Does God Exist?

@neologist,

neologist wrote:

It's all about our approach to reality, Frank.

I think it is a great deal more than that, Neo.

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@Romeo Fabulini,

Romeo Fabulini wrote:

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Neologist said: Romeo, you worship Saturn on Dec 25 and Astarte at Easter time..

Funny, I could have sworn that Christmas was all about celebrating Jesus's birth, and Easter was about celebrating his brave self-sacrifice on the cross?
Or don't you Jehovah's Witness think that was worth celebrating?

I, for one, do not even understand why any sane person would consider the "sacrifice" of Jesus on the Cross to be anything less than absurd.

Essentially, what is being said is that the god of the Bible is telling the world that he would be willing to forgive them for their sins (in other words, he would be willing to forgive them for doing things that offend him)...but in order for him to do that, they must first torture and kill his son!

What does it take for you people to finally see that god for the comic book character it is?

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@Frank Apisa,

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I, for one, do not even understand why any sane person would consider the "sacrifice" of Jesus on the Cross to be anything less than absurd.

Apisa should consider Eddie Snowden's case and, in fact, all stories in which the hero dies a premature and usually grisly death.

The fact that we avoid the grisly death these days has nothing to do with our need to find victims to persecute and especially when they provide a good excuse.

They crucified people in those days at the drop of a hand. The two thieves had probably not stolen much.

The difference in the quantity of wrong-doing by an individual and that of a state is so great that there is a difference of quality requiring separate names.

Why does Apisa insist we are all stupid. In post after post.

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@Romeo Fabulini,

Romeo Fabulini wrote:

We DESTROYED the godless pagan festivals by overwriting them and turning them into celebrations of Jesus..
Same with Christian churches, many are built on ancient pagan worship sites, symbolically STOMPING them into the ground..
The Christian celebrations of Christmas and Easter are therefore not only celebrations of Jesus, but ALSO celebrations of the steamrolling of paganism under the awesome unstoppable power of Christianity..

You finally have defined yourself, Romeo.

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2 Corinthians 6:14-18
New International Version (NIV)
Warning Against Idolatry
14 Do not be yoked together with unbelievers. For what do righteousness and wickedness have in common? Or what fellowship can light have with darkness? 15 What harmony is there between Christ and Belial? Or what does a believer have in common with an unbeliever? 16 What agreement is there between the temple of God and idols? For we are the temple of the living God. As God has said:
“I will live with them
and walk among them,
and I will be their God,
and they will be my people.”
17 Therefore,
“Come out from them
and be separate,
says the Lord.
Touch no unclean thing,
and I will receive you.”

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@RexRed,

RexRed wrote:

Which God did educate Adam and Eve?

Why do you ask?

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@spendius,

spendius at Calamity, RE Romeo wrote:

What's the problem Cal with addressing us as if we are adults?

Have you never heard of the historical pseudomorphosis?

Romeo has been having trouble with the basics, spendi.

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Frank Apisa said: I, for one, do not even understand why any sane person would consider the "sacrifice" of Jesus on the Cross to be anything less than absurd.

Look at it from different angles mate. For example a golfer stuck in a sandtrap might take swing after swing in the old usual style and still not be able to get the ball out, but then improvises and tries a few different strokes and at last gets it out.
Likewise, if Jesus's death on the cross makes no sense to some people they could try speculating that the "spiritual pollution" of the earth caused by centuries of bad heathen mindsets had built up to such a level that Jesus had to be sent as a "lightning conductor" to soak it all up and give humanity a clean slate and a fresh start.. Smile

http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g64/PoorOldSpike/jesus_cross_zpsc8e0e879.jpg~original

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@Romeo Fabulini,

Romeo Fabulini wrote:

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Frank Apisa said: I, for one, do not even understand why any sane person would consider the "sacrifice" of Jesus on the Cross to be anything less than absurd.

Look at it from different angles mate. For example a golfer stuck in a sandtrap might take swing after swing in the old usual style and still not be able to get the ball out, but then improvises and tries a few different strokes and at last gets it out.
Likewise, if Jesus's death on the cross makes no sense to some people they could try speculating that the "spiritual pollution" of the earth caused by centuries of bad heathen mindsets had built up to such a level that Jesus had to be sent as a "lightning conductor" to soak it all up and give humanity a clean slate and a fresh start..

Sounds great to me, Romeo. In fact that is what I said.

Your god was, in effect, saying: "Almost everything you humans do offends me, but I will forgive you for offending me...

...IF you first torture and kill my son."

What a gem!

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@Frank Apisa,

It was not God who demanded that Jesus be the one offered in sacrifice. You should be grateful he was willing to endure it.

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@neologist,

neologist wrote:

It was not God who demanded that Jesus be the one offered in sacrifice. You should be grateful he was willing to endure it.

Obviously Jesus thought it was necessary...and most Christians of today think it was necessary...so what are you getting at.

Was the sacrifice necessary?

Why couldn't the god simply forgive the people for offending him?

And if was not necessary...why make such a big deal out of it being done?

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@neologist,

Yup. God, why has thou forsaken me?

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@Frank Apisa,

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What a gem!

What a gem Apisa is eh? He actually thinks we don't notice the complete absence of any alternative to the gospels and without them there would, of necessity, be an alternative.

That's nothing less than absurd. It's essence of absurdity.

Does anybody think Apisa would be as cosily fixed as he is with any alternative that might reasonably be postulated?

But it is his duty to postulate one instead of talking through his dick all the time. A continuation of unlovely Paganism is his best bet. And with his admitted asset base I fancy he would be in the stone quarries with hopes of reaching 30.

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Cicerone said: Yup. God, why has thou forsaken me?

A dying man will often cry out to God for comfort; for example stretcher-bearers sent out to collect dead bodies in no mans land in WW1 often found that wounded men had crawled into shell craters and died clutching their Bibles.

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For God so loved the world that He gave his only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. John 3:16

For god did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved. John 3:17

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As they approached Jerusalem, Jesus told his mates- "They're going to kill me in there" (Matt 20:18), but he still CHOSE to go in..

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@Romeo Fabulini,

Romeo Fabulini wrote:

As they approached Jerusalem, Jesus told his mates- "They're going to kill me in there" (Matt 20:18), but he still CHOSE to go in..

Correct, Romeo!

Jesus thought it would please his father, the god, if he saw Jesus tortured and killed...and that his father would then do what he would not do if the torture and killing did not happen.

The god would "forgive" the humans for offending him.

Surely a god worthy of worship!

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@Frank Apisa,

If you were relaxing on a park bench in the sunshine and you saw a toddler run onto a busy main road you'd shout to your grown-up son near the road "Quick grab him!", and your son would run out into the traffic to rescue the kid, perhaps getting himself killed in the process.
Same with Jesus, God saw the human race on course for going up the spout so he HAD to send Jesus to rescue us.. Smile

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@Romeo Fabulini,

Romeo Fabulini wrote:

If you were relaxing on a park bench in the sunshine and you saw a toddler run onto a busy main road you'd shout to your grown-up son near the road "Quick grab him!", and your son would run out into the traffic to rescue the kid, perhaps getting himself killed in the process.
Same with Jesus, God saw the human race on course for going up the spout so he HAD to send Jesus to rescue us..

Right...because he thought being tortured and killed would cause his "father" to ease off humans a bit.

Thank you for agreeing with me.

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@Romeo Fabulini,

Apisa's addressing a junior school class Romeo.

You want to get that firmly fixed in you're head.

You're supposed to go "oooooh! aaaaah, fancy that, whodathowtit? a new prophet has arisen to set 2,000 years of cultural development, and counting, straight, about how idiotic is has all been, from an armchair in a flat-ribbed, little box (see the beacon light of American music), in New Joisey.

The respectability of the un-chaste female being at stake despite that not being the case in any culture we know of. That's his beef.

Even aboriginal tribes go to great lengths to protect the respectability of chaste females. Such lengths, indeed, that Malinowsky couldn't make head or tail of the rituals after a study of them.

It's obvious that Apisa's a fool because if he doesn't believe God doesn't exist he allows that God might exist and, as Pascal famously explained, one might as well take precautions when an eternity yawns forth. Just in case.

Refusing to be an atheist, he ought really to go all the way at those odds. And think how his lifestyle makes his stake tiny what with being devout being so easy where he is. Even less if there's some political fixing afoot as a bonus. And a well-appointed club to socialise in where the subject obsessing Apisa is never mentioned.

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Spendius said: Apisa's addressing a junior school class Romeo.
You want to get that firmly fixed in you're head

I've always had him down as a dancer going round and round the maypole like some others at A2K!
Nothing wrong with that of course, hell I even join in myself sometimes to prod them along and keep them dancing.. Wink

http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g64/PoorOldSpike/maypole_dance_zps54dad585.jpg~original

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