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Another major school shooting today ... Newtown, Conn

 
 
spendius
 
  0  
Mon 11 Feb, 2013 10:48 am
@H2O MAN,
I would be willing to wager that more women have been raped at the point of a gun than women have been saved from rape by owning one.

A gun gives a rapist a significant advantage.
BillRM
 
  0  
Tue 12 Feb, 2013 03:37 pm
@McTag,
Quote:
That means an ordinary woman (no disrespect) in the US habitually goes out equipped, and no doubt prepared, to kill another human.

What kind of mindset is that? What kind of civilisation?


The mindset of a person who happen to live part time in one of the worst areas of this nation as far as violence crime is concern and is not going to be a helpless victim if attacked.
H2O MAN
 
  -1  
Tue 12 Feb, 2013 03:40 pm
@spendius,
spendius wrote:



A gun gives a rapist a significant advantage.


No ****!

A gun gives the criminal a significant advantage over the law abiding American that is unarmed.
BillRM
 
  -1  
Tue 12 Feb, 2013 03:41 pm
@Frank Apisa,
Quote:
Bill is not representative of the typical American...and if what he says about his wife is correct, neither is she.


No she is not a typical american being a holder of a Phd in her former career field and having been listed in the who who in that field.

Being an ex state bureaucrat with 800 or so people reporting to her at the end of her career.
H2O MAN
 
  -2  
Tue 12 Feb, 2013 03:45 pm


That left wing, pro-Obama, pro-gun control ex-cop is about to get his ass shot off...
Frank Apisa
 
  0  
Tue 12 Feb, 2013 03:59 pm
@BillRM,
Quote:
Quote:
Re: Frank Apisa (Post 5249982)
Quote:
Bill is not representative of the typical American...and if what he says about his wife is correct, neither is she.


No she is not a typical american being a holder of a Phd in her former career field and having been listed in the who who in that field.

Being an ex state bureaucrat with 800 or so people reporting to her at the end of her career.


Wonderful. You must be proud.

But my guess is that the fact that she goes out toting a gun probably makes her less typical of American women than her academic or vocational achievements.

You are free to disagree, of course.
Frank Apisa
 
  0  
Tue 12 Feb, 2013 04:01 pm
@H2O MAN,
Quote:
That left wing, pro-Obama, pro-gun control ex-cop is about to get his ass shot off...


Bad enough that you post under an alias, H2O...but if you don't have the stomach to even direct your comments of this sort to someone by name, I can understand why you want to carry a gun.
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H2O MAN
 
  -2  
Tue 12 Feb, 2013 04:16 pm


Ex-cop Dorner is currently barricaded in a cabin that is surrounded by a few different heavily armed law enforcement agencies.
spendius
 
  1  
Tue 12 Feb, 2013 04:29 pm
@H2O MAN,
Quote:
A gun gives the criminal a significant advantage over the law abiding American that is unarmed.


We have all got that point I think H2O and it has been good of you to explain it so often.

However, repeating it again for the same audience, as you have had the patience to do so often, does not address the post you purport to be addressing.

Which was--

Quote:
I would be willing to wager that more women have been raped at the point of a gun than women have been saved from rape by owning one.


It would be perfectly logical for you to offer your evasion if gun injuries in the US, fatal or otherwise, were of the order of 2 million a year. It would still be a valid point. Just as pointing to the 2nd would be valid if there were 2 million a month.

If you would stick to the facts and just admit that you like guns, that they make you feel good, you would make sense to me. I know that they do from experience. On my own account and from observing others.

No sooner does one put your other arguments on the test bench on which principles should be examined, according to Bernard Shaw, although it's pretty obvious anyway, and try them with increased tension, they destruct on the first setting of the dial.

The real question for a nation with a deficit of $17 trillion, and rising, is what does your pleasure cost in economic terms? Saving lives is not really that big a deal for the high elites. They couldn't do their job if it was.

H2O MAN
 
  -2  
Tue 12 Feb, 2013 04:52 pm
@spendius,

Spendi, I agree that Obamanomics & ObamaCare are very harmful to this country, but none of those huge issues will matter if Obama's attempts to remove the 2nd amendment from our constitution are successful.
parados
 
  1  
Tue 12 Feb, 2013 04:53 pm
@H2O MAN,
They want to take Dorner's guns away Spurt. You better mount up and go and rescue him before they do it.
H2O MAN
 
  -3  
Tue 12 Feb, 2013 04:57 pm
@parados,

Would you agree that Doner is a criminal, parasite?

Do you agree that criminals should be disarmed?
reasoning logic
 
  0  
Tue 12 Feb, 2013 05:08 pm
@H2O MAN,
Quote:
Would you agree that Doner is a criminal, parasite?


If Obama was the only one he killed would he still be a parasite?
XXSpadeMasterXX
 
  -1  
Tue 12 Feb, 2013 05:31 pm
@BillRM,
McTag wrote:
That means an ordinary woman (no disrespect) in the US habitually goes out equipped, and no doubt prepared, to kill another human.

What kind of mindset is that? What kind of civilisation?

BillRM wrote:
The mindset of a person who happen to live part time in one of the worst areas of this nation as far as violence crime is concern and is not going to be a helpless victim if attacked.




But the very reason there are guns is the reason the criminal has one, and the reason a law abiding American would have to carry one....and may have to kill someone, though not a criminal...

There is no way to know who to follow and restrict guns from...and who is stable enough to possess one...Once the flood gates are open to possess a gun...Both reasons why both parties would even get a gun or possess one, is because our law says that they are legal to possess....No one can predict who is not fit to possess one because they will use it for crime rather than protection, unless there is some form of modifications to determine who the bad guys are, and the law abiding ones are...and a solid way to limit the criminals...

IE demolish all guns...

And to carry guns is not hope Bill, not at all...It is a temporary band-aid...that is all it is...
Frank Apisa
 
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Tue 12 Feb, 2013 05:35 pm
@H2O MAN,
Quote:
Re: parados (Post 5251136)

Would you agree that Doner is a criminal, parasite?

Do you agree that criminals should be disarmed?


I don't know about parados...but in a way, I have got to sorta agree with you here, H2O.

I think criminals and people who show they are psychologically unsuitable for gun ownership should be disarmed.

By the way, H2O...somehow you left out the "people who show they are psychologically unsuitable for gun ownership" part.
H2O MAN
 
  -1  
Tue 12 Feb, 2013 05:45 pm
@XXSpadeMasterXX,


XXXX, why do you insist on ignoring the rule of law like a criminal?
spendius
 
  1  
Tue 12 Feb, 2013 05:51 pm
@reasoning logic,
Quote:
If Obama was the only one he killed would he still be a parasite?


That's a very interesting point. I read an article once by an ex-officer who said he had had a chance to kill Hitler when he already knew the danger he represented.
H2O MAN
 
  -1  
Tue 12 Feb, 2013 05:53 pm
@Frank Apisa,

Have you never had a firearm background check? People with
psychological issues are screened for possible gun ownership.
The mental retard that shot the kids in Newtown failed his
background check when he attempted to buy a gun.
BillRM
 
  0  
Tue 12 Feb, 2013 06:07 pm
@Frank Apisa,
Quote:
But my guess is that the fact that she goes out toting a gun probably makes her less typical of American women than her academic or vocational achievements.

You are free to disagree, of course.


I am happy that you are allowing me to disagree about how "normal" it is for women to be willing to be helpless victims or not............

But then there is no reason to be a typical anything in the US and yes I am very very proud that such a high power lady had become my wife and partner in life.

Oh I forgot to mention that she is the holder of a private pilot license and have the nerve to take the IRA to tax court at one point over whether she could take some of the costs of owning a plane as a business expense off her income taxes and won.

Not even the IRS frighten my wife.
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XXSpadeMasterXX
 
  0  
Tue 12 Feb, 2013 06:10 pm
@H2O MAN,
Because a rule of law, is the FIRST amendment says I have the freedom of speech...Why would you use your freedom to say I act like a criminal when I possess no guns? If the first does not outweigh the second? Why do you use your freedom to defend the second, but blast the chief in command who is the leader of the nation that grants the first and second?
 

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