RexRed
 
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Reply Mon 30 Jun, 2014 08:34 pm
@neologist,
neologist wrote:

Romeo Fabulini wrote:
Quote:
Neologist said to me about my dad- Do you suppose he might have to forgive you? Or will you just refuse to associate with him? How would that go over with Jesus? Or will one of you be in hell?
Mate, if something is the TRUTH, we don't need to apologise to anybody for saying harsh things about them, because the truth is the truth..Smile

You've called me - "ignorant, malicious, fable-spinner, talks drivel, a deceiver, a liar, racist, self-deluded, a threat to pygmy possums"
which amounts to slander AND false witness, so I don't see how you can escape that big naughty step in the sky..Wink
I'm sorry about calling you a threat to possums. That was a callous attempt at humor on my part. However, the other things are pretty much true. Look how you dodge the things you have said about your father. We are to honor our parents. Yet, you don't feel you owe any apology for equating your father with excrement? I certainly have never gone to that length with anyone. You can't dodge this, Romeo, not until you tell us when you meet up with your father you will apologize, you will forgive him, and love him as a fellow follower of Christ.
Of course, we may then assume you have retracted the statements you made about him in haste.

And by the way, being ignorant, malicious, fable-spinner, talks drivel, a deceiver, a liar, racist, and self-deluded are traits that you may change.


The Bible says to honor our parents but we know that is bullshit.

We should honor those who honor us, there are a lot of deadbeat parents out there who abandon their kids then years later try to appease their own conscience by getting in their kids faces (usually while drunk) and saying "Remember I have always loved you..."

Should kids forgive such parents like this? Forgive is a word made up by the religious and Bible writers.

Let's ask the real question should kids trust parents like this?

Trust and forgiveness require restitution, amends and years of bridge building, not blind religious stupidity.

A lack of forgiveness is a protective mechanism that shields a person from being played over and over as a fool.

I had great parents but those unfortunate enough to have had sociopaths for parents and worse should have no reservations of telling these people to get out of their lives and never return.

Just screwing someone and making a baby does not a parent make.

Pushing forgiveness on someone is a sin too, keep that in mind.
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Romeo Fabulini
 
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Reply Mon 30 Jun, 2014 08:35 pm
Neologist said to me: being ignorant, malicious, fable-spinner, talks drivel, a deceiver, a liar, racist, and self-deluded are traits that you may change.
Mate, even if all those slanders were true, I'd NEVER let a relative of mine die for want of a transfusion like you would.
That's why you can never hope to win a debate by playing the 'Holier than thou card' against me or anybody else, because we'll simply trump you every time by hitting you with the 'Transfusion card', right Kid?

"Right!"

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RexRed
 
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Reply Mon 30 Jun, 2014 10:58 pm
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neologist
 
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Reply Tue 1 Jul, 2014 12:52 am
@Romeo Fabulini,
Romeo Fabulini wrote:
Neologist said to me: being ignorant, malicious, fable-spinner, talks drivel, a deceiver, a liar, racist, and self-deluded are traits that you may change.
Mate, even if all those slanders were true, I'd NEVER let a relative of mine die for want of a transfusion like you would.
That's why you can never hope to win a debate by playing the 'Holier than thou card' against me or anybody else, because we'll simply trump you every time by hitting you with the 'Transfusion card', right Kid?

"Right!"
I am surely not the only one here wishing for you to give a straightforward answer to the question I asked about your father. Are you holier than all of those on a2k and, therefore, not obliged to provide any of us with the answer?

I find it rather droll that whenever I trump one of your Biblical gaffes, you resort to the blood issue. Your a one armed boxer with only a weak left hook. Nothing to protect that glass jaw.
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Romeo Fabulini
 
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Reply Tue 1 Jul, 2014 11:59 am
Quote:
Neologist said to me: I find it rather droll that whenever I trump one of your Biblical gaffes, you resort to the blood issue. Your a one armed boxer with only a weak left hook. Nothing to protect that glass jaw.

I always back myself up with bible quotes, yet you call them "gaffes", and you said earlier that I talk "drivel"!
If you think the bible is drivel, it certainly explains why you JW's shun the bible and have written your own 'New World Translation' to try to back up your own satanic cockamamie ideas!
As for transfusions, not even atheists or the most primitive heathen jungle tribes deliberately let each other die like you JW's do!
It's always YOU who start the fights, and like I've told you before, if you're spoiling for a fight with me you've come knocking on the right door..Smile
neologist
 
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Reply Tue 1 Jul, 2014 12:19 pm
@Romeo Fabulini,
You still have not answered the questions about your father. Will you be in heaven together? If so, will you continue to call him a little s%^&t?
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Romeo Fabulini
 
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Reply Tue 1 Jul, 2014 12:41 pm
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Neologist said to me: You still have not answered the questions about your father. Will you be in heaven together? If so, will you continue to call him a little s%^&t?

Firstly, none of us know if we'll be going to heaven or not, (although you JW's arrogantly assume you''ll be going), so I can't pretend to be able to answer your question, nobody can.
Even Paul said-
"I care very little if I am judged by you or by any human court; indeed, I do not even judge myself. My conscience is clear, but that does not make me innocent. It is the Lord who judges me. Therefore judge nothing before the appointed time" (1 Cor 4:3)

But hypothetically speaking, it'd certainly be interesting if i met my old man, i wonder if he'd say the things he used to say to me on earth like- "you're rotten to the core...i wish you'd get under a bus...you've turned out bad...i hate yer..."
Hope somebody films the meeting for youtube..Smile
Quehoniaomath
 
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Reply Tue 1 Jul, 2014 01:52 pm
@Romeo Fabulini,
Quote:
But hypothetically speaking, it'd certainly be interesting if i met my old man


hypothetically? There is so much proof for live after this life.
So, you will meet him, unless he is reincarnated again. Wink
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Romeo Fabulini
 
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Reply Tue 1 Jul, 2014 04:47 pm
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Quehon said: hypothetically? There is so much proof for live after this life. So, you will meet him, unless he is reincarnated again.

Prove it!
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neologist
 
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Reply Tue 1 Jul, 2014 06:00 pm
@Romeo Fabulini,
neologist wrote:
You still have not answered the questions about your father. Will you be in heaven together? If so, will you continue to call him a little s%^&t?
Romeo Fabulini wrote:
Firstly, none of us know if we'll be going to heaven or not, (although you JW's arrogantly assume you''ll be going),
I don't expect to be going to heaven, Romeo. Where did you get that idea? BTW, when I do meet my parents in the resurrection, even though they had not the faintest idea of God's purpose, I expect the reunion to be wholeheartedly joyful.
Romeo Fabulini wrote:
. . . . .
But hypothetically speaking, it'd certainly be interesting if i met my old man, i wonder if he'd say the things he used to say to me on earth like- "you're rotten to the core...i wish you'd get under a bus...you've turned out bad...i hate yer..."
Hope somebody films the meeting for youtube..Smile
This is the meeting I was referring to, Romeo. How might it work out? Will you continue to call him a little s%^&t? If your father continues abusive, will he continue in heaven?
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Romeo Fabulini
 
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Reply Tue 1 Jul, 2014 08:27 pm
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Neologist said: I don't expect to be going to heaven, Romeo. Where did you get that idea? BTW, when I do meet my parents in the resurrection, even though they had not the faintest idea of God's purpose, I expect the reunion to be wholeheartedly joyful.

I've told you before mate, your JW beliefs are like a Monty Python sketch!
For example you say you don't expect to be going to heaven, yet you say you'll meet your parents in the resurrection!
Meet them where exactly? I'd genuinely like to know..Wink
Romeo Fabulini
 
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Reply Tue 1 Jul, 2014 08:47 pm
Hey RexRed, no offence but I'm not going to waste 19 mins of my life watching that Dawkins video, I'd rather watch 'World's Deadliest Prison Gangs'!
Dawkins has already adnitted he doesn't know if there's a God in another vid and even says he's an agnostic, so he's not such a hardcore atheist as people think..Smile

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neologist
 
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Reply Tue 1 Jul, 2014 08:54 pm
@Romeo Fabulini,
Romeo Fabulini wrote:
I've told you before mate, your JW beliefs are like a Monty Python sketch!
For example you say you don't expect to be going to heaven, yet you say you'll meet your parents in the resurrection!
Meet them where exactly? I'd genuinely like to know..
On earth, of course, where God intended man to live.
Quote:
The heaven, even the heavens, are the LORD'S: but the earth hath he given to the children of men.(Psalms 115:16)
Now, let's return to the question you have declined to answer:
Quote:
(In the resurrection) How might it work out? Will you continue to call him a little s%^&t? If your father continues abusive, will he continue in heaven?
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Romeo Fabulini
 
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Reply Tue 1 Jul, 2014 09:28 pm
Quote:
Romeo said to Neologist: you say you don't expect to be going to heaven, yet you say you'll meet your parents in the resurrection!
Meet them where exactly? I'd genuinely like to know..
Neologist replied: On earth, of course, where God intended man to live.
Quote:
"The heaven, even the heavens, are the LORD'S: but the earth hath he given to the children of men. (Psalms 115:16)"
Now, let's return to the question you have declined to answer:
Quote:
(In the resurrection) How might it work out? Will you continue to call him a little s%^&t? If your father continues abusive, will he continue in heaven?

Slow down mate, first things first, I'm trying to visualise what your JW "new earth" would be like-
If you meet your parents there, will they look young or old, and will you look young or old to them?
Secondly you seem to think my dad will be there. Are you saying that nasty people are going to be on your "new earth"?
If that's the case I don't think I want to go because I might find Hitler or Saddam living next door to me!

But to answer your question, if my dad is there i'll cross the street to avoid him and keep the peace, but if he runs up to me spoiling for a fight and shouting "have you got a job yet you workshy slob, and are you still wasting your money on silly model aeroplanes?" i'll give him a fight, fair enough?

PS- For the record, I never ever called him names when he was alive, all the verbal abuse came from HIM, so if he runs up to me to say "sorry" i'll probably smile, shake his hand and say "it's okay, just forget it you little ****"..Smile
FBM
 
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Reply Tue 1 Jul, 2014 09:39 pm
Dawkins is intellectually honesst. No one can be 100% sure that there are no unicorns until one has searched every point in space throughout the entire universe into which a unicorn might fit. However, that is no support for the claim that there are unicorns, nor is it a gap into which a god might fit. We need positive evidence for such a claim, not the negative variety. Wink
Romeo Fabulini
 
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Reply Tue 1 Jul, 2014 09:48 pm
@FBM,
Ah, but true Christians can FEEL God inside them, but there's no way to PROVE to anybody that he's there..Smile
For example I was a wimpy nerdy kid who used to cry my eyes out in the school toilets with depression, but then locked onto Jesus in my teens and have grown up to become the toughest person I know..Smile

"Our gospel came to you not simply with words, but also with power.." (1 Thess 1:5)
"For God did not give us a spirit of timidity, but a spirit of power" (2 Tim 1:7)
"Be strong in the Lord and in his mighty power" (Ephesians 6:10)
"After Jesus spent the night in prayer,everybody tried to touch him because power was coming from him"- Luke 6:12-19
Jesus said - "Someone touched me, I know that power has gone out from me." ( Luke 8:46)


And we too can "touch" Jesus by logging onto him to get a 'power download', just mumbling a few words now and again will get us connected, even if it's just "Jesus remember me", whenever we're feeling tired, lonely, fed up..
"..that you may stand firm in all the will of God, mature and fully assured" (Col 4:12)

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FBM
 
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Reply Tue 1 Jul, 2014 11:14 pm
@Romeo Fabulini,
It's also possible to FEEL with the very same absolute certainty that Santa Claus is bringing the gifts or that you're getting your engrams stimulated. As long as there is nothing to go on but a person's subjective feelings, then anything goes, as one claim carries no more weight than any other.

And again, the Bible is the claim, not the evidence. Quoting it does nothing except describe the particular myth you subscribe to, and from the looks of this thread, nobody's interested in following you down that road.
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neologist
 
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Reply Wed 2 Jul, 2014 12:34 am
@Romeo Fabulini,
I pretty much meant your idea of the resurrection, Romeo. I assume you feel pointed towards the 'pearlies'; but I simply wish to know if you believe your father will be there, what your relationship will be like, and whether there is any scriptural reference to explain how that relationship would work out.

In my case, I expect to see my parents as they were when they were young. As for whether one might find a Hitler or a Saddam, I couldn't say. But all who are there will be former sinners. That would include Manasseh, who was guilty of some pretty serious stuff.
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Quehoniaomath
 
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Reply Wed 2 Jul, 2014 01:08 am
@FBM,
Quote:
Dawkins is intellectually honesst.


absolutely NOT!, and provable so.

I had put this here before:

Quote:
Rupert Sheldrake - Richard Dawkins comes to call
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mtPuKSwP1mo


and there is more

I really think he is rather narcistic. And those kind of people have no problem with lying at all.
Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Wed 2 Jul, 2014 03:14 am
@FBM,
FBM wrote:

Dawkins is intellectually honesst. No one can be 100% sure that there are no unicorns until one has searched every point in space throughout the entire universe into which a unicorn might fit. However, that is no support for the claim that there are unicorns, nor is it a gap into which a god might fit. We need positive evidence for such a claim, not the negative variety. Wink


So long as the claim "there are no unicorns" is not made...all you have said here is logical. But when the claim is made "there are no unicorns"...then it is not a negative claim...it is a pro-active, positive claim...and the burden of proof falls on the person making the claim.

Oh...same goes if the subject is gods.
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