anonymously99
 
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Reply Sat 26 Apr, 2014 09:08 pm
@cicerone imposter,
I don't find that what you said makes sense. You negative individual.

Stupid you say I am. Why. Because I believe there is a God/Creator, Jesus Christ and so forth..

You're entitled to your own beliefs as everyone else.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sat 26 Apr, 2014 09:13 pm
@anonymously99,
I don't care one iota whether you believe in any god, but that's not any license to attack me for my beliefs.

The majority of the humans species believes in one god or more. Why should I care?
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anonymously99
 
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Reply Sat 26 Apr, 2014 09:13 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Please ci. I insist. Continue to attack me.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sat 26 Apr, 2014 09:13 pm
@anonymously99,
Okay, you're too sensitive for your own good, and quit attacking people you don't know. You'll get more in return.
anonymously99
 
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Reply Sat 26 Apr, 2014 09:16 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Who did I attack?

Why do I feel you're flirting with me?? Shocked

You do understand I am a man right.

RexRed
 
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Reply Sun 27 Apr, 2014 02:44 am
@anonymously99,
anonymously99 wrote:

Who did I attack?

Why do I feel you're flirting with me?? Shocked

You do understand I am a man right.




If you want to flirt go do it on a gay porn site, or start your own a2k topic on gay relationships this is a topic for a serious discussion on God.

PLEASE respect that...

It does not really matter what sex you are in this discussion.

Your ideas on God are welcome here please try and stick to the topic.

Please stop trolling people for sex here in my threads.

Start your own tread or go find a sex site to get your rocks off.

You are welcome here if you can keep on topic.
Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Sun 27 Apr, 2014 03:07 am
@RexRed,
Hey Rex. Just heading to work...thought I'd say "Hi."

Course is gonna be loaded today...expecting a great day in New Jersey.

Sure wish I could figure out if the REALITY is that there is a GOD involved in all that I seem to be experiencing or not.

Can't figure any way I can know...unless there is a GOD and it is a personal GOD...and IT decides to let me know IT exists.

Don't think that is gonna happen.

I suspect all humans will ever be able to do on this issue is to make guesses...in either direction.

Good luck with keeping control of the thread.
RexRed
 
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Reply Sun 27 Apr, 2014 03:30 am
@Frank Apisa,
Have a great day Frank, I got tough old snake skin thanks to my good buddies Smile

Life is a learning experience and if it all leads to a realization of God well it eludes me and even those greater than me.

It would be nice if there was a God but playing pool, throwing dice and dealing cards aren't cutting if for me. Smile



A video I though might fit here...

Christopher Hitchins was such a great speaker... I miss him...
RexRed
 
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Reply Sun 27 Apr, 2014 07:08 am
@RexRed,
I just watched this video I posted, I posted it before I viewed it because I knew Christopher Hitchens is always a good show.

Frank Turek made some completely erroneous assumptions.

He has earnestly attempted to dumb down the physical world so he can inflate his imaginary God.

How does he know the earth is in itself not capable of evolution all on its own (with the aid of the sun)?

He wants to promote his own Christian deity while robbing the living universe of any power. This is also a sign of religious arrogance.

He says almost like a mantra, like he has spread this idea all over college campuses of "how dumb chemicals are"...

How does he know chemicals are dumb? How does he know the sun is not a living breathing entity? Did the Bible tell him this or is this a hunch?

He insults the sun, earth, chemicals, the big bang, the innate morality of humans, and any other religion that does not conform to his so he can exalt his God and thus deceptively push his brand of morality on the world.

Are chemicals 'smart'?

Yes...

How so? Well it has to do with justice. What is the rudiment of justice?

The answer is 'weight'... Do chemicals and elements have weight? They certainly do. Do ethical matters have weight? They do also.

The same way the human heart, both sides of the brain, weigh and perceive morality, chemicals weigh and create life as a result of their owe interactions .

All because of gravity, like the scales of Libra that long predate Christ and Christianity, they have played an evolutionary part in human development. Chemical are in a realm and gravity is their scale of physical matter. Scales would not work without gravity.

Elements and chemicals have weight and long before humans, chemicals were making judgments and out of those judgments, suns, earths and humans were over time, the product of the "morality of chemical processes".

Gravity and weight had less effect on the lighter elements and consolidated the heavier particles 'til they coalesced into what theologians then usurped and called heaven and earth.

No God was needed to form these particles into planets and stars, only gravity. Gravity was also able to align DNA up using magnetism and selective survival.

Do atheists have morality? All life and matter has the potential for morality because we are made of chemicals and these chemicals pass on their unique ability to weigh matter and detect if one matter is heavier than another. Our brains are also made of these very chemicals.

The problem comes when one tips the scale by adding God to one side of scale. This then creates an unfair advantage and imbalance where sin can masquerade as morality with divine endorsement. This travesty is not only present in Islam but also equally present in Christianity and any other religions that try to dictate human behavior through a fearful and vengeful God.

So it is the addition of God that creates a false judgment and leads to erroneous conclusions. Religion impedes true judgment.

Also Frank Turek (not to be confused with Aspia) asked Christopher Hitchens how he knows his morality is right? I suppose Frank Turek assumes his morality is right, 'because he read it in the Bible'.

The answer is, society. There are many kinds of societies. Chemicals and elements are a society unto themselves. So are bacteria and other lesser forms of life also societies. As the human society we have our own social consensus and for a couple hundred years our society has been built upon secular principles. Each society uses weights and nature to evolve in morality.

This is why our laws have evolved away from crude biblical "morality" that was bred by the religion of antiquities .

Our earth evolved out of the morality of the sun and the elements. We are stardust and this is why we have morality not because of a religion. Our morality is still evolving.

Religions are more likely to de-evolve morality rather than improve on it. Just look at the militant Tea Party's brand of religion, radical Islam and some sects of Judaism and my point and case are made.

This is because religions impose weights where there is no justifiable weight and remove rights on command of their master deity where rights are inalienable and need no justification. As with the story of the kind Samaritan the priests overvalued traditions and used that justification to bypass the inalienable virtue of human kindness.

Religion destroys morality and it is the 'social consensus' of those who are not tainted by this religion that are able to see justice and morality as it truly is.

If you want know morality do not ask a religious person, ask one who does not add religion to the scale to weigh and judge the matters of the heart.
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RexRed
 
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Reply Sun 27 Apr, 2014 07:54 am
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FBM
 
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Reply Sun 27 Apr, 2014 08:27 am
If you have to ask whether or not something exists, and if the vast majority of scientists say that it almost certainly doesn't, then it almost certainly doesn't. It could be the Easter Bunny, the Piltdown Man, ET, or any of the thousands of gods that people have imagined. So cut the crap. If it's in front of your eyes or a necessary inference based on emporical data, then give it some credibility. If it only exists between people's ears, flag that **** down. We're trying to evolve here. Stop holding us back.
Romeo Fabulini
 
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Reply Sun 27 Apr, 2014 08:53 am
Quote:
Richard Dawkins quote posted by RexRed:- "I cannot know for certain, but I think God is very improbable"- Richard Dawkins

In other words Dawks is admitting he's just making a blind guess!
Christians would ask him- "but if there's no God, who do you think made life and the universe, or did it just decide to make itself?"..Smile
Romeo Fabulini
 
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Reply Sun 27 Apr, 2014 08:56 am
Quote:
Cicerone said: Over 80% of the world population lives in poverty.

God's not to blame for that, it's human stupidity that's to blame because of overpopulation leading to famine and stuff..Smile
RexRed
 
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Reply Sun 27 Apr, 2014 09:12 am
@Romeo Fabulini,
Romeo Fabulini wrote:

Quote:
Richard Dawkins quote posted by RexRed:- "I cannot know for certain, but I think God is very improbable"- Richard Dawkins

In other words Dawks is admitting he's just making a blind guess!
Christians would ask him- "but if there's no God, who do you think made life and the universe, or did it just decide to make itself?"..Smile


I believe Richard would say in true humility, he was not so sure, and then ask what makes you so sure there is a God? Where is your proof?

********

Who is more humble, the scientist who looks at the universe with an open mind and accepts whatever the universe has to teach us, or somebody who says everything in this book must be considered the literal truth and never mind the fallibility of all the human beings involved?

Carl Sagan (via inutileune)
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Romeo Fabulini
 
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Reply Sun 27 Apr, 2014 09:20 am
I tried being an atheist in my younger days but it didn't last long because I felt so stupid because it'd have meant discounting all the eyewitness testimony of thousands of people who'd had close encounters with offworld beings over many centuries.
Jesus said "You are from below; I am from above. You are of this world; I am not of this world" (John 8:23)
so why shouldn't we believe him?
RexRed
 
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Reply Sun 27 Apr, 2014 09:25 am
@Romeo Fabulini,
Romeo Fabulini wrote:

Quote:
Cicerone said: Over 80% of the world population lives in poverty.

God's not to blame for that, it's human stupidity that's to blame because of overpopulation leading to famine and stuff..Smile

God is credited when someone in the hospital gets well while doctors and their part are often overlooked by Christians....

God either has power or not.

If someone dies well Christians say, "their faith was too weak..." how insulting and hateful to pin that on someone who has already faced misfortune.

And a message to Christians diabetics, why do you need insulin, why not just believe God will heal you?

I am not advocating for you to stop your insulin or you will get very sick... I don't care how much you love Jesus.

Diabetes is a tough one for God to heal... (cynical)
RexRed
 
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Reply Sun 27 Apr, 2014 09:34 am
@FBM,
Nicely articulated FBM Smile
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sun 27 Apr, 2014 09:37 am
@RexRed,
Research at Stanford has shown that prayer does not work when prayers are said by second or third parties - families or friends. It works when the individual believes in the power of prayer, because the mind can influence results.
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RexRed
 
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Reply Sun 27 Apr, 2014 09:37 am
@Romeo Fabulini,
Romeo Fabulini wrote:

I tried being an atheist in my younger days but it didn't last long because I felt so stupid because it'd have meant discounting all the eyewitness testimony of thousands of people who'd had close encounters with offworld beings over many centuries.
Jesus said "You are from below; I am from above. You are of this world; I am not of this world" (John 8:23)
so why shouldn't we believe him?



Why shouldn't' you believe Zeus? Hercules did many 'miracles' too and so did many other Gods and demigods of the Greek pantheon...

Were the Greeks liars? What of the underworld?

Zeus was from above too... Zeus was not of this world...

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Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Sun 27 Apr, 2014 11:58 am
@FBM,
FBM wrote:

If you have to ask whether or not something exists, and if the vast majority of scientists say that it almost certainly doesn't, then it almost certainly doesn't.


I won't even question your statistics (although they probably should be), but I will ask:

Are you saying that a vast majority of scientists say that REALITY contains no gods...or that a vast majority of scientists think the God of Abraham does not exist?

If the latter...so what?

If the former...you gotta be kiddin'.





Quote:
It could be the Easter Bunny, the Piltdown Man, ET, or any of the thousands of gods that people have imagined. So cut the crap.


The "crap" should be cut from both sides of this issue, FBM. Saying there has to be a GOD...is illogical. Saying there cannot possibly be a GOD...is every bit as illogical.



Quote:
If it's in front of your eyes or a necessary inference based on emporical data, then give it some credibility. If it only exists between people's ears, flag that **** down. We're trying to evolve here. Stop holding us back.


On the question of whether or not there are gods involved in the true nature of REALITY...you seem to scorn blind guesses that do not comport with your blind guesses.

Why?
 

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