Romeo Fabulini
 
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Reply Wed 25 Jun, 2014 05:21 pm
Quote:
RexRed said: Mohammad wasn't a real person

Well whose body is in that box in Medina, Elvises?
Joe Sixpack
 
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Reply Wed 25 Jun, 2014 05:25 pm
@spendius,
spendius wrote:
You are on the verge of condemning male homosexuality. Maybe over the verge. History has not condemned male homosexuality because male homosexuals didn't pull their socks up. And you have pointed to one very significant reason why history has done so. i.e. that it causes sickness.
Rex is conflicted in his beliefs. Instead of thanking God for laws protecting him from venereal disease, and other of life's vicissitudes, he curses God like a 2 year old who has been corrected by his parent.
RexRed
 
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Reply Thu 26 Jun, 2014 01:59 am
@Joe Sixpack,
Joe Sixpack wrote:

spendius wrote:
You are on the verge of condemning male homosexuality. Maybe over the verge. History has not condemned male homosexuality because male homosexuals didn't pull their socks up. And you have pointed to one very significant reason why history has done so. i.e. that it causes sickness.
Rex is conflicted in his beliefs. Instead of thanking God for laws protecting him from venereal disease, and other of life's vicissitudes, he curses God like a 2 year old who has been corrected by his parent.


I am not conflicted in my beliefs, religion is conflicted in its contradicting doctrine, BIG difference. Remember, I am the one who values science and reason. Just because I studied religion does not mean I believe that hogwash. I am actually quite content in leaving the mess behind.

Please refrain from projecting your own weaknesses on me.
RexRed
 
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Reply Thu 26 Jun, 2014 02:06 am
@Romeo Fabulini,
Romeo Fabulini wrote:

Quote:
RexRed said: Mohammad wasn't a real person

Well whose body is in that box in Medina, Elvises?


Until there is PROOF it could be anybody.

Religion based upon private "revelations from angels" don't bet your rent money on it being true.

I don't have a problem with people and their revelations they are often creative and insightful but most definitely fictional...

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RexRed
 
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Reply Thu 26 Jun, 2014 03:19 am
@Romeo Fabulini,
Romeo Fabulini wrote:

Quote:
RexRed said: How do you know Buddha, Alexander the great, Nepolion, or Matthew Shepard or ANY martyr was not this foretold messiah?

Well in the Old Testament about 500 BC Zechariah says -
"See, your king comes to you, righteous and having salvation, gentle and riding on a donkey, on a colt, the foal of a donkey" (Zech 9:9)

And the New Testament says-
"They threw their cloaks on the colt and put Jesus on it. As he went along, people spread their cloaks on the road" (Luke 19:35/37)

So who do you think Zechariah meant would be riding into Jerusalem, the Lone Ranger?..Smile


So the new testament writers make up a story about Jesus riding a donkey, and the gullible believe it lock stock and barrel.
Do you know how many old testament prophecies failed? LOTS.

For instance, Babylon was not destroyed from the face of the earth as the Bible claims. Babylon still in Iraq 2014, the only reason why the city was no longer inhabited is because the water supply, the Euphrates river, moved away from the city gradually over time.

Many cities have been abandoned for the exact same reason i.e. Petra in Jordan the same thing, no water, no people.

No fire and brimstone, no pillaging and war just a very slow depopulation over time.

586 BC the inhabitants of Israel and Judah were carried off to Babylon.

At the time Jeremiah prophesied of the destruction of Babylon that NEVER happened.

Jeremiah 51:58
“Thus says the Lord of hosts:
The broad wall of Babylon
shall be leveled to the ground,
and her high gates
shall be burned with fire.
The peoples labor for nothing,
and the nations weary themselves only for fire.”

Comment:
See how religion has its vindictive warmongering side?

If Jehovah was going to smite Babylon, err, it might have been a good time to do so during Nebuchadnezzar's lifetime don't ya think?

Wow the prophecies foretold of the messiah riding a donkey and Jesus rode one! I would like a penny for every person who rode a donkey into Jerusalem.

Failed biblical prophecies.

Destruction of Tyre
God states quite blatantly that Nebuchadnezzar would completely sack and destroy the city of Tyre. However, the events given in this passage never did come to pass. After a 13 year siege, Nebuchadnezzar withdrew his forces. Despite being conquered and razed by Alexander the Great 240 years later, Tyre still exists

Destruction of Egypt (Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I will bring a sword upon thee, and cut off man and beast out of thee. And the land of Egypt shall be desolate and waste;

In Ezekiel 30:10-11 Ezekiel further predicts that Nebuchadnezzar will destroy Egypt:
This is what the Sovereign LORD says: I will put an end to the hordes of Egypt by the hand of Nebuchadnezzar king of Babylon. He and his army—the most ruthless of nations— will be brought in to destroy the land. They will draw their swords against Egypt and fill the land with the slain. (NIV)
However, Nebuchadnezzar was defeated in his only attempt to invade Egypt.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/04/Talet_harb_roundabout-cairo-egypt.JPG/450px-Talet_harb_roundabout-cairo-egypt.JPG
Egypt, what a desolate wasteland. Smile

Triumph of Judah

Isaiah predicts the Nile drying up, Sea draining
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/de/Nile_River_and_delta_from_orbit.jpg
Yup still there Smile

Egyptians will speak the dead language of Canaan

Failure to smite Jebus
In Joshua 3:10 quoted as saying the following:
Hereby ye shall know that the living God is among you, and that he will without fail drive out from before you the Canaanites, and the Hittites, and the Hivites, and the Perizzites, and the Girgashites, and the Amorites, and the Jebusites.

This is a repetition of a promise had from God's own lips in earlier books. However, mere moments later we learn that:

As for the Jebusites the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the children of Judah could not drive them out; but the Jebusites dwell with the children of Judah at Jerusalem unto this day.

Israelites will be unbeatable
(In Exodus 23:27 God tells Moses that he will defeat every enemy he encounters:)

Israel will live in peace with its neighbors
Ezekiel 28:24-26 predicts that Israel will live in peace with its neighbors:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/2d/Merkava3dKasag001.jpg/800px-Merkava3dKasag001.jpg
A Merkava vineyard planter

Cyrus will conquer Babylon
The messiah will be born in Bethlehem
Jesus will be a Nazarene

And the list goes on...

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Failed_biblical_prophecies

And we are supposed to believe this is divine revelation?
spendius
 
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Reply Thu 26 Jun, 2014 03:29 am
@RexRed,
Quote:
Remember, I am the one who values science and reason.


You said not responding to a question proved that the argument is lost.

You were asked whether humans are machines or not. Which is the fundamental question raised by evolutionary science. Where's your answer because by your own recent statement you lose the argument if you fail to answer.

You were asked whether monogamy and polygamy contradicted evolutionary science. You failed to answer that as well.

I provided an explanation of why I didn't answer one of your questions.

Quote:
Just because I studied religion


Not enough I'm afraid. I recommend you get a copy of Samuel Butler's The Way Of All Flesh and study that. Don't bother with it as a speed read.

If you really do value science and reason you show very few signs of doing so despite your childish assertions.

There are nine assertions, at the least, in your short post.

RexRed
 
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Reply Thu 26 Jun, 2014 03:35 am
@spendius,
I am about to put you on ignore with the rest of the jerks.
spendius
 
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Reply Thu 26 Jun, 2014 03:51 am
@RexRed,
And you have not responded to the request to provide evidence for your assertion that STDs are more common in polygamous societies than in monogamous ones.
spendius
 
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Reply Thu 26 Jun, 2014 03:53 am
@RexRed,
Quote:
I am about to put you on ignore with the rest of the jerks.


That is throwing in the towel.
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RexRed
 
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Reply Thu 26 Jun, 2014 04:19 am
@spendius,
spendius wrote:

And you have not responded to the request to provide evidence for your assertion that STDs are more common in polygamous societies than in monogamous ones.

STD's are more common in polygamous and promiscuous "people"...
and, people make up societies...

Is There a Price to Pay for Promiscuity?
http://www.everydayhealth.com/longevity/can-promiscuity-threaten-longevity.aspx

Sexually transmitted infections in polygamous mating systems
http://rstb.royalsocietypublishing.org/content/368/1613/20120048.full

Polygamy in West Africa: what are the implications for sexual health?
http://www.eldis.org/id21ext/h6kh4g1.html

Excerpt: Women whose husbands had more than one wife, or who had previously been married to someone else, were three times as likely to have herpes as women whose husbands had only ever been married once.

Comment:
1 Polygamy and promiscuity puts a person at a "greater" risk for sexually transmitted diseases.

2 Sexually transmitted diseases ruin a person's health

Therefore: Destroying ones's personal health or that of others with multiple sexual partners is immoral.

im·mor·al [ih-mawr-uhl, ih-mor-]
adjective
1.
violating moral principles; not conforming to the patterns of conduct usually accepted or established as consistent with principles of personal and social ethics.
2.
licentious or lascivious.

Synonyms
one who makes no attempt to curb self-indulgence

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/immoral
spendius
 
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Reply Thu 26 Jun, 2014 04:48 am
@RexRed,
I had the impression that promiscuity is more prevalent in our society than ever it was in polygamous ones.

Why have you suddenly started talking about promiscuity? Polygamy was the subject. And polygamy is puritanical.

Homosexuals are promiscuous. Parade it. Wallow in it.
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spendius
 
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Reply Thu 26 Jun, 2014 04:57 am
@RexRed,
Perhaps legalising same-sex "marriage" is a last ditch attempt to render homosexuals respectable rather than promiscuous.
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neologist
 
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Reply Thu 26 Jun, 2014 09:51 am
@RexRed,
RexRed wrote:
Please refrain from projecting your own weaknesses on me.
I don't know about Joe, but you are the one projecting weakness.

See below.
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neologist
 
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Reply Thu 26 Jun, 2014 09:53 am
@RexRed,
RexRed wrote:
Cyrus will conquer Babylon
That happened
RexRed wrote:
The messiah will be born in Bethlehem
That happened
RexRed wrote:
Jesus will be a Nazarene
That, too.
Romeo Fabulini
 
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Reply Thu 26 Jun, 2014 10:14 am
Quote:
RexRed said: Do you know how many old testament prophecies failed? LOTS.

Only if you take them too literally..Smile
For example when God says he's going to destroy this or that heathen tribe, he could mean he's simply going to destroy the demons in them to cure them of their nasty ways as in "the lion shall lie down with the lamb" etc
RexRed
 
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Reply Thu 26 Jun, 2014 10:56 am
@neologist,
neologist wrote:

RexRed wrote:
Cyrus will conquer Babylon
That happened
RexRed wrote:
The messiah will be born in Bethlehem
That happened
RexRed wrote:
Jesus will be a Nazarene
That, too.


Isaiah prophesied that Cyrus would conquer Babylon "after the fact"...

First Jesus was not a Nazirite because he drank wine.

Was Jesus Egyptian? He supposedly lived there for a while too to Avoid Herod's slaughter of the innocents that history also says never occurred..

(Riding a donkey, living in Egypt, there is a pattern to this deception.)

Wikipedia
Most scholars agree that Jesus was a Jewish rabbi from Galilee.

Comment:

I lived in Dallas Texas on my own for a year when I was 18 (does that make me RexRed from Dallas?)

Out of Dallas I came. (My Grandfather was also born in Dallas)

I do not in any way consider myself a Texan or a southerner... I'm surely a damned Yankee and very proud of it. Smile

Wikipedia
However, lack of archaeological evidence for Nazareth from Assyrian, Babylonian, Persian, Hellenistic or Early Roman times, at least in the major excavations between 1955 and 1990, shows that the settlement apparently came to an abrupt end about 720 BC, when the Assyrians destroyed many towns in the area.

Comment:
Nazareth did not exist during the times of Jesus.

And also, according to the Bible prophets, the earth is flat and orbited by the sun.

Wikipedia
The Gospel of Luke suggests that ancient Nazareth was built on the hillside. Historic Nazareth was essentially constructed in the valley; the windy hilltops in the vicinity have only been occupied since the construction of Nazareth Illit in 1957

It gets even more strange.

Wikipedia
According to the Bible, Nazareth was also where Jesus grew up from some point in his childhood. However, some modern scholars argue that Nazareth was also the birthplace of Jesus.

Nazareth, Bethlehem? Make up your mind Neo.
Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Thu 26 Jun, 2014 10:57 am
@neologist,
neologist wrote:

RexRed wrote:
The messiah will be born in Bethlehem
That happened.


In order for that to be accurate, Neo, shouldn't it read, "The Bible says that happened?"

Quote:

RexRed wrote:
Jesus will be a Nazarene
That, too.


In order for that to be accurate, Neo, shouldn't it read, "The Bible says that happened?"
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RexRed
 
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Reply Thu 26 Jun, 2014 10:58 am
@Romeo Fabulini,
Romeo Fabulini wrote:

Quote:
RexRed said: Do you know how many old testament prophecies failed? LOTS.

Only if you take them too literally..Smile
For example when God says he's going to destroy this or that heathen tribe, he could mean he's simply going to destroy the demons in them to cure them of their nasty ways as in "the lion shall lie down with the lamb" etc


And are we supposed to take the Jesus story literally?

How are we supposed to know when the the Bible is really crying wolf?
Romeo Fabulini
 
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Reply Thu 26 Jun, 2014 11:08 am
If the Old T was all we needed, God wouldn't have sent Jesus to give us the simplified streamlined New T would he?..Smile
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neologist
 
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Reply Thu 26 Jun, 2014 11:10 am
@RexRed,
I'll stick with the Biblical account that Jesus was born in Bethlehem and raised in Nazareth. Soon I will begin a thread outlining my reasons. But suffice it to say the Bible proves itself over and over in ways many have overlooked.
 

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