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Another major school shooting today ... Newtown, Conn

 
 
jcboy
 
  2  
Sat 5 Jan, 2013 08:49 am
@H2O MAN,
H2O MAN wrote:

No. In fact it's not too late to start discussing arming teachers and staff.


Just when I thought your last post was the dumbest thing I ever read you come along and top it with this one. Razz
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Ragman
 
  1  
Sat 5 Jan, 2013 09:07 am
@H2O MAN,
Why not just have the military teaching the children?

Fercrissakes, thinking is not your strong suit, apparently!
H2O MAN
 
  -2  
Sat 5 Jan, 2013 09:13 am
@Ragman,
Ragman wrote:

Why not just have the military teaching the children?


Why not continue to prove that you're an idiot.

You and your ilk are less equipped to discuss topics rationally than ever before.
Frank Apisa
 
  1  
Sat 5 Jan, 2013 09:14 am
@H2O MAN,
Quote:
Re: tsarstepan (Post 5194780)



No. In fact it's not too late to start discussing arming teachers and staff.

Arm some teachers and staff and see what happens the next time a mentally
ill person or terrorists enters a government school with evil intentions.


And I suppose we are also to disregard all the people who will be killed accidentally by the vastly increased firearms in the schools...and by the teachers or staff members who go postal????
Region Philbis
 
  2  
Sat 5 Jan, 2013 09:14 am
@H2O MAN,
Quote:
I am tired of butting heads with 'online' individuals.
what happened to you, Buoy?
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H2O MAN
 
  -3  
Sat 5 Jan, 2013 09:15 am
@Frank Apisa,
The world you choose to exist in must be perfect.
Frank Apisa
 
  1  
Sat 5 Jan, 2013 09:18 am
@H2O MAN,
Nope...but I am not fighting like you are to screw it up even more.
H2O MAN
 
  -2  
Sat 5 Jan, 2013 09:20 am
@Frank Apisa,
Frank Apisa wrote:

Nope...but I am not fighting like you are to screw it up even more.


Then you are delusional because nothing that you have posted addresses the problem.
The ideas & solutions described by you and your ilk will only exacerbate the situation.
firefly
 
  2  
Sat 5 Jan, 2013 09:21 am
@oralloy,
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-tE9-w9uGayk/UNYabUzZazI/AAAAAAABRsc/qVKKbZ_ficA/s320/93833255-nra.jpg
H2O MAN
 
  -3  
Sat 5 Jan, 2013 09:28 am
@firefly,



Plenty of Batshit Crazy liberal democrats are protected by guns.

Why would these same people deprive teachers & staff their right to defend themselves and the children?

Do liberal democrats get off on killing unarmed & defenseless citizens?
parados
 
  4  
Sat 5 Jan, 2013 09:32 am
@oralloy,
oralloy wrote:


Quote:

Why? The founders had a gun census. They went door to door to ask who had guns and recorded it.
http://www.guncite.com/gun_control_bellesiles_plby.html


I like your taste in websites. Very Happy

Anyway: Because the government is not to be trusted with gun registration. Pushes to register guns are just a preliminary move in a plot to seize those guns.

So the government could be trusted to count guns when the Constitution was written but now you think the Constitution means the government can't count guns?
parados
 
  4  
Sat 5 Jan, 2013 09:34 am
@oralloy,
oralloy wrote:

parados wrote:
I suppose it just stands to reason that you would be stupid enough to stand there and let someone threatening you with a knife or gasoline walk up to you.


You make it sound a lot easier to avoid close contact than it really is.

Actually, it is. If someone starts knifing people it's much easier to avoid being knifed than it is to avoid being shot if someone starts shooting people.
In one case you only need to run faster than the person holding the knife. In the other case you have to run faster than a bullet.
H2O MAN
 
  -3  
Sat 5 Jan, 2013 09:45 am
@parados,


Why would liberal democrats deprive teachers & staff their right to defend themselves and the children?

Do liberal democrats get off on the killing of unarmed & defenseless citizens?
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H2O MAN
 
  -1  
Sat 5 Jan, 2013 09:49 am
@H2O MAN,


Thank God this mother of twins was armed

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firefly
 
  3  
Sat 5 Jan, 2013 09:58 am
Quote:
Pelosi talked about a lot of things: the debt ceiling, House Republican chaos, immigration and entitlements. And I’ll come back to the debt ceiling in a later post. But it was the former House speaker’s comments on gun control that deserve attention right now.

“We don’t talk about ‘gun control.’ We talk about ‘gun violence prevention.’ That contains a lot of things, [including] ending the sale of high-capacity assault magazines,” Pelosi said, discussing the raw political calculus involved in swaying public debate. “We are also instructed to say [not] a ban on assault weapons [but] a ban on the sale of assault weapons because the other side then takes it as a confiscation of weapons….”

This is all very smart. “Gun violence prevention” and the focus on the “sale of” rather than the “ban on” assault weapons focuses the debate where it should have been for decades now. Despite what the right says, the discussion has never been about taking guns away from people. It has been about ensuring that those who own guns get them legally and that the guns they buy don’t unduly threaten public safety. And no one has yet to give me a legitimate reason why I or anyone else outside of the military should be able to buy an assault weapon.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-partisan/wp/2013/01/04/nancy-pelosi-wont-duck-gun-violence/


Quote:

Thompson announces vice chairs for Gun Violence Prevention Task Force
04 January 2013
Lake County News reports

Congressman Mike Thompson (CA-5), chair of a congressional Gun Violence Prevention Task Force, on Friday announced 12 vice chairs to serve on the task force.

The vice chairs and Thompson will make up the task force’s leadership team.

“I am proud to announce our leadership team for the Gun Violence Prevention Task Force,” said Thompson. “Our vice chairs have a wide range of expertise, come from different backgrounds representing all corners of the House Democratic Caucus, and will bring unique ideas to the table as we work to reduce and prevent gun violence while also protecting the rights of law-abiding individuals without a history of dangerous mental illness to own legitimate firearms for legitimate purposes.”

Thompson was recently named by House Democratic Leader Nancy Pelosi to chair a congressional task force on reducing and preventing gun violence.

Thompson is a hunter, gun owner, former chair of the Congressional Sportsmen’s Caucus, and veteran who carried a military-style assault weapon during a tour in Vietnam.

He is hosting three public forums on preventing gun violence next week – in Napa on Jan. 8, Vallejo on Jan. 9 and Santa Rosa on Jan. 10.

The 12 vice chairs are:
Rep. Ron Barber (AZ) – Congressman Barber had a 30-year career with the Division of Developmental Disabilities in the Arizona Department of Economic Security. Under his direction, the division improved services for families, while running one of the five most cost-efficient, high-quality programs in the country. After his retirement, Barber became district director for Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords. He was standing next to her on Jan. 8, 2011, when a gunman opened fire at a Congress on Your Corner event. Barber was shot twice and critically wounded. When Congresswoman Giffords stepped down to focus on her recovery, Barber ran for the seat, winning the right to succeed her in office.

Rep. John D. Dingell (MI) – Congressman John D. Dingell is the Dean of the House of Representatives and a senior member of the House Committee on Energy and Commerce. A lifelong outdoorsman and conservationist, Congressman Dingell is an avid hunter and sportsman and member of the Migratory Bird Conservation Commission. Congressman Dingell is also one of the primary authors of the National Instant Criminal Background Check System Improvement Amendments Act of 2007.

Rep. Bill Enyart (IL) – Bill Enyart is the retired Major General of the Illinois National Guard and served in the military for 35 years. He is a proud gun owner, enjoys hunting, and is a conservationist.

Rep. Elizabeth Esty (CT) – Elizabeth Esty represents Newtown, Ct in Congress. In the wake of the Newtown tragedy, she has met with first responders, mental health professionals, educators, community leaders, and local elected officials in Newtown. She approaches the need for sensible gun policies as a community leader, attorney, and mother who has served as a room parent for a first-grade classroom. As a member of the Connecticut State House of Representatives, Esty advocated for commonsense legislation to reduce gun violence and keep families safe.

Rep. Chaka Fattah (PA) – Ranking Member on House Appropriations subcommittee on Commerce, Justice, Science, and related agencies. Fattah, a major supporter of the ATF, is deeply involved in issues dealing with firearms, public safety and law enforcement. In Philadelphia, he created the successful gun buyback “Groceries for Guns” program that has removed thousands of dangerous, unwanted firearms from streets and homes of Philadelphians in exchange for grocery coupons.

Rep. Carolyn McCarthy (NY) – Congresswoman McCarthy, a lifelong nurse, strode into a life of activism to reduce gun violence after her husband was murdered and son critically wounded in the 1993 mass shooting on the Long Island Railroad in New York. Her activism led her to Washington first to lobby members of Congress as an advocate for victims, and then as a member herself after running against her own congressman who voted against the assault weapons ban. Today she is the House sponsor of bills to ban high-capacity ammunition magazines, close the gunshow loophole, strengthen our national background check database, and ban the anonymous bulk online sale of ammunition. Later this month she will also introduce a new assault weapons ban with Congressman Ed Perlmutter and Senator Dianne Feinstein.

Rep. Grace Napolitano (CA) – Congresswoman Grace F. Napolitano is the founder and co-chair of the Congressional Mental Health Caucus. In 2001, she secured funding to provide on-site mental health services for schools within her District, which has now expanded to 15 area schools. Napolitano introduced the Mental Health in Schools Act, authorizing funding to implement on-site mental health services for schools on a national level and each year has introduced legislation recognizing May as National Mental Health Awareness Month. In 2010, Napolitano created the Mental Health Task Force, which includes notable figures such as: Los Angeles Laker, Metta World Peace; World Championship Boxer, Mia St. John, and Dancing with the Stars celebrity, Mark Ballas to help raise awareness about mental health, rid stigma, and encourage others to seek help. Additionally, Napolitano established the 38th Congressional District Mental Health Consortium, a group of local mental health professionals in her District to help advise on mental health related issues and policy.

Rep. Ed Perlmutter (CO) – Congressman Ed Perlmutter represents the 7th Congressional District of Colorado encompassing the northern and western suburbs of the Denver metro region. Residents of the 7th CD are diverse, moderate and middle of the road with their personal values, economics, and education. Perlmutter represented the City of Aurora, CO during the tragic movie theater shootings in July 2012. He also represented the area surrounding Columbine High School when he was serving in the Colorado State Senate. Perlmutter has extensive experience in Colorado working to create mandatory criminal background checks for all gun purchases, and during his time in the state Senate, he sponsored many crime control and victims' assistance measures.

Rep. David Price (NC) – Congressman David Price of North Carolina is the ranking member of the House Homeland Security Appropriations Subcommittee, where he has worked to improve public safety and ensure first responders have access to the tools they need to protect our communities. As a member of the Congressional Mental Health Caucus, he has long supported robust funding for mental health services and was an early advocate for the Paul Wellstone Mental Health Parity Act, which became law in the 110th Congress. Rep. Price has also supported efforts to keep guns out of the hands of dangerous criminals and limit the sale of military-style weapons.

Rep. Bobby Scott (VA) – Congressman Bobby Scott serves as the Ranking Member of the House Judiciary Subcommittee on Crime, Terrorism, and Homeland Security. He is a known leader of legislative efforts to reduce crime and prevent youth violence by advocating for comprehensive, evidence-based solutions. Towards this goal, he has introduced the Youth PROMISE Act. Following the Columbine tragedy, he co-led a bi-partisan effort to develop juvenile crime prevention and accountability legislation that resulted in the Juvenile Accountability Block Grant Program (JABG) legislation which was cosponsored by every member of the Crime Subcommittee on both sides of the aisle and passed into law in 2002. He has also co-led bipartisan legislative efforts to add fines and suspensions to the tools available to the ATF to enable the agency to more effectively enforce gun sale and transfer regulations and to close the gun show loophole.

Rep. Jackie Speier (CA) – Congresswoman Speier was Legislative Counsel to Congressman Leo Ryan in 1978 when she accompanied him to investigate the People’s Temple cult in Jonestown, Guyana. Congressman Ryan was assassinated, and Speier was shot five times at close range. She still carries two of the bullets in her body. Since that time, she has been a consistent advocate of gun control, and carried assault weapons ban legislation in California twenty years ago. She supports the 2nd Amendment, but believes we cannot simply blame this crisis on violent video games or mental illness. The proliferation of military style assault weapons and assault magazines are part of the problem, and should be banned. In addition, she believes it is essential that loopholes in the background check process be closed.

Rep. Bennie Thompson (MS) – An avid hunter, Congressman Bennie Thompson has been selected to chair the bipartisan Congressional Sportsman’s Caucus during the 113th Congress. Congressman Thompson has served as the lead Democrat on the House Committee on Homeland Security since 2007. Prior to his election to Congress, Congressman Thompson served as alderman and mayor of Bolton, Mississippi and as a supervisor in Hinds, County Mississippi.

Over the next month the task force will hold a number of meetings and hearings with different experts designed to identify the best policies to reduce and prevent gun violence.

A comprehensive set of policy proposals will be released by the task force in early February.

http://www.lakeconews.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=28921:thompson-announces-vice-chairs-for-gun-violence-prevention-task-force&catid=1:latest&Itemid=197
Frank Apisa
 
  2  
Sat 5 Jan, 2013 09:59 am
@H2O MAN,
Quote:
Quote:
Re: Frank Apisa (Post 5218469)
Frank Apisa wrote:

Nope...but I am not fighting like you are to screw it up even more.



Then you are delusional because nothing that you have posted addresses the problem.
The ideas & solutions described by you and your ilk will only exacerbate the situation.


You never did answer my earlier question, H2O...and I suspect it is because you realize that your "ideas and solutions" are the ones which will exacerbate the situation. If either of us is "delusional" it is you...not I.

Here it is again, if you want to give it a try:

In response to your suggestion to arm teachers and staff…and see what happens, I asked:


And I suppose we are also to disregard all the people who will be killed accidentally by the vastly increased firearms in the schools...and by the teachers or staff members who go postal????

It is an honest and reasonable question, since there are so many accidental deaths due to shootings in homes where guns are kept.

C’mon, H2O. Answer it…and then we can discuss whose “ideas and solutions” are more likely to exacerbate the situation.
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BillRM
 
  -1  
Sat 5 Jan, 2013 10:02 am
@Frank Apisa,
Quote:
And I suppose we are also to disregard all the people who will be killed accidentally by the vastly increased firearms in the schools...and by the teachers or staff members who go postal????


Oh? How many passengers had been shot by armed sky marshals and armed pilots to date?

H2O MAN
 
  -3  
Sat 5 Jan, 2013 10:07 am
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:

Quote:
And I suppose we are also to disregard all the people who will be killed accidentally by the vastly increased firearms in the schools...and by the teachers or staff members who go postal????


Oh? How many passengers had been shot by armed sky marshals and armed pilots to date?




Also, the vast majority of government school teachers & staff are liberal democrats, why would there be any fear of them 'going postal'?
BillRM
 
  0  
Sat 5 Jan, 2013 10:08 am
@H2O MAN,
Quote:
Do liberal democrats get off on killing unarmed & defenseless citizens?


Insulting the millions of liberal democrats who support gun rights and the 2 amendment does not serve your purposes at all well.

So is it more important to you to support guns rights or to be insulting democrats?
H2O MAN
 
  -2  
Sat 5 Jan, 2013 10:09 am
@BillRM,


A2Ks liberal democrats dish out insults all the time, it is best that you focus on them.
 

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