Does God Exist?

Figure out what facts I'm talking about. If you ever figure it out, you might understand what we're trying to discuss.

Is there a point here?

I don't think science has reached a place where it can PROVE that spirituality either exists or not.

By spirituality I mean consciousness and its ability to exist beyond life and its tether to the human form.

In fact, with science's "dark energy" and matter, this is a plausibility that spirituality can exist. Scientists also now believe in dimensions and spirituality would be a vehicle for inter-dimensional consciousness.

Does this mean religion is true?

HELL NO! Humans have historically been wrong about MANY things.

Humans once believed that germs spontaneously generated out of the ether. They for the most part did not believe germs could replicate but simply appeared out of thin air.

Due to this medical ERROR infection was spread liberally without thought.

In fact, surgeons who wore the dirtiest apron were considered the finest and most experienced.

In other words, people did not respect a clean doctor but looked for the dirtiest doctor to aid them.

It is now known that even the tiniest bit of bacteria can take a perfectly good surgical procedure and turn it awry.

The only "revelation" we as humans have is by observing the natural world. All religion has been speculated while often ignoring the natural world.

Just because religion uses imagination does not negate some of its finer points.

Religions does dare to speculate beyond where no human has gone before.

Just because there is speculation does not verify the validity of such speculation.

Speculation without evidence is merely that, speculation.

Speculation has to have evidence to be weighed as more than what is scientifically derived through careful observation.

Speculation cannot reliably compare to scientific data in that scientific is data usually is evidence of a real phenomenon where spiritual speculation has no more reliability then say, telepathy i.e. mind reading, ESP etc...

Guess what card I am thinking of?...

I bet most people will be equally as wrong as they are right. It is a mathematical certainty that people are just guessing.

Until this conundrum is fixed, spirituality will rank up there with placebos, hookie pooks, faith healing and magic beans.

Does spiritual energy exist?

It has Rex. It has no choice when the chips are down. Spirituality does not exist in science. Which, of course, means that it doesn't exist at all for science.

Such a thing allows for immaterial entities and that will never do.

It depends on what you mean by 'spirituality.'



There is no question about the 'quality' of being spiritual. It's proven by all the religions of the world where their adherents have complete faith in their god(s).
Going to any church, temple or synagogue where adherents are present proves that their faith is full-fledged with their heart and 'soul.'

That does not address the question Rex raised ci. It's foam from the mouth.

Science asserts that the "adherents" you mention are either deluded or playing a crafty game.

I have understood that you think they are deluded because if they are only playing a game all your silly arguments look even sillier.

And it is a belief that you think they are deluded.

In fact, ci., there are some who think that actions carried out in public places are all performance art. Tittering drunks in the gutter excluded.

In fact, ci., there are some who think that actions carried out in public places are all performance art. Tittering drunks in the gutter excluded.

What are you trying to say, spendi? You're not making any sense.

One cannot defined spirituality without a proper definition of what spirit is.

"Spiritual" is in the eye of the believer.

I have zero expectation of making sense to you my dear.

According to most religion, "the spirit is a seed".

It is another form of racism...

The family and/or household is founded by a theoretical God and his commandments.

The seed separates humans from the natural world and those who have not received this seed (through knowledge/gnosis)....

Thus, spirituality is another form of racism. An unprovable linage (as DNA) that the believers says is proven by their "manifestations" of this spirit from their "Father" in heaven...

Thus they can snub their nose and look down on people, animals, plants, the earth, the sun and all else whom they believe do not possess this spirit...

Religion and its spirituality, as the pious define it, do not unify people but they divide them...

The idea that we ALL share the SAME spirituality with ALL life I am MUCH more inclined to accept and/or believe...

Nepal Readies First-Ever Witchcraft Act to Protect Women
http://wildhunt.org/2014/06/nepal-readies-first-ever-witchcraft-act-to-protect-women.html

Demons are "spiritual parasites" that seek to get inside a person's skull and bend his/her will to their own, they're invisible but we know somebody is hosting one because we can hear it speaking through their victims mouth who they use as a ventriloquist's dummy to spout anti-christian propaganda and satanic beliefs, and attack christians, there's your PROOF of spiritual entitiies!
Just look around any internet forum including this one to hear them at work..

Ripley had an alien inside which her showed up on x-rays, but demons don't show up-

Net article-

"IS RICHARD DAWKINS SATAN POSSESSED?
Satan, no doubt, is using Richard Dawkins and other atheists such as Hitchens, Harris and Pullman..
He, most probably, simply inspires them to create works that serve to confuse weak souls..
Influential figures such as Dawkins are, without any doubt, tools in Satan’s hands. They are moved by “the Prince of the Power of the air, the spirit that now works in the sons of disobedience.” (Ephesians 2:2).
..Atheist leaders are saturated with Satan’s mind. They are proud and arrogant; they are filled with a superior spirit and look down upon others who don’t agree with them with disdain. They are forceful and offensive."

http://atheismexposed.tripod.com/dawkins_satan_possessed.htm

I admire Richard Dawkins and his friends. After years of religious dogma and idiocy I had to get out of religion.

As for the demons charge, this is being leveled at Richard and other atheists by people who believe the universe is 6000 years old... So who really has been tainted in the mind by demonic influence?

The 6,000 year old earth is one of the major weaknesses of the bible. The other is the world flood that never occurred. Contained in the bible are too many errors, omissions, and contradictions. How any 'sane' person can reconcile all those 'mistakes' and continue to give their heart and soul to a 2000 year old book is a huge mistake. How can any one book preach, "thou shalt not kill/murder," than direct its adherents to kill their own family members because they do not believe in their Jesus? He's supposed to be a "savior," not a tyrant. Also, I've not seen any christian follow the bible to stone them to death. They've already sinned, and will all go to hell with the rest of us for not following his command!