@georgeob1,
georgeob1 wrote:
snood wrote:
I think its interesting how a couple of folks have had to stop by and make the point that yeah, some whites might vote for Romney because he's white but not nearly as much as blacks who vote for Obama because he's black! Don't you think that's interesting?
I'm not aware that anyone here made such an assertion.
Actually I made a point approaching snood's assertion:
I wrote:I've no doubt that a great many white people will vote for Romney because he is white just as an even greater number of black people will vote for Obama because he is black.
For some reason snood finds this interesting, which in itself is interesting.
I don't know if he thought he was going to get a series of numerical responses, or, if he believes anyone could know the answer to his question, or if in fact he has the actual number in a sealed envelope waiting to be opened on November 7th, but maybe he'll tell us (or already has further along the thread).
This is a discussion forum and a thread isn't of much value here if it doesn't stimulate discussion and one rational vein of discussion would have to be
why white voters might vote for Romney because he is white. If one premise is based on identification with the candidate, it makes perfect sense to address the aspect of black people voting for Obama because he is black, since therein lies a potentially clearer demonstration of the principle of identification.
Although snood tends to view everything through the lens of racism, there is certainly nothing overarchingly racist about blacks voting for Obama because he is a black man. Given the history of blacks in this country versus the history of whites it makes perfect sense that a greater percentage of them would vote for Obama because he is black than of whites voting for Romney because he is white.
As it so happens, this black man is a Democrat and so a great percentage of blacks would be voting for him irrespective of his color, and therefore it's no more possible to draw a firm conclusion on identification among blacks voters than it is for white voters. It is entirely understandable, however why a black voter might have voted for the black candidate in 2008 and again in 2012 even if that candidate didn't fully represent his core political beliefs. While 2004 represented a historical watershed for the nation, it's significance, arguably, was much greater for blacks than white.
I actually have to modify my intial comment quoted above. If the question is how many white people will vote for Romney
solely because he is white and not black, I believe the answer is relatively few, but in such cases the reason probably is racism.
I still think a greater percentage of blacks will vote for Obama solely becaue he is black (albeit also relatively few in number) and while distrust and anger may in part be motivating them, I would suspect that it will have more to do with self-identification.
I also think though that a reasonable argument can be made that a fair number of white voters in 2004 voted for Barack Obama
primarily because he is black which in a twisted way could have been a result of a certain racism. (See Shelby Steele's comments in the movie 2016), but most people prefer to perceive that as benign behavior and, in the main, I think it was.
In any case, I'm afraid that I can't help but skip past the faux innocent curiosity of snood's question to the obvious conclusion. It is the same conclusion that is, of late, springing up in the liberal opinion pieces in the media: The fall off in white support for Obama, from 2008 to 2012, is due to racism, and not genuine disappointment in his performance as president over the last four years.
Should Obama win in November, the subject will quickly fade away, despite the fact that his support among whites will still, undoubtedly have dropped. If he loses however, we now know (if there was any prior doubt) of what the explanation from the left will be.
Whether or not it will stir civil unrest I suppose depends on the margin of a Romney victory and the extent of allegations of voter suppression. We could be in for rough seas.