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Another major school shooting today ... Newtown, Conn

 
 
Val Killmore
 
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Sat 22 Dec, 2012 07:17 pm
@parados,
parados wrote:

Val Killmore wrote:

DrewDad wrote:

The suggestion that we need "more good guys with guns" is like suggesting the Titanic should hit another iceberg, but on the other side of the ship.



The suggestion that we should ban guns in America is like suggesting ships should be banned from sailing the seas after the Titanic crashed into an iceberg and sank.

Nice strawman there Val. Too bad it sinks quicker than the Titanic did.


As if drewdad's analogy wasn't taking it to the absurdum and not a strawman?
You know in such a game, two can play.
oralloy
 
  0  
Sat 22 Dec, 2012 07:27 pm
@reasoning logic,
reasoning logic wrote:
If it is true that a women sent her son to school with a gun, I think that she may need a psychological evaluation and her guns should be removed from her possession. That is my opinion.


That's pretty draconian. She was just scared for her child.
oralloy
 
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Sat 22 Dec, 2012 07:28 pm
@JTT,
JTT wrote:
Anyone know what kind of gun it was? Please please tell me. I've got my hand wrapped around my gun. Someone, please talk guns to me!


JTT, stop being a freak.
BillRM
 
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Sat 22 Dec, 2012 07:30 pm
@gungasnake,
Quote:
Ever wonder how a state like Fla. whose state senate is owned by the GOP 28/12 could go for Bork Obunga in a


Let see in the last election in Florida the GOP was found cheating in the absentee votes and of course to try to reduce the democrat vote that tend to vote during the early voting period by cutting the days and the hours for early voting in half resulting in up to 7 hours lines.
JTT
 
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Sat 22 Dec, 2012 07:30 pm
@oralloy,
Dijya shoot yourself in the face. Oralboy?
gungasnake
 
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Sat 22 Dec, 2012 07:30 pm
@JTT,
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-S8Rv_bRb8PI/Tpmhtg6eIOI/AAAAAAAABY0/XguqXLf_AN0/s1600/asshole-posters.jpeg.jpg
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JTT
 
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Sat 22 Dec, 2012 07:35 pm
@oralloy,
Quote:
That's pretty draconian.


It's draconian to follow the law.

You aren't responsible enough to own a gun, Oralboy.
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oralloy
 
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Sat 22 Dec, 2012 07:40 pm
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:
Let see in the last election in Florida the GOP was found cheating in the absentee votes


How so?
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oralloy
 
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Sat 22 Dec, 2012 07:40 pm
@JTT,
JTT wrote:
Dijya shoot yourself in the face. Oralboy?


Your name-calling is childish.
Val Killmore
 
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Sat 22 Dec, 2012 07:43 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
Walter Hinteler wrote:

Well, I was referring to the data published by the Swiss police as printed in Swiss papers and shown on Swiss tv recently. (And that was earlier, namely in 2006, already published in a study by Killias/University Lausanne as well.)

My main point, however, was regarding "the similar gun cuture in Switzerland".

Your link wrote:
One of the reasons the crime rate in Switzerland is low despite the prevalence of weapons — and also why the Swiss mentality can’t be transposed to the current American reality — is the culture of responsibility and safety that is anchored in society and passed from generation to generation.



Yes guns to its citizens in Switzerland and America are strongly progun, and gun friendly, steeped in tradition and national identity.

And yes, the law abiding citizens in America follow a culture of responsibility and safety that is anchored in society. Sometimes it is passed on generation to generation, as it is with my case.
The problem in America which makes it different from Switzerland on the the subject of guns is the large illegal drug industry in America. Another big difference is its unique defense system consisting of all able males conscripted into a national militia of sorts with recruits continuing training intermittently through the years.
America can learn a lot from Switzerland. I'm ok with a program setup so that only responsible individuals are allowed to own fire arms, such as a license regime to own a gun, not just for concealed carry (so long as it doesn’t infringe on the right to keep and bear arms). I'm also ok with a program which requires individuals to take and pass a test, and mandatory training, intermittently throughout the years to keep the license for concealed carry or open carry.
OmSigDAVID
 
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Sat 22 Dec, 2012 07:47 pm
@reasoning logic,
reasoning logic wrote:

Quote:
Anyone know what kind of gun it was?


Everything I shared with you was hearsay and I do not know all the facts. If it is true that a women sent her son to school with a gun, I think that she may need a psychological evaluation and her guns should be removed from her possession. That is my opinion.
From age 8 on up,
I brought a .38 revolver with me everywhere; Smith & Wesson Model 36.
My neighbors (nabors) were better armed than I was.
We had no trouble; peace n quiet.





David
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JTT
 
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Sat 22 Dec, 2012 08:01 pm
@oralloy,
You shot the gob right in your gob?
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Sat 22 Dec, 2012 08:09 pm
@MontereyJack,
MontereyJack wrote:
And the "civil right" NRA supports is not the civil right SCOTUS says it is, nor is it the civil right the Founders put in the 2nd amendment. The NRA maintains the 2nd amendment is unlimited,essentially any gun anywhere anytime with anybody behind the trigger. SCOTUS says the 2nd amendment is NOT ulimited. The two are on a collision course.
U support discrimination qua the right to defend your life
(more important than a few minutes seating on a bus).
The issue that u raise (in opposition to equality before the law)
has not yet been litigated b4 the USSC.





David
JTT
 
  1  
Sat 22 Dec, 2012 08:22 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
Quote:
U support discrimination qua the right to defend your life
(more important than a few minutes seating on a bus).


You support war criminals and terrorists that actually take the lives of innocents, Om. That's more important than sitting on a bus too.
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Sat 22 Dec, 2012 08:24 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
FOR THE RECORD:
on the Aristotelian square of logical opposition,
the 2A ( " . . . shall not be infringed " ) is an "E'' proposition,
i.e., a universal negative proposition, qua personal defensive armament. That means un-limited, as Jack wisely points out.

A person needs to defend himself, or herself, WHEREVER
he or she falls victim to attack by man or beast.

The penalty for being un-prepared is death,
in the discretion of the predator.





David
JTT
 
  -1  
Sat 22 Dec, 2012 08:32 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
Logic ain't your long suit, Dave. confusion is much more your bag.
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Sat 22 Dec, 2012 09:02 pm
@Joe Nation,
Joe Nation wrote:

The people who promote the possession of guns are responsible for all of those who possess guns.

This tragedy is the result of their failure to control who possesses guns.

Joe(Yep. They have to do it because they won't let us.)Nation
That is a non-sequitur.





David
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parados
 
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Sat 22 Dec, 2012 09:11 pm
@Val Killmore,
Drewdad's analogy may have been absurdism but it was hardly a strawman since he dealt directly with LaPierre's argument. You on the other hand argued against an argument that DrewDad didn't make. That makes yours a strawman.

It seems you don't play well.
JTT
 
  0  
Sat 22 Dec, 2012 09:14 pm
@Joe Nation,
Quote:
The people who promote the possession of guns are responsible for all of those who possess guns.


That's quite the stretch for a freedom lovin' Amurican, Joe. What A2K nuts gave you a thumbs up for that?

But y'all are responsible for what your criminal/terrorist governments do. You know government of the people, by the people, ... .
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cicerone imposter
 
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Sat 22 Dec, 2012 09:25 pm
@parados,
Haven't you noticed? Val has a very good imagination, and most of his responses are based on nothing more than what he sees. That's the reason why his arguments are strawman; nobody else even thought of what he comes out with. My imagination isn't that well developed. Mr. Green Drunk Drunk Drunk
 

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