About deities contemplating super-deities,
Deuteronomy 32:8-9 in the Septuagint reads:
Quote:8When El Elyon gave to the nations their inheritance, when he separated the sons of Adam, he fixed the bounds of the peoples according to the number of the sons of El. 9For Yahweh's portion is his people, Jacob his allotted inheritance.
There is a clear reference to a supreme god amongst whom Yahweh, Jacob's god, the god of the nation of Israel, is but one of his sons.
The reading in the Septuagint of those verses in Deuteronomy is corroborated by a Dead Sea Scroll, 4QDeut.
So does this like show how screwed up people go to heaven, while good people who commit blasphamy are condemed?
bongstar, I don't make any judgements about where the sinner ends up. I just shared this story of how convoluted religion and the religious can be.
But you see, I am apparentialy condemend to hell, while those jackasses(Im talking about 99.9% of christians and related denominations) get into heaven because theyre christians. And what about the rest of the religions of the world. That puts around .000000001% of people of all time in hell jsut because they wernt the right kind of christians. This is a gross estimation. Heaven must be rather vacant....The fact of the matter is I have no god/s to answer to. I sure dont have to answer to anyone elses god/s. Tell me why would god/s make such a big deal out of faith. Yeah I know what the various religions say. That is plain false. If there were god/s where are they now. Seems like bad parents to me....
Ruach wrote:
I don't know if it was answered what Monger asked on thread 8, way back but that is as far as I have gotten on this interesting thread.
Asking if the Bible mentions anything else besides male homosexuality. The Merriam Dictionary gives the definition of homosexuality:
1 : the quality or state of being homosexual
2 : erotic activity with another of the same sex
Homosexuality in the Bible is also referring to lesbianism.
Oh really. You are absolutely sure the person who wrote those supposed "words of god" had access to a Merriam Dictionary. And even if he had, why would he look up the word "homosexual?" The word was not even used in the applicable passage.
The applicable passage from Leviticus 20:13 reads:
"If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them shall be
put to death for their abominable deed; they have forfeited their
lives."
So if you will, please explain why the dictionary definition of homosexual plays a part here -- and point out where it does apply to women.
Quote:Biblio, I do not believe Jesus was just a man. I believe he is God himself.
I and the Father are one.
If you have seen me you have seen the Father.
Genesis 1... the Word is Jesus, all things were made through him and the Word was made Flesh.
No problem there.
It is possible for a person to "believe" he can train an elephant to pole vault.
Ruach wrote:I don't know if it was answered what Monger asked on thread 8, way back but that is as far as I have gotten on this interesting thread.
Asking if the Bible mentions anything else besides male homosexuality.
My question was about Biblical references to paedophilia (and Bib didn't want to answer it).
Monger wrote:Bibliophile the BibleGuru wrote:Pedophilia, or any kind of human abuse is NOT Christian, and anyone who holds ecclesiastical office and condones, shields or denies such repugnant activity, is in my humble opinion, based on the life and works of Jesus Christ, a charlatan, and a disgrace to their clerical calling.
1. Physical abuse. -- According to what you said here (as well as my version of morality), wouldn't that also make the barbaric, vengeance-loving God of the Old Testament one of the world's greatest charlatans? Do you think Jesus' father conducts his business in a Christian manner?
2. Pedophilia. -- The only scriptures I can think of right now to back up what you said are ones similar to Matthew 18:6 ...
Quote:Mat.18:6 But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea.
About this particular verse, well, to begin with, it just isn't about sex. Even if it does apply to that, this threat only goes out against those who "offend"
Christian children, which doesn't settle too well with me.
I can't think of scriptures that specifically talk against
any sexual practices other than
male homosexuality. I'd be very interested in any Bible verses dealing with pedophilia, as I grew up in a Christian organization which preached that having sex with kids was Biblically okay so long as
"it was done in love", which is completely revolting to me. I'm curious whether what you said can be backed up from the Bible or not.
I wish there wasn't so much in the Bible that CAN be used to support human abuse.
And Frank is certainly correct. There are no prohibitions against female homosexuality in the Bible.
No seed, I guess - heehee...
bongstar420,
Quote:"De paschæ computus", written in 243 and falsely ascribed to Cyprian (P.L., IV, 963 sqq.), which places Christ's birth on 28 March, because on that day the material sun was created.
Are you saying here that people believe they know the day the sun was created.? This is what i am asking.
Quote:Biblio, I do not believe Jesus was just a man. I believe he is God himself.
I and the Father are one.
If you have seen me you have seen the Father.
Genesis 1... the Word is Jesus, all things were made through him and the Word was made Flesh.
Biblio, you are like an elementary school student, not even knowing what you are saying. You could go back to school, read some books, try to understand these things you say, quote. Learn something about interpretation.
Steve (as 41oo) wrote:Was Jesus born?
I think so, but not of a vergin. That was not possible at that time. He also is supposed to be one of many siblings.
But to the question at hand. If jesus wasnt born then someone else would have been put in his place. A male, of coarse.
I was thinking, in the bible, why isnt there a book of jesus. Surley god would have known how to wright, if you believe in worshiping jesus. Otherwise surely gods son would have know how to wright. Right?
Interesting post Bong
you write
(in response to was Jesus born?)
Quote:I think so, but not of a vergin. That was not possible at that time.
(my italics)
Have things progressed to such an extent that virgin births are now commonplace?
Quote:If jesus wasnt born then someone else would have been put in his place. A male, of coarse.
I agree men tend to be the coarser of the two sexes, but you cant take it forgranted.
Quote:Surley god would have known how to wright, if you believe in worshiping jesus. Otherwise surely gods son would have know how to wright. Right?
Er...well alright...if you say so.
Tex-Star wrote:Ruach wrote:Biblio, I do not believe Jesus was just a man. I believe he is God himself.
I and the Father are one.
If you have seen me you have seen the Father.
Genesis 1... the Word is Jesus, all things were made through him and the Word was made Flesh.
Biblio, you are like an elementary school student, not even knowing what you are saying. You could go back to school, read some books, try to understand these things you say, quote. Learn something about interpretation.
I've gotta take issue with this, Tex. Bibliophile, whom Rauch was not quoting, has repeatedly made it evident that he's both intelligent & well-versed in Biblical academia. I believe he's more aware of the many interpretations of those passages than you are.
Your slur towards him was uncalled-for.
Monger, maybe so, but they are quotes with no interpretation except "I think Jesus WAS God."
That's inflamatory. Jesus said it was the Father within him who did the work. Since his life is an example for all of us, then God is also in all people. Yes, you could say WE are God. We have the potential to have this God work through us, just as Jesus did.
Rauch, I understand that you are describing your understanding of something. I left organized religion (well, not actually, but mentally) and study on my own. I don't find any "mystery" in these things anymore and usually don't get involved in talk about just who and where "God".
Sorry if I misquoted you, or Biblio, guess it's all the quotes within quotes. Sorry if I insulted anyone else and will just bow out of here, thank you.
But, Rauch, where in Genesis I do you find the name Jesus? Or, was it you who said the name could be found there?
"The Word is Jesus and all things were made through him..."
Anywho, what good is anything known intellectually. It is how we apply the teachings in our lives. As we live it, we are rewarded with understanding. Don't know if "understanding" can be passed to anyone verbaly. It is the experiencing of nature, art, beauty, living, loving, forgiving.
I would only add that we will see God, the Holy Spirit, and Jesus, the 3 parts of the Godhead in Heaven As one of our best known hymns puts it, "God in three persons, blessed Trinity."
"he mystery of the Trinity is beyond our understanding: not 1 person but three."
It is hard to visualize, Praise God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit!
Just as a man is a father, son, son-in-law, an employee, a citizen. Many abilities but one person. -ruach[/quote]
This statement that we cannot understand this phenomon is false. I understand it and witnessed it withmy own eyes. This three but one thing probally comes in many forms, but I witnessed is as a shift in visual perception while under the influence of psilocybe cubensis. I was watching the news and the anchor was split into apposing color shifts. On the left was the anchorman in the green shift, on the right was that same man in the red shift, and in the center was the man in the reality that we know. The three shifts were seperate but acted as one. You speak of the inability to transmit understanding, and I would agree. These words barely describe this phenomon, but they might give you an idea. To me it now seems like a simple concpt. What ercks me is that people still insist that I do not understand, simply because words tell them that I cant. Oh well, I have many more revelations in store for me in the future.....
GOD be with you that don't belive
I'll say a prayer for all of you that don't belive,it sadness my heart to here all this.
MY LOVE TO YOU ALL
BUTTER FLY
''GOD LOVES''
It seems to me that Christians constantly talk about this "blessed trinity" and speak in glowing terms about it when trying to make Jesus a GOD.
But the moment the discussion turns to "the Father" part of the "trinity" suddenly things change.
"The Father" -- the god of the Bible -- no longer plays a part in their religion -- unless they need the words of that god, the Father, to rationalize one of their hatreds.
I think this facet of Christianity sucks!
Hello...Happy New Leap Year to you all.
