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What could possibly go worse for Mitt Romney?

 
 
engineer
 
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Reply Tue 25 Sep, 2012 07:41 am
@JPB,
David Brooks went this direction in a recent editorial.
Quote:
When I joined the staff of National Review as a lowly associate in 1984, the magazine, and the conservative movement itself, was a fusion of two different mentalities.

On the one side, there were the economic conservatives. These were people that anybody following contemporary Republican politics would be familiar with. They spent a lot of time worrying about the way government intrudes upon economic liberty. They upheld freedom as their highest political value. They admired risk-takers. They worried that excessive government would create a sclerotic nation with a dependent populace.

But there was another sort of conservative, who would be less familiar now. This was the traditional conservative, intellectual heir to Edmund Burke, Russell Kirk, Clinton Rossiter and Catholic social teaching. This sort of conservative didn’t see society as a battleground between government and the private sector. Instead, the traditionalist wanted to preserve a society that functioned as a harmonious ecosystem, in which the different layers were nestled upon each other: individual, family, company, neighborhood, religion, city government and national government.

...

The two conservative tendencies lived in tension. But together they embodied a truth that was put into words by the child psychologist John Bowlby, that life is best organized as a series of daring ventures from a secure base.

The economic conservatives were in charge of the daring ventures that produced economic growth. The traditionalists were in charge of establishing the secure base — a society in which families are intact, self-discipline is the rule, children are secure and government provides a subtle hand.

Ronald Reagan embodied both sides of this fusion, and George W. Bush tried to recreate it with his compassionate conservatism. But that effort was doomed because in the ensuing years, conservatism changed.

...

It’s not so much that today’s Republican politicians reject traditional, one-nation conservatism. They don’t even know it exists. There are few people on the conservative side who’d be willing to raise taxes on the affluent to fund mobility programs for the working class. There are very few willing to use government to actively intervene in chaotic neighborhoods, even when 40 percent of American kids are born out of wedlock. There are very few Republicans who protest against a House Republican budget proposal that cuts domestic discretionary spending to absurdly low levels.

The results have been unfortunate. Since they no longer speak in the language of social order, Republicans have very little to offer the less educated half of this country.
JPB
 
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Reply Tue 25 Sep, 2012 07:59 am
@engineer,
David Brooks wrote:
The results have been unfortunate. Since they no longer speak in the language of social order, Republicans have very little to offer the less educated half of this country.


What a ******* arrogant statement!
Joe Nation
 
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Reply Tue 25 Sep, 2012 08:38 am
@JPB,
Quote:
What a ******* arrogant statement!


Yeah, he should be put on a plane and taken to 35,000 feet and be made to roll down the windows.

Joe(it took me ten minutes to stop laughing)Nation
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snood
 
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Reply Tue 25 Sep, 2012 09:00 am
@JPB,
JPB wrote:

David Brooks wrote:
The results have been unfortunate. Since they no longer speak in the language of social order, Republicans have very little to offer the less educated half of this country.


What a ******* arrogant statement!


I wondered if anyone else noticed that. phew.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Tue 25 Sep, 2012 09:27 am
@JPB,
I don't think it's arrogant as much as it's ignorant.
ehBeth
 
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Reply Tue 25 Sep, 2012 09:35 am
@JPB,
JPB wrote:

David Brooks wrote:
The results have been unfortunate. Since they no longer speak in the language of social order, Republicans have very little to offer the less educated half of this country.


What a ******* arrogant statement!


Isn't it the truth though? Certainly my perception of the American Republican party is that it is the party of the elite and those who think they can/should be part of the elite.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Tue 25 Sep, 2012 09:38 am
@ehBeth,
I think the offending statement is,
Quote:
Republicans have very little to offer the less educated half of this country.
ehBeth
 
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Reply Tue 25 Sep, 2012 09:40 am
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:

I think the offending statement is,
Quote:
Republicans have very little to offer the less educated half of this country.



why be offended by the truth?
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JPB
 
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Reply Tue 25 Sep, 2012 09:42 am
@ehBeth,
This is a man who took exception to Mitt's 47% "dependent victim" statements and made his own "less educated half" over generalization. While there may be some union of those two circles, what they're stating is that the Republican party of their world view is for the elite while At The Same Time they've got the Rick Santorums of the party stating they'll never get the support of the educated elite. Methinks the Repubilcan Party is a party in conflict with itself.
IRFRANK
 
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Reply Tue 25 Sep, 2012 09:54 am
@cicerone imposter,
Arrogance & ignorance often go together.
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ehBeth
 
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Reply Tue 25 Sep, 2012 10:05 am
@JPB,
JPB wrote:
Methinks the Repubilcan Party is a party in conflict with itself.


I've been posting about the split between the conservatives and Republicans for about 6 years now. The language difference between the two groups is striking. I don't think Brooks* has done anything other than point that out.



* my perception of Brooks is that he is a conservative, rather than a Republican
Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Tue 25 Sep, 2012 10:06 am
@ehBeth,
ehBeth wrote:

JPB wrote:
Methinks the Repubilcan Party is a party in conflict with itself.


I've been posting about the split between the conservatives and Republicans for about 6 years now. The language difference between the two groups is striking. I don't think Brooks* has done anything other than point that out.



* my perception of Brooks is that he is a conservative, rather than a Republican


Backwards - he's a Republican first. Certainly is derided constantly by the Conservative wing of that party.

Cycloptichorn
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Tue 25 Sep, 2012 10:08 am
@ehBeth,
Seems that once the Tea Party got a foothold in the party, the true conservatives just fell in lock-step.
JPB
 
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Reply Tue 25 Sep, 2012 10:15 am
@cicerone imposter,
What's a "true" conservative?
JPB
 
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Reply Tue 25 Sep, 2012 10:19 am
@ehBeth,
I think defining the difference between a conservative and a Republican is defining the split. It's hard to find a Republican who doesn't consider himself a conservative.

Mitt is saying that the Republicans don't have anything to offer anyone who doesn't pay federal income tax (47%), Brooks is saying that the Republicans don't have anything to offer the "less educated half" of the populace, and Santorum is saying that they don't have anything to offer the "educated elites". Who's left?
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Tue 25 Sep, 2012 10:25 am
@JPB,
I call the people who would have changed parties from the extreme position of the Tea Party to Independent or Democrat but didn't as a true conservative.
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ehBeth
 
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Reply Tue 25 Sep, 2012 10:32 am
@Cycloptichorn,
We'll have to disagree on that.
Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Tue 25 Sep, 2012 10:34 am
@ehBeth,
ehBeth wrote:

We'll have to disagree on that.


Well, I read every single major Conservative website, every day, and they constantly and consistently deride Brooks and refer to him as a 'traitor' and a 'RINO,' and their commentariat absolutely loathe the man and insult him at every opportunity.

So, I'm going to have to go ahead and stick with my assessment. If Brooks represented the state of current Conservative thought in this country, you wouldn't see that. Instead, he's more of a moderate Republican.

Cycloptichorn
engineer
 
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Reply Tue 25 Sep, 2012 10:48 am
@Cycloptichorn,
Or he represents the largely silent middle of the road Republican while all the commentators are off on the far right.
Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Tue 25 Sep, 2012 10:54 am
@engineer,
Sure, but that's not someone who is 'conservative' first. That's someone who is a Republican.

Cycloptichorn
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