Herald
 
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Reply Sat 17 Aug, 2013 02:37 am
@RexRed,
Quote:
You can see no apparent and obvious purpose in your life? That is sad ...

How did you come to know this? You know exactly how I think and how I use rhetorics in a discussion. Words fail me.
BTW this is called logical fallacy of class 'argument from omniscience'.
When some people trust their destiny in the hands of the Big Bang ... the logical fallacies are also not too far away.
RexRed
 
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Reply Sat 17 Aug, 2013 02:46 am
@Herald,
Herald wrote:
How did you come to know this? You know exactly how I think and how I use rhetorics in a discussion. Words fail me.

How do I know? God told me...
Herald
 
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Reply Sat 17 Aug, 2013 03:41 am
@RexRed,
Quote:
How do I know? God told me ...

Weren't you a sworn atheist, or s.th. Or maybe you has convereted into jelous theist ... as a result of the discussion. Yet, you didn't answer the other questions.
BTW the subject of the statement 'without any purpose' may not only be individual. It may be a group of people, for example, a TV station, a whole country ... even whole species on a whole planet. How did you decide that in my comment 'we' means 'me'?
Do you know that right here, on this planet, right now, in 2013, there is a country in the world that has an annual economic growth of 9% ... and will lose as usual only in this year 3600 sq.km of grassland into desert?
On one hand you have economic growth of 9%, and on the other you have deforestation, desertification of the land, ongoing global warming, droughts and floods, depletion of the natural water resources, 30% of the tee crops dried, local greenhouse effect by increase of the CO2 on the surface ... collapse of basic relations in bionomics.
Does it worth it?
Do you think that this is an economic activity with a purpose?
Most of the world nowadays looks exactly like this.
RexRed
 
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Reply Sat 17 Aug, 2013 12:48 pm
@Herald,
I am not an atheist, I am not a theist, I am a skeptic of all religion... Yet I do trust science over the fanatical ramblings of popes, rabbi's and imams...

And you have Egypt, Syria and Yemen were people are killing each other in the streets by the thousands... All over a stupid book of lies.

Before you point a finger at others realize you have three fingers pointing back at yourself.

Also, I am not part of the oligarchy of America... I have voted for green energy as far back as when I voted for Al Gore... I was a republican and still voted for Gore...

And in Saudi Arabia the Arabs turned natural arid lands into oil fields and tar sands... Who do you think you are fooling? And do you think the CO2 in Dubai and other growing industrialized Arab cities are any less toxic?

United Arab Emirates - CO2 emissions
http://www.indexmundi.com/facts/united-arab-emirates/co2-emissions

I am not pointing a finger at you either.. I am just saying, we all need to change...
RexRed
 
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Reply Sat 17 Aug, 2013 12:54 pm
https://sphotos-a-lga.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn2/1185849_561917557199120_1203681743_n.jpg
Herald
 
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Reply Sat 17 Aug, 2013 01:39 pm
@RexRed,
The oligarchy is not 'of America' - it is global mafia ... from long ago.
I am not fooling anybody & BTW I was not talking about Saudi Arabia, but rather about the Gobi desert. Anyway.
This CO2 is not a joke, yet it is interesting to know how did the Big Bang guess about the ingenious way to reduce the carbon from the air and to send it under the ground (by designing huge prehistoric animals & huge prehistoric plants and maintaining balance that reduces the CO2 for millions of years on end).
I do not engage to comment what was the idea of digging the carbon back out of the ground (in the form of fossil fuels) and sending it back into the atmosphere. The more carbon we have in the air, the more dead the planet will be.
Herald
 
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Reply Sat 17 Aug, 2013 01:45 pm
@RexRed,
I don't care about the religion, but without intelligence & intelligent design tools & guarantees for the preservation of the information the Big Bang would not be able to do 90% of the things that are attached to it.
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spendius
 
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Reply Sat 17 Aug, 2013 01:49 pm
@Herald,
Quote:
The more carbon we have in the air, the more dead the planet will be.


Do you think people should bear that in mind when they start the car up?

If they do will they turn it off?
neologist
 
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Reply Sat 17 Aug, 2013 02:07 pm
I may have asked this before; I don't recall an answer:
What is s.th?
Moment-in-Time
 
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Reply Sat 17 Aug, 2013 02:08 pm
@RexRed,
Quote:
I voted for Al Gore... I was a republican and still voted for Gore...


Hi, RexRed. I've enjoyed reading your post which is a model of intelligence, sophistication, and sanity. ..... one aspect is somewhat complex. Why would such an obviously intelligent individual as you become a Republican and are you still a member of the GOP. If you find my questions too intrusive, I do apologize and do not expect an answer. Thanks.
timur
 
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Reply Sat 17 Aug, 2013 02:08 pm
@neologist,
God should have told you something..
spendius
 
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Reply Sat 17 Aug, 2013 03:00 pm
@Moment-in-Time,
Quote:
Hi, RexRed. I've enjoyed reading your post which is a model of intelligence, sophistication, and sanity.


That's because it appeals to simple minds and the answer to it is far too complex to be explained to them.

Let's just say that it's a typical example of the statements given out by those who think they have found a new way to run our culture and are impervious to views opposing them. Such things never stand still long enough for any critical analysis.
RexRed
 
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Reply Sat 17 Aug, 2013 04:07 pm
@Moment-in-Time,
Hey Moment, I became a democrat shortly after Obama was elected. Sadly I did not support him in the first election which I today thoroughly regret... The republicans used mass money and propaganda to paint Obama out as a Chicago mob boss. It took seeing the republicans campaigning in my state with the catholic church pedophiles against gay marriage to sway way my opinion at first. With Obama getting into office and seeing the actual changes he readily implemented further convinced me that the republican party and their tea party cohorts were way far off base. I first left the republican party and joined the green party but I now see the green libertarian party as stooges for the rich also. The green libertarians have no backbone other than their own greedy wallets... I really admire and respect Nancy Pelosi too and fully supported the ACA even before it was a law..

Republicans destroying the middle class and libertarians s destroying the government and safety net for the poor, all orchestrated by the rich greedy capitalists... At one time I did believe in capitalism, that is why I was a republican. That was before capitalism became so corrupt and bought off the republican party thanks to the SCOTUS ruling on citizens united. So we can partially thank the SCOTUS for my departure from the republican party too. The SCOTUS did not solidify the republican party, instead they drove the only few sensible people out of the party... The republicans and libertarians and their guns and hypocritical stance on the Bible know nothing but winning and have no sense of civil service or constitutional equality whatsoever anymore. They are WHITE Jesus, racists hillbillies and retarded redneck goobers waving their KKKonfederate flag like the hateful, degenerate baboons that they are...

I loath the republican party now... Abraham Lincoln is perhaps one of my favorite figures in all of history. I probably like Lincoln more than I like Jesus, yes... I have had a benevolence toward Abraham Lincoln all of my known life.

Lincoln would without a single doubt be a democrat today too... I wish Lincoln were around today to trample a few grapes of wrath on those republican sellout traitor rats and the racist tea party slime bags...
RexRed
 
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Reply Sat 17 Aug, 2013 04:19 pm
@spendius,
As opposed to the overly complex bourbon brained minds that can't wordsmith their thoughts out of a wet paper bag.

Thanks Spendius...
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RexRed
 
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Reply Sat 17 Aug, 2013 04:31 pm
@timur,
haha! Smile
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Moment-in-Time
 
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Reply Sat 17 Aug, 2013 05:02 pm
@RexRed,
Thank you for your most lucid response, RedRed...for one second there I thought Spendius was your alter ego. I now understand more fully where you're coming from.
spendius
 
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Reply Sat 17 Aug, 2013 05:10 pm
@Moment-in-Time,
You presumably mean that Rex has mood swings. One minute a right wing loony and the next a left wing loony.

Herald
 
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Reply Sat 17 Aug, 2013 09:53 pm
@spendius,
Quote:
Do you think people should bear that in mind when they start the car up?

What I think is that with CO2 the things have gone so far and so away and so out of control that nothing is enough anymore.
If you have a SUV - change it for s.th. normal, if you have middle class car, use better lubrication oils and some cleaner fuels (propane-butane, gas-methane diesel or something like that ... and consult your auto-mechanic and/or the car producer), if you use clean fuels - make it hybrid; if it is hybrid - make it completely electrical ... with hydrogen cells ... and charge it from solar panels.
Don't drive on the highways with 3 times the recommended speed for this will result in excess fuel consumption.
Collect your garbage separately ... but try to reduce it before that, & don't throw the batteries in the container with the household waste ... and don't throw the vial of the car oil on the roots of the first tree, etc.
Everybody can do something to reduce the carbon imprint without constraining the consumption and his comfort of living ... if he is aware of what he is doing, or course ... and where he wants to be.

Quote:
If they do will they turn it off?

Turning off the keys is an extreme measure ... and is to be applied in extreme cases, when the circumstances compel us to do so. Believe it or not, but this will not be too far in time.
neologist
 
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Reply Sat 17 Aug, 2013 11:48 pm
@timur,
He gave me enough intelligence to understand the word supercilious.
RexRed
 
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Reply Sun 18 Aug, 2013 12:45 am
@spendius,
I am a human being that follows my own drum, that just means I am REAL and give of myself more than just following the crowd "blindly"...

I am habitually digging deeper to get to the heart of things which makes me more sensible than most and far less gullible in general...

I am as a rule not stuck on religious precepts, hatreds and prejudices such that I cannot reason for myself. You can call them mood swings and I call it having my own prerogative. I would rather be a completely autonomous free thinker than be a drone to stagnant religious pomp and circumstance.
 

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