RexRed
 
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Reply Sat 30 Nov, 2013 03:08 pm
@neologist,
neologist wrote:

RexRed wrote:
I think if there is such as a thing as divinity how should one behave?

Condescending or edifying?
neologist wrote:
Obediently
RexRed wrote:
On your knees to what?
Do you get on your knees to obey traffic laws, Rex? How do you steer?


I have reindeer who help me steer...
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Frank Apisa
 
  1  
Reply Sat 30 Nov, 2013 03:12 pm
@neologist,
neologist wrote:

Frank Apisa wrote:
The god sure manages to disguise all that!
Well, here's why, Frank:
At that time Jesus said in response: “I publicly praise you, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because you have hidden these things from the wise and intellectual ones and have revealed them to babes." (Matthew 11:25)



Are you actually saying that the Bible tells us that when the god unfairly punished Adam and Eve...Jesus was there defending the barbaric move?

I hope not.
neologist
 
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Reply Sat 30 Nov, 2013 03:31 pm
@Frank Apisa,
Can't convince you, Frank.
You're just too intellectual, I guess
spendius
 
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Reply Sat 30 Nov, 2013 04:03 pm
@neologist,
Apisa can't afford the Church to be right neo.
neologist
 
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Reply Sat 30 Nov, 2013 04:27 pm
@spendius,
spendius wrote:
Apisa can't afford the Church to be right neo.
The church didn't teach him the truth, either. He has post catholic stress disorder.

And I feel his pain
Frank Apisa
 
  1  
Reply Sun 1 Dec, 2013 06:50 am
@neologist,
neologist wrote:

Can't convince you, Frank.
You're just too intellectual, I guess


Everyone can read the story, Neo. It is about a couple who were DENIED the knowledge of good and evil.

The point of the story is that they did NOT KNOW...but you keep saying they should have known.

The only reason you do that is to keep intact the idea that the god is loving and just.

The story is a joke.



Frank Apisa
 
  1  
Reply Sun 1 Dec, 2013 06:51 am
@neologist,
neologist wrote:

spendius wrote:
Apisa can't afford the Church to be right neo.
The church didn't teach him the truth, either. He has post catholic stress disorder.

And I feel his pain


Do you really want to start down this road, Neo?
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spendius
 
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Reply Sun 1 Dec, 2013 09:56 am
@Frank Apisa,
It means, on one level, that they should not have been disobedient and that their fate will befall all those who also are down to the tenth generation.

Which is an appropriate beginning to a book concerning the revelation of God's will which we all know you reject for a very banal reason already mentioned.

A bit like the rise and fall of the Roman Empire due to the very success of the discipline in the rise causing the centre to rot with the indiscipline of self-indulgence which the success afforded.

Just so--the self-discipline of Christian morality is intimately associated with the rise of western culture and the rejection of it, all too easy to encourage, is associated with its decline which began around 1800 and is accelerating due to its obvious attractions to any sensible materialist's carnalities. (see ads on TV--the sworn enemy of discipline and budget surplus.)

Termites in the structures. Boring away, and then some.

spendius
 
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Reply Sun 1 Dec, 2013 10:05 am
@spendius,
And to avoid the abject shame of such a role all one has to do is keep one's eyes on the ground and repress all that is contrary to a termite's interests and to keep insisting that the beginning of the most famous book the world has ever seen, or will ever see, is a joke. Which, of course, it has to be in order to complete the circle of the dreary, mouse-hole logic it is propping up.
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neologist
 
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Reply Sun 1 Dec, 2013 12:02 pm
@Frank Apisa,
Frank Apisa wrote:
Everyone can read the story, Neo. It is about a couple who were DENIED the knowledge of good and evil.

The point of the story is that they did NOT KNOW...but you keep saying they should have known.

The only reason you do that is to keep intact the idea that the god is loving and just.

The story is a joke.
I hate to use the bandwagon approach, Frank; but many disagree with you, contending the fruit represented Adam and Eve's rejection of God's implanted standards in favor of choosing their own.

The validity of this approach is apparent in the answer to this question: According to the account, if Adam and Eve had not eaten the fruit, would they have died? And, by extension, would we die?

Also, BTW, I thought the expression 'post catholic stress disorder' was clever.
Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Sun 1 Dec, 2013 04:35 pm
@neologist,
neologist wrote:

Frank Apisa wrote:
Everyone can read the story, Neo. It is about a couple who were DENIED the knowledge of good and evil.

The point of the story is that they did NOT KNOW...but you keep saying they should have known.

The only reason you do that is to keep intact the idea that the god is loving and just.

The story is a joke.
I hate to use the bandwagon approach, Frank; but many disagree with you, contending the fruit represented Adam and Eve's rejection of God's implanted standards in favor of choosing their own.

The validity of this approach is apparent in the answer to this question: According to the account, if Adam and Eve had not eaten the fruit, would they have died? And, by extension, would we die?

Also, BTW, I thought the expression 'post catholic stress disorder' was clever.


Many will use the approach you advocate, Neo...because they do not want to upset this god. As I mentioned, the god is nobody to screw with.

But no matter how many people are frightened into the interpretation you favor, the bottom line is that THE STORY tells us that neither Adam nor Eve knew the difference between right and wrong.

There was no way for either of them to make a reasonable, informed decision on this. For them, obeying and disobeying were the same...neither right nor wrong.

But I understand why that is so difficult to acknowledge. I guess if I thought a god like that existed, I would prevaricate the way good, decent folk are doing!
neologist
 
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Reply Sun 1 Dec, 2013 07:40 pm
@Frank Apisa,
You did not address this question:
I wrote:
The validity of this approach is apparent in the answer to this question: According to the account, if Adam and Eve had not eaten the fruit, would they have died? And, by extension, would we die?
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sun 1 Dec, 2013 08:39 pm
@neologist,
No. The reason is that sex - with inborn inherent desires produces babies. With the expansion of humanity, death had to be part of the equation.

No fruit, no babies, but life for eternity - all by their lonesome.

Why did jesus have to be sacrificed? More babies than this planet can handle.
neologist
 
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Reply Sun 1 Dec, 2013 09:20 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Why say that? They were told to fill the earth. Suppose you told a waiter to fill your coffee cup; would you expect him to continue pouring until the table, the floor, was inundated?

cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sun 1 Dec, 2013 10:05 pm
@neologist,
Some coffee drinkers, like alcoholics, may demand they keep pouring the coffee, but we're talking about sex and birth. Most humans *(and animals) are programmed with sexual desires. It ain't coffee by any stretch of anyone's imagination - except, maybe, yours.
neologist
 
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Reply Sun 1 Dec, 2013 10:51 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Do you think a God capable of creating the whole thing to be incapable of zapping birth control as needed?
spendius
 
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Reply Mon 2 Dec, 2013 05:08 am
@neologist,
It is a possibility that that is the case. Temperature, acidity and peristaltic contractions.
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Frank Apisa
 
  1  
Reply Mon 2 Dec, 2013 06:13 am
@neologist,
neologist wrote:

You did not address this question:
I wrote:
The validity of this approach is apparent in the answer to this question: According to the account, if Adam and Eve had not eaten the fruit, would they have died? And, by extension, would we die?



In other words, you are asking, "If Adam and Eve had not done wrong...?"

C'mon, Neo, I have addressed that dozens of times...and you know that.

According to the story, they did not know there was anything wrong with disobeying. "Disobeying" and "obeying" were the same to them.

In any case, they were not destined for eternal life yet. The story tells us that they had not yet eaten from the tree of eternal life! If they had eaten from that tree first...maybe they would not have died anyway.

Sorry I have to say this again, but: The story is an abomination...obviously invented by someone who really did not think the thing through very carefully (kind of a "Earth on the back of a turtle" sorta thing.)

Only someone who feels their god would punish them just as severely and arbitrarily if they see the story as the garbage it is...would put any credence in it at all.
spendius
 
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Reply Mon 2 Dec, 2013 07:07 am
@Frank Apisa,
So if we assume it is garbage (MYOEP) what conclusions do we draw and where do they take us?

Continually reiterating, and apologising for doing so, that the story is garbage is not unlike a speak-your-weight machine which is programmed to deduct 3 stone so as not to upset the subject.
spendius
 
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Reply Mon 2 Dec, 2013 07:15 am
@spendius,
Quote:
Biblical studies is the academic application of a set of diverse disciplines to the study of the Jewish and Christian scriptures, the Bible. For its theory and methods, the field draws on disciplines ranging from archaeology, literary criticism, history, philology, and social sciences.

Many secular as well as religious universities and colleges offer courses in biblical studies, usually in departments of religious studies, theology, Judaic studies, history, or comparative literature. Biblical scholars do not necessarily have a faith commitment to the texts they study, but many do.


All that should obviously be disbanded if the first pages of the Bible are garbage.
 

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