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Another major school shooting today ... Newtown, Conn

 
 
OmSigDAVID
 
  1  
Sun 6 Jan, 2013 05:02 pm
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:

In making his point, Paul quoted Georgetown University professor Robert Levy, who recently offered this comparison: "Suppose the Second Amendment said, 'A well-educated electorate being necessary for self-governance in a free state, the right of the people to keep and read books shall not be infringed.' Is there anyone who would suggest that means only registered voters have a right to read?"

"Tortured interpretations of the Second Amendment cannot change the fact that both the letter of the amendment itself and the legislative history conclusively show that the Founders intended ordinary citizens to be armed," said Paul.
We still have the public WRITINGS of the citizens of the Founding Generation,
of whom exactly O supported any notion of gun control.
There were NO police; everyone had to take care of himself.





David
H2O MAN
 
  0  
Sun 6 Jan, 2013 05:37 pm


‘MY WIFE IS A HERO’

CRIME
‘MY WIFE IS A HERO’: GEORGIA MOTHER SHOOTS HOME
INTRUDER FIVE TIMES AFTER BEING CORNERED IN ATTIC
OmSigDAVID
 
  1  
Sun 6 Jan, 2013 06:12 pm
@H2O MAN,
She shud get a .44 special for better stopping power.
Load it with hollowpointed slugs.
Criminals don 't like to get shot with hollowpointed slugs.





David
JTT
 
  -1  
Sun 6 Jan, 2013 06:29 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
Put you in a situation like that and the only thing you would hit would be your drawers, Om.
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H2O MAN
 
  -2  
Sun 6 Jan, 2013 07:56 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
OmSigDAVID wrote:

She shud get a .44 special for better stopping power.
Load it with hollowpointed slugs.
Criminals don 't like to get shot with hollowpointed slugs.


Yep and a 9mm Glock loaded with hollow points would have been a
step up in defensive firepower and probably easier for her to shoot.
farmerman
 
  2  
Sun 6 Jan, 2013 09:09 pm
@H2O MAN,
90% of Mafia hit men prefer .22 long rifle slugs .
The remaining use shotguns
H2O MAN
 
  -1  
Sun 6 Jan, 2013 10:19 pm
@farmerman,
Was this a Gallup poll?
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hingehead
 
  1  
Sun 6 Jan, 2013 11:39 pm
@Val Killmore,
Quote:
Now hingehead do you want to me teach you how to spell HYPOCRISY?


How about I teach you how to spell idiocy?

Nice try to sidestep the appalling logic of what you actually wrote:

Quote:
Some actors in this video demanding a "plan" to end gun violence are ******* hypocrites, as they play characters in movies which partake in graphic gun violence.


You say they're hypocrites because they speak against gun violence but they play characters in movies who do gun violence.

My point is that it makes no sense to call an actor a hypocrite if their personal opinions or actions are not those of the characters they portray in a movie. Do you get it? It's a movie. Their job is pretending.

You are perfectly entitled to be unimpressed by their spiel - but it's not because they're hypocrites.

You also should have a look at Godwin's Law - I never compared anything to Hitler or the Nazis. Know your memes.

Your bile-soaked fascination for cum drinking is quite disturbing.
aidan
 
  1  
Mon 7 Jan, 2013 01:45 am
Yeah - and the other way you can look at it is what message do these actors give with their involvement in portraying people who engage in gun use and violence?
Many times they're involved in a project that shows the actual harm that can be and IS caused by gun violence...you know? I mean, even when I was a little girl watching cowboy or war movies with my Dad and I saw people getting hurt or killed by guns, the lesson I took away was, 'Guns are very dangerous....they can hurt and kill people...you wouldn't ever want to play with a gun...' so instead of being hypocrites and giving the a-ok to gun violence, actually, in reality, they might be achieving the opposite with their work.
Just like people who portray drug addicts in movies often end up portraying or illustrating the message - 'Drugs are very harmful - they most often ruin peoples' lives instead of giving the message - 'drugs will make your life happy and fulfilled.'
I think the only people who walk away from most depictions of gun violence thinking, 'Hey - I want to cause havoc like that,' are the people who are mentally ill and god help us, have easy access to guns.

*In case it's not clear - I'm responding to Val Kilmore.
OmSigDAVID
 
  2  
Mon 7 Jan, 2013 01:52 am
@farmerman,
farmerman wrote:
90% of Mafia hit men prefer .22 long rifle slugs.
The remaining use shotguns
R u sure that u asked all 1OO% of the Mafia hit men ?
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McTag
 
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Mon 7 Jan, 2013 03:31 am
@OmSigDAVID,

Quote:
There were NO police


And now?

Gosh yes, there are.
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izzythepush
 
  1  
Mon 7 Jan, 2013 03:34 am
@OmSigDAVID,
OmSigDAVID wrote:
We still have the public WRITINGS of the citizens of the Founding Generation,
of whom exactly O supported any notion of gun control.
There were NO police; everyone had to take care of himself.


They had precious little in the way of public sanitation as well, but that doesn't mean we should all start shitting out the window.
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BillRM
 
  2  
Mon 7 Jan, 2013 06:37 am
@oralloy,
Quote:
He just lied and said he was because the anti-gunners are gullible and easily deceived. It was a convenient way to get them to pipe down and stop making a fuss.


A GOP president that is a liar I did not think that was possible in your world view. Razz
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BillRM
 
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Mon 7 Jan, 2013 06:41 am
@farmerman,
Quote:
90% of Mafia hit men prefer .22 long rifle slugs .
The remaining use shotguns


Have little to do with the situation of dealing with a home invader by a homeowner but I will agree and my wife will agree that a shotgun is always a helpful weapon to have around.

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Val Killmore
 
  0  
Mon 7 Jan, 2013 11:04 am
@hingehead,
Quote:
Nice try to sidestep the appalling logic ...


Nice to know you're an idiot and I didn't sidestep the logic.
Let me explain it to you more clearly fuckhead, I meant hingehead.
If Hollywood movie stars are going to “sermon” people on gun control and violent video games, looking at their own work is only fair game, and their work includes the glamorization of the use of guns in a manner that is far removed from reality in order to get paid.

And while you're at using stupid comparisons and analogies, such as actors playing role of hitler, how about these stars speak out against violence against homosexuals, for example, and then take on roles that glamorizes violence against homosexuals? And in these roles – like many uses of weapons in film – the violence isn’t portrayed as horrendous, but instead is used to titillate the audience, to get them engaged, get them cheering for the "protagonist" character who is glamorizing the titillating violent actions against gays.
Of course, that's not ok.

Leftist Hollywood is only too happy to profit off of the image of guns and gun culture while at the same time pointing fingers that guns are the fault and demanding that real, law-abiding gun owners give up some of their rights to assuage their consciences and help them feel like they’re “doing something.” All the while these A-listers are shadowed 24/7 by armed guards. Thus an another facet of their hypocrisy. The reality is that there is no easy answer and there is no place to lay blame in these situations except at the feet of the perpetrators.

hinghead wrote:
You also should have a look at Godwin's Law - I never compared anything to Hitler or the Nazis. Know your memes.


Remember it's just not comparisons, it's also references, so I'll let fuckhead's own words speak for itself....

hingehead wrote:
Anyone who has played Hitler should pay war reparations and be sentenced to death


inordinately referencing actors who play hitler and changing the subject of the topic from actors who glamorizes gun violence to punishing those who have played hitler. You just had to bring in hitler into the discussion right?
Val Killmore
 
  0  
Mon 7 Jan, 2013 11:04 am
@aidan,
Quote:
Many times they're involved in a project that shows the actual harm that can be and IS caused by gun violence...you know?

I wish, but sadly, no!
Many times, the protagonist with the guns is glamorized with swagger followed by muzzle flashing action.

aidan wrote:
I mean, even when I was a little girl watching cowboy or war movies with my Dad and I saw people getting hurt or killed by guns, the lesson I took away was, 'Guns are very dangerous....they can hurt and kill people...you wouldn't ever want to play with a gun...' so instead of being hypocrites and giving the a-ok to gun violence, actually, in reality, they might be achieving the opposite with their work.


ooooooh what good little girl.
I'd like to add that the "action" movies made today are more violent than the ones you remember when you were a little girl.
In reality, almost all of the work in the R-rated "action" department seeks is to gain profit by telling stories as never been told before, without a care about how or what the effects on society will be, for ex. desensitization, embellishing immoral behaviors, etc.

aidan wrote:
I think the only people who walk away from most depictions of gun violence thinking, 'Hey - I want to cause havoc like that,' are the people who are mentally ill and god help us, have easy access to guns.

Good that you brought this up.
People generally over simplify the tortured minds that do these kind of things. Is it really beyond imagination that these sick individuals do watch a "shoot up everybody" movie and think "That looks great. I would like to try it some day." and that extremely easy access to guns does not facilitate turning the fantasy into action? That they can choose to make this fantasy into reality by other methods?

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DrewDad
 
  3  
Mon 7 Jan, 2013 11:19 am
@Val Killmore,
Calling your opponent names and cursing always shores up your credibility.
H2O MAN
 
  -2  
Mon 7 Jan, 2013 11:26 am
@DrewDad,
DrewDad wrote:

Calling your opponent names and cursing always shores up your credibility.

Is this a direct quote from today's liberal democrat talking points?
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Val Killmore
 
  0  
Mon 7 Jan, 2013 11:38 am
@DrewDad,
Thank you for such a tip, oh wise master.
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BillRM
 
  0  
Mon 7 Jan, 2013 11:47 am
@aidan,
Quote:
I think the only people who walk away from most depictions of gun violence thinking, 'Hey - I want to cause havoc like that,' are the people who are mentally ill and god help us, have easy access to guns.


Violence gun or otherwise in and of itself is neither morally good or bad at least out of content.

A man or a woman defending his or her children lives by using needed violence is not morally bad nor is the allies in WW2 stopping Hitler with overwhelming violence bad.

In Miami area news somehow a rare bobcat got into a man garage and attacked him and a child and only by the used of a gun was the attacked stop.

Thank god there was a gun in the house that his wife could get to.

http://bostonglobe.com/metro/2013/01/07/surprise-garage-bobcat-attacks-brookfield-man-and-his-year-old-nephew/LZkR9nhQwph2RAALEE2ewM/story.html

Bobcat attack leaves Brookfield man, nephew bloodied
By Evan Allen | Globe Correspondent January 07, 2013


Save Roger Mundell Jr. had gone into his Brookfield garage when he heard a hiss. Then, from behind his wife’s car, the bobcat lunged, sinking its fangs into Mundell’s face and wrapping its front legs around his torso.

“It was on me in a split second,” he said Sunday, hours after the attack. “I have bite marks in my eyelid, up my forehead. It scratched my back. I was bleeding like crazy.”

After the bobcat attacked both Mundell and his 15-year-old nephew, they were able to pin the animal to the ground and shoot it in the head. Environmental Police took its remains to test it for rabies, according to a spokesman for the state Executive Office of Energy and Environmental Affairs, but test results were not available Sunday night.

Mundell, his nephew, and his wife spent much of the day in the hospital, getting rabies treatments, according to Mundell. His wife, he said, was not bitten, but got the bobcat’s blood on her hands after he shot the animal.

Bobcats are not an unusual sight near Mundell’s home, which sits on 90 acres one-quarter mile from Route 9 in Brookfield, but Mundell said the big cats have never been a problem.

“This is completely out of character for a bobcat, even to be in the garage in the first place,” said Tom French, assistant director for the state Division of Fisheries and Wildlife. “It is completely consistent with an animal that may have rabies.”

French said there has been maybe one other bobcat attack in Massachusetts.

No one keeps statistics on how many bobcats there are in the state, said French, because the creatures normally avoid humans. But from Worcester County westward, he said, they are common, and spreading east, too, though they have not crossed the Cape Cod Canal.

On Sunday, Mundell, 53, said he was thankful that it was him, not his wife or nephew, who walked into the garage.

“It would have killed my wife,” he said. “I know it would have.”

Mundell said he was lucky to be wearing a thick jacket. When the bobcat attacked him, he managed to pull the jacket — with the bobcat clinging to it — over his head, throwing the 40-pound animal off. Bleeding, he ran for the door. As he slammed it behind him, he heard the bobcat thud into the glass.

All he could think of, he said, was his 15-year-old nephew in the front yard. As Mundell raced to warn him, the bobcat emerged and pounced, biting the teenager on the forearm.

“I went and I don’t know what I did — I strangled it, I choked it,” said Mundell.

His wife ran inside to get their Smith & Wesson Bodyguard 380. Mundell shot the bobcat while kneeling on its neck and body.

“I shot it twice just to make sure,” said Mundell.

“I used everything I had to do it,” he said. “You don’t test it, you do it.”



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