NASTY SANDY CHURNING UP THE COAST

Still waiting Farmerman and anyone else on links to stories of anyone being killed in Seaside Heights during Hurricane Sandy.

i got the wrong location....it was tottenville

http://www.silive.com/southshore/index.ssf/2012/10/staten_island_girl_killed_by_h.html

I've never had earthquake insurance and I've been through a zillion earthquakes, some significant, but we were not at the epicenter of those. California bungalows were pretty good in them, rolling with the rolls and jerking with the jerks. I did perk up the foundation of "beach cottage circa 1906" (what it said on the sales slip). Year estimates vary, but somewhere around there.

I've got views similar to yours, Beth, re people who live where Malibu Canyon Road lets out at the Pacific Ocean.. including a friend's property. I suspect that area will always be a fire outlet, depending on the plant growth in a given year. I've other issues than insurance, though, re ocean front access, including visual.
Also re saving houses as a prime fire fighting mode, my view varying depending on where they are sited.

I've a bias to living lightly on land, so I'd be fine with a few shacks.

Thanks Hawkeye for the info.

I did not think anyone got kill in seaside heights but I had not hear from Farmerman yet with his claims of deaths in my old home town during Sandy.

"Using force to remove people" is quite different than "Using dead;y force" (which is what you intimated) Dont be silly please.

With the unseasonably cold weathe and the news that a noreaster may be in the near forecats, its going to be a difficult few days and weeks for many of the affetced people.

I wish there were more local 501's who render aid (other than the Red Cross. The Red Cross , in my mind wastes too much of our money on salaries and administration)

We donate money to the Amish relief and the Bishops relief funds cause their own summaries show that a very high percentage of the donated money gets back to the people, not the administrators .

I'm with you on many issues and support your choice to pick a charity that you feel is efficient (preferably local) in this emergency.

However, that being said, I too was concerned about ARC (American Red Cross) and their salary structure and relative efficency of how they utilize donations.

Check out the following Snopes.com Urban Myth-buster site where it discusses the ARC and other charities and how they compensate their CEO and officers.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/business/charities.asp

Snopes cites figures that indicate ARC is 92% efficient, much higher than 39% figure often bandied about in media. They quote Forbes Magazine and the Charity Navigator is their info resources. Interestingly, they site that the current CEO is Gail J. McGovern and her last reported total salary compensation is at $1.03M.

Furthermore, one of the most important functions of ARC that affects emegency response is distribution of blood and blood products to emergency sites. There is a lot of waste here and many blood donations can and do go to waste. The delivery chain time to get to the patients can exceed the short shelf life of the blood and blood products.

"Government data suggest that 5% to 14% of ­donated pints are discarded every year. Some spoil in shipping--red blood cells have a shelf life of 42 days, platelets 5 days--some are wasted at hospitals."

This is not just a problem of a charity such as the ARC but all blood collections distributers. The system has relied on antiquated methods and there are players that are working to improve this vital function.

When arm agents of the state come to your door and order you to leave it is imply that they will use whatever force is needed to enforce that order up to deadly force with special note in the cases where they already stated they will use force as needed to carry out that order.

In the city of brotherly love the police was once willing to drop a bomb from a helicopter in order to enforce a civil eviction order that resulted in the deaths of a numbers of people including children and the burning down of 50 homes or so.

Now how about a link to those deaths you claimed happen in seaside heights during Sandy?

I got my power back earlier today. Good timing. The last cubes of ice in my cooler box were just about to melt. On the downside, I'm out of excuses for not working, now that my computer is back up and running.

few cops think like you, (I hope). They would be facing criminal charges for using deadly force.
As far as the MOVE incident in Phillym several police officers were shot and two killed by MOVE, the eviction was not a peaceful one to even start with. The MOVE house in Powellton was armed to the teeth and neighbors were being terrorized. It wasnt an eviction it was a service of a warrant. The use of a Tovex "roof opener" was ill advised I do agree on that. But the police were already in an armed conflict so your comparison of MOVE with getting people out of flooded and falling homes is the difference between lightning and a lightning bug

good news T . I hope you can finish all the surprise leftovers. The ;last time we were qiyhout power(It was a hurricane that came up the Chesapeake and when it passed by, the quick change of the wind from the NE then coming from the West, led to a number of toradoes that chwwed up our power lines and we were without poqer for almost a week. SO we made lota pies out of the frozen fruits and berries, we cooked a turkey and had the neighbors up and I got a trunkload of dry ice. (WHich, by the way, didnt work as well as we wanted) Instead of just keeping **** cool, the CO2 enhanced the speed of ripening )and overripening of tomatoes and potatoes and other veggies

<tap tap> Is this thing on?

Ill rad that SNopes thing. I didnt ignore you, I just missed your post because it was followed by some others . Sorry.

If the 92% thing is correct, I stand humbed and corrected.I alway was a skeptic about how some of these charities were so damnIN efficiient when the Catholic Relife/Bishops Relief and the AMish Relief were over 90% services with their donations

There are any numbers of cases of the police instead of backing away had used lethal force and off hand I do not remember any police officer having been kill in the MOVE battle but I will need to check on that to be sure.

What got me is no police office was punished for their actions and not even the helicopter pilot had have his FAA license revoked and there is no exception to the rule that non-military pilots can not drop bombs from aircrafts.

Now how about you backing up your claims that people was killed in Seaside Heights from the storm?????????

for you Bill


http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/superstorm-sandy-reminds-us-why-its-easy-to-underestimate-danger/2012/11/02/51ccf764-2441-11e2-ac85-e669876c6a24_story_1.html

blame technology , not its use . Bills bullshit fails to recognize that we send out news and data BECAUSE WE NOW CAN. 50 years ago, when Bill was a young man, they still used telegraphs and semaphor.
So, rather than making points on the obvious, look at what technology has allowed us to do. the strengths of our forecatsing are amazing compared to that of the gilded age when such storms would hve wreaked thousands of dead nd (were the coasts so loded with people then) Gazillions of dollars of dmage.

You and Bill are luddite, cause we wont stop advancing our skills and our engineering

what initiated the entire MOVE incidents were a seris of gun infractions followed by a cop being shot in a service of warrant. The MOVE people testified that the cop was friendly fired (bullshit of course cause it was not cop ammo)
MOVE then moved to Powellton Village and began assaulting neighbors and threatening folks (and cops with weapons).
The attempt to breach was done with a TOVEX component which can be pyrophoric nd start fires. The rest was a few pounds of C-4 as a breachng tool. The cops (in the ensuing investigations) were heavily criticized by forensic expwerts and wxploive experts for th choices of explosives (not the fcat that they attemptd to breach with an explosive) 4 pounds is a small charge on a building.

Prior to the breach, there was an xchange of gunfire precipitated by MOVErs firing at neighbors nd cops on a perimeter. The cops were outguessed by MOVE perps and came out looking more stupid than anything.

The comparison of MOVE with this is just ludicrous and you know it so dont give us that **** that "you want to check it out more" . The two incidents have totally zilch in common and your hint of the use of deadly force to assist neighbors leave their washed away homes is just stupid. The people have a good argument in that they wish to protect any remainingvaluables from looters and the authorities only want their citizens not to be killed or harmed. (They have altruism AND political self interest in mind.)

i am pretty sure that bills point as well as the author quoted is that the media sells fear because there is profit in it. i take it that you dont believe that technology is morally neutral, that it can be used for both good and bad....

but to be honest I just wanted an excuse to enter the great phrase "storm porn".

It is used for what it is used for, and that is as a profit making machine. That is an amoral position.
Your entire point is a Luddite view. Mot of the planet has "gotten it" . A 24 hour news cycle has no morality or immorality, it just is a business model.
See, thats why newspapers re in trouble. You and Bill belong to the once a day newsprint world (which now gets many of its stories from the news cycle machines). MAybe we should BAN the eather channel nd throw away our smart phones (But werent you the one bitching about connectivity a few months ago?)

i sad "good" and "bad" which can mean "healthy" and "unhealthy". at this point I believe that the destruction of journalism by advancing technology has had a most unhealthy effect on the collective, it has vastly advanced our ignorance and emotional ill health. and i certainly believe that using methods for personal financial profit which come at the expense of the greater good is immoral, and so should you.