How do i know God is real?

InfraBlue wrote:

God permits Satan to do to man what he's done. The responsibility is entirely God's.

Some of us understand Satan's permission to have a limit.

Some of us understand the permission exists for a reason.
And is accompanied by a promise to set things straight.

Since God permitted Satan to perpetrate those dick moves, God is responsible for those dick moves.

OK, fair enough. How about starting with #1, the bears he sent to kill children?

InfraBlue wrote:

Since God permitted Satan to perpetrate those dick moves, God is responsible for those dick moves.

Funny you don't complain about the moves God has allowed Satan to perpetrate on you (and me). We were created to live forever. Instead, we live 70 or 80 years and we croak. That's if we are lucky and don't die of a debilitating and painful disease, possibly in childhood.

Were you to read the Bible with the intent to understand, you would know that everyone who has died in history can live again. Satan has been given time to test his allegations voiced in Genesis, ch 3 and Job 2:4.

You disapprove of the lengthy time allotted? Perhaps you should offer your services to God as chief timekeeper.

You think me heartless because I welcome God's intervention. As for me I will be relieved when Satan will no longer move.

I'd think it more fair and humane if a god were to find a different way to teach kids a lesson about calling someone a "baldhead." I mean, really. Elisha is walking along and some kids start mocking him. Kids being kids. Elisha says some magical words to the sky and two bears come out and maul 42 of the boys. Yay? Go, god? That's justice? That's a caring, loving, compassionate god? That's an all-powerful deity? That's our heavenly father? That's the only way he could teach those kids a lesson? C'mon, man.

FBM wrote:

I'd think it more fair and humane if a god were to find a different way to teach kids a lesson about calling someone a "baldhead." I mean, really. Elisha is walking along and some kids start mocking him. Kids being kids. Elisha says some magical words to the sky and two bears come out and maul 42 of the boys. Yay? Go, god? That's justice? That's a caring, loving, compassionate god? That's an all-powerful deity? That's our heavenly father? That's the only way he could teach those kids a lesson? C'mon, man.

Ohhh, so your morality is above God's? Well, isn't that special!

Well, it is not God who demands the test.
And God is under no obligation to know the outcome.
But He has set the time

We may not like the time
But, unlike you, I will not fault God for doing what is necessary to save our sorry asses.

You should apply for an advisory position.

InfraBlue wrote:

FBM wrote:

I'd think it more fair and humane if a god were to find a different way to teach kids a lesson about calling someone a "baldhead." I mean, really. Elisha is walking along and some kids start mocking him. Kids being kids. Elisha says some magical words to the sky and two bears come out and maul 42 of the boys. Yay? Go, god? That's justice? That's a caring, loving, compassionate god? That's an all-powerful deity? That's our heavenly father? That's the only way he could teach those kids a lesson? C'mon, man.

Ohhh, so your morality is above God's? Well, isn't that special!

Not special, at all. 99% of the people I've ever met have never committed infanticide, genocide, torture, etc etc. And I used to work in a prison.

But according to Neo's morality, God commits these things by proxy as a means to an end. The means justify the ends.

I don't get the connection between free will and birth defects like spina bifida.