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Tonight's Presidential Candidate Debate...

 
 
Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Wed 17 Oct, 2012 08:20 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Crazy that Romney used the exact formulation of words that Obama did, and claimed Obama didn't say that. Poor debate prep, or what? Surely he had to be coached extensively on this issue beforehand.

And here's the video of Obama setting him up on it -



Note the 'I'm fucked' look on Romney's face, as he realizes that this isn't going to turn out well for him.

Cycloptichorn
Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Wed 17 Oct, 2012 08:26 pm
Here's the more important question, though: what overall point about the president is this line of attack supposed to reveal?

Cycloptichorn
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Wed 17 Oct, 2012 08:31 pm
@Cycloptichorn,
There's great consternation on the conservative side; they're complaining about everything except for the fact that Romney was bulldozed last night.

There's a dead man standing. Mr. Green

I'm pretty sure that the last nail in the coffin will be placed in place next week.

There's just too much Romney has to lie to keep alive, and that's going to be his downfall.

***I've been writing to President Obama from early this year that all he needed to do was attack Romney's lies to win this election.***

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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Wed 17 Oct, 2012 08:38 pm
Yeah, I really don't think the foreign policy debate is going to be Romney's strong ground at all.

Cycloptichorn
DrewDad
 
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Reply Wed 17 Oct, 2012 09:04 pm
@McGentrix,
ZOMG! A media figure latches onto a perceived controversy and tries to milk it! I'm amazed! Amazed, I tell you!
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H2O MAN
 
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Reply Thu 18 Oct, 2012 08:42 am
@Cycloptichorn,


Romney is going to crush Obama in this 3rd and final debate.
gungasnake
 
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Reply Thu 18 Oct, 2012 08:49 am
@H2O MAN,
Quote:
Romney is going to crush Obama in this 3rd and final debate.


He actually won the second debate if you look at the reality of the thing, i.e. that the two men were/are basically trying to convince that remaining 5 - 10 percent of low-information content voters. Dick Morris notes:

Quote:


By scoring big on the economy, gas prices, and Libya, Romney continued his victorious string of debate wins. He looked more presidential than Obama did and showed himself to be an articulate, capable, attractive, compassionate leader with sound ideas.

Obama came over as boorish and Biden-esque. He did not learn from his Vice President's mistakes. When a president gets into a bar room brawl, he loses his dignity and his aura, key assets for an incumbent. Romney was polite but firm. Obama seemed quarrelsome, frustrated, nasty, and cranky.

But the key reason for the Romney win was substantive:

1. Romney made very clear the case against Obama's economic record and Obama's rebuttal about 5 million jobs was pathetic.

2. Romney injected the China issue, big time, and tapped into a strong public sentiment on the issue.

3. Romney made the effective case that Obama is anti-oil, coal, and gas and that this has doubled gas prices.

4. Romney was very effective in differentiating himself from Bush-43 and in establishing that, unlike the GOP of the past, he was for small businesses not big businesses

5. Romney rebutted the attacks on him over Chinese investments.

6. Romney explained his tax plan well and to everyone's satisfaction.

7. Obama erred in trying to make us believe that he always felt Libya was a terror attack. We all heard him blame the movie.

Obama scored points over the 47% statement by Romney, immigration, and by his response to the accusation that he went to Vegas after the murder of the Ambassador.

But this debate goes to Romney. It seals his momentum and will lead to a big win.

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2012/10/17/romney-won-second-debate/#ixzz29dmFAR1U

H2O MAN
 
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Reply Thu 18 Oct, 2012 08:50 am
@Cycloptichorn,
The set up was that Obama said "read the transcript" and Crowley actually
produced it and read it (incorrectly) in an effort to support Obama.

Two liars aggressively attacking Romney has back fired on Obama.
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gungasnake
 
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Reply Thu 18 Oct, 2012 08:55 am
@H2O MAN,
Two things I notice here...

One, the dems and libtards are in near total denial; they claim that Biden won the VP debate while poll numbers for them actually plummeted after that debate. All Smirkin Joe actually convinced anybody of was that he (Smirkin Joe) has serious psychiatric issues and doesn't need to be anywhere close to the white house.

Two is that the moderator was aiding Bork (Obunga) in that second debate and pretty much bailed him out of the thing he got into with the big lie about having stated that Libya was a terrorist act the day after it happened.

The problem is that the whole world knows that was a big lie and doesn't need Fox News to break it down for them. I halfway expected to hear him claim that he never porked any teenage interns after he said that (assuming he was taking lying lessons from SlicKKK KKKlintler)....


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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Thu 18 Oct, 2012 08:56 am
@gungasnake,
Quote:
Dick Morris notes:


Hah! There's all the proof you need that Obama won the debate...

Cycloptichorn
H2O MAN
 
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Reply Thu 18 Oct, 2012 09:43 am
@Cycloptichorn,


There exists not a shred of proof that Obama won the last debate.
revelette
 
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Reply Thu 18 Oct, 2012 10:20 am
@H2O MAN,
Instant Reaction Polls Show Narrow Obama Advantage in Second Debate

Polling data is often very noisy — so it makes my job easier on those rare occasions when there is some agreement. Scientific polls conducted after Tuesday night’s presidential debate in New York give a modest edge to President Obama.

A CBS News/Knowledge networks poll of undecided voters who watched the debate found 37 percent giving an advantage to Mr. Obama, 30 percent favoring Mitt Romney and 33 percent calling the debate a tie. That represents a narrower lead for Mr. Obama than Mr. Romney had after the first debate in Denver, when a similar poll gave Mr. Romney a 46-22 edge.

A CNN poll of registered voters who watched the debate — not just undecided voters, as in the CBS News survey — also gave the debate to Mr. Obama by a seven-point margin, 46 percent to 39 percent. Mr. Romney had won by a much larger margin, 67 percent to 25 percent, in CNN’s poll after the first debate.

Mr. Obama may have benefited in the CNN poll from diminished expectations: 73 percent of voters in the poll said he performed better than they expected, against just 10 percent who said he did worse.

Two other polls gave Mr. Obama a somewhat clearer advantage. A Battleground poll of likely voters in swing states who watched the debate had him winning 53-38.

An online poll by Google Consumer Surveys gave Mr. Obama a 48 percent to 31 percent edge among registered voters.

There were also two scientific surveys about the debate conducted among voters in particular states.

A Public Policy Polling survey of Colorado voters who watched the debate found 48 percent declaring Mr. Obama the winner, and 44 percent for Mr. Romney. Mr. Obama’s advantage was clearer in the poll among independent voters, who gave him a 58-36 edge. However, the candidates were roughly tied when Public Policy Polling asked them how the debate swayed their vote, with 37 percent saying the debate made them more likely to vote for Mr. Obama, with 36 percent for Mr. Romney.

Finally, a poll of California voters who watched the debate, conducted by SurveyUSA, found a 56-32 edge for Mr. Obama. It is no surprise that Mr. Obama won a poll of California voters, and the poll showed a tie, 44-44, among independents in California. Still, a similar poll of California voters by SurveyUSA had given an edge to Mr. Romney after the first debate.

How much will the debate move the head-to-head polls between Mr. Romney and Mr. Obama? Actually, the instant-reaction polls may not be very much help in answering that question. The relationship between the quick-reaction polls and their eventual effect on the horse-race polls has historically been very modest, and has sometimes even run in the opposite direction of what the initial polls suggested. Debates sometimes look different in the rear-view mirror, depending on news media coverage, YouTube and cable news highlights, word of mouth, and subsequent developments on the campaign trail.

Another complication is that it is possible — although by no means guaranteed — that there will be some reversion to the mean because of the first presidential debate, meaning that Mr. Obama will benefit from memories of Denver fading as much as any new ones that were forged in New York.

But if you want my best guess: Throughout this election cycle, you would have done very well by predicting that the polls would eventually settle in at an overall lead for Mr. Obama of about two percentage points. Whenever his lead has been larger than that, it has come back to earth. But Mr. Obama has also rebounded at moments when the polls seemed to suggest an even closer race.

A two-point lead for Mr. Obama is also close to what might be suggested by recent economic data as well as Mr. Obama’s net approval ratings.

The FiveThirtyEight forecast had Mr. Obama as a 64.8 percent favorite to win the Electoral College in advance of the debate, but it will take several days for it to incorporate any of its effects.

Prediction markets, which had nearly identical odds to the FiveThirtyEight model in advance of the debate, had Mr. Obama’s stock improving slightly over the course of the evening and put his odds at about 67 percent as of midnight on Wednesday.
H2O MAN
 
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Reply Thu 18 Oct, 2012 10:23 am


Obama shifts gears again... suddenly AL-Qaeda is no longer on the run.
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ehBeth
 
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Reply Thu 18 Oct, 2012 10:23 am
@H2O MAN,
H2O MAN wrote:
There exists not a shred of proof that Obama won the last debate.


Your return to posting at A2k was what brought me around to the idea that Mr. Obama was doing better than expected in the American presidential campaign. If you hadn't appeared, I'd probably have continued to think that Mr. Romney had a better than even chance of winning.

Thanks for making me take another look and bringing my attention to the fact that things are going better than I'd expected for Mr. Obama.


(I still wouldn't vote for him)
DrewDad
 
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Reply Thu 18 Oct, 2012 10:26 am
@Cycloptichorn,
Romney wore a tie with an English stripe; Obama wore a tie with an American tie.

The choice is clear.

I mean, how can you be an American President if you wear an English tie. It'd be like having busts of English people in the White House, or something.
H2O MAN
 
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Reply Thu 18 Oct, 2012 10:30 am
@DrewDad,


Obama wants you all back in binders
H2O MAN
 
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Reply Thu 18 Oct, 2012 10:31 am
@ehBeth,


Your comment reminds me that you're delusional
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 18 Oct, 2012 10:33 am
@revelette,
From your article which needs more insight,
Quote:
Mr. Obama may have benefited in the CNN poll from diminished expectations: 73 percent of voters in the poll said he performed better than they expected, against just 10 percent who said he did worse.


Those 10% who claimed Obama did worse just proves how stupid people are; they have no clue about facts or who Obama is supporting in this country - and worse still who Romney is supporting. They still haven't caught on to the lies about Benghazi, women's rights, tax cuts only for the middle class, and how Romney is going to create 12-million jobs - in the US. This is the guy who off-shores jobs to make money, but that's too much detail for those folks.

Go figure!
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gungasnake
 
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Reply Thu 18 Oct, 2012 11:43 am
@H2O MAN,
You might want to take a look at Drudge when you get a chance, Gallup has the thing at 52-45 now; Carl Rove notes that there's never been a case of a presidential candidate being over 50 in mid October and losing.

Again the funny thing, the dems are proclaiming victories as their numbers sink into oblivion.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 18 Oct, 2012 12:00 pm
@gungasnake,
What does Drudge know? History has shown that without Ohio, it's nearly impossible for the republicans to win.
 

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