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What could possibly go worse for Mitt Romney?

 
 
sozobe
 
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Reply Thu 20 Sep, 2012 02:26 pm
@engineer,
McCain is in a position to know what happened before 2008....

(He vetted Romney when he was thinking of selecting him as VP.)

Personally I think all of this is unlikely, and there won't be any smoking guns. Just interesting that it's somewhat plausible at least.
engineer
 
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Reply Thu 20 Sep, 2012 02:47 pm
@sozobe,
sozobe wrote:

McCain is in a position to know what happened before 2008....

Good point.
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IRFRANK
 
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Reply Thu 20 Sep, 2012 05:48 pm
All this talk about 'smart or not' makes me think about many people and their views. It doesn't come down to smarts. It comes down to whether on not you care about others. Those on the right see the system as winners and losers. The losers deserve what they get (or don't get). Let them sit in the ER all night. I'll be damned if I'll pay for their health care. Bastards don't pay taxes anyway. The left sees a situation where people are suffering and want to improve the situation. They see other people, not losers. I was taught that we are all in this together. Both in school and church. I think the view of the right is narrow, naive, and in the long term defeating for all of us. Maybe it is ignorance after all.

RABEL222
 
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Reply Thu 20 Sep, 2012 06:24 pm
@engineer,
In reference to millionares attitude toward the 99% it was obvious when Occupy wall street marches were taking place and the people in the office buildings were drinking wine and eating lobster as they were laughing at the marchers. That picture stuck in my mind.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 20 Sep, 2012 06:29 pm
@IRFRANK,
Yup! Mr. Green

Makes you wonder what they learned from their parents and their church - if anything.
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hawkeye10
 
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Reply Thu 20 Sep, 2012 06:47 pm
@IRFRANK,
IRFRANK wrote:

All this talk about 'smart or not' makes me think about many people and their views. It doesn't come down to smarts. It comes down to whether on not you care about others. Those on the right see the system as winners and losers. The losers deserve what they get (or don't get). Let them sit in the ER all night. I'll be damned if I'll pay for their health care. Bastards don't pay taxes anyway. The left sees a situation where people are suffering and want to improve the situation. They see other people, not losers. I was taught that we are all in this together. Both in school and church. I think the view of the right is narrow, naive, and in the long term defeating for all of us. Maybe it is ignorance after all.




And the right believes that man only reaches his potential after the collective stretches and pushes him to reach higher, and that both the carrot and stick is required to do this well, which means that there must be a competition and then the resulting winners and loosers.

I am on the left, am a socialist, but at least I am not ignorant and dismissive of what the other half of America believe. Furthermore I see some truth in their argument, as well as some downsides to the Lefts constant victim worship.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 20 Sep, 2012 07:04 pm
@hawkeye10,
You're hopeless! Evil or Very Mad Drunk Drunk Drunk
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ehBeth
 
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Reply Thu 20 Sep, 2012 07:04 pm
@hawkeye10,
hawkeye10 wrote:
the right believes that man only reaches his potential after the collective stretches and pushes him to reach higher


uhhh no

there is no "collective" on the right. everyone is on their own there.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Thu 20 Sep, 2012 07:15 pm
@ehBeth,
They are no more considered to be on their own then is a boxer considered to be in the ring by himself. The right has always believed in fair and clear rules, that the challenge game which produces the winners and losers is run by mutal consent because the results are superior to all others options.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 20 Sep, 2012 07:26 pm
@hawkeye10,
WOW! That's about as ignorant a statement I've read on a2k. Romney's father was wealthy, and Willard was able to attend the best private schools, and lived in the kind of neighborhood of the privileged. Willard had a silver spoon before he was born; an advantage you'll never understand. That makes your "mutual consent" about as meaningless as your post.

Also, many from poorer families by hard work and motivation improved their own lives, and many worked themselves through college with many on borrowed money. No such handicap for Willard.

Your "fair and clear rules" beliefs are stupid from the get-to. You just don't understand how the monied folks have many advantages that poor people don't have.

When are you going to wise up?

hawkeye10
 
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Reply Thu 20 Sep, 2012 07:39 pm
@cicerone imposter,
The right is not all about the wealthy, and the GOP is not the party composed of only the top 1%, the right is double the size of the left and consistantly gets nearly or more than half the votes.
JPB
 
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Reply Thu 20 Sep, 2012 07:48 pm
@hawkeye10,
I'm sure there are a spectrum of beliefs on both sides of center, but the current manifestation of the Republican party is much further right than any time in my lifetime. I grew up within the Republican party but I don't recognize or relate to anything I hear spewing from their ranks these days. Both parties have shifted toward the poles, imo, and neither is looking beyond their own power base.
Rockhead
 
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Reply Thu 20 Sep, 2012 07:48 pm
@cicerone imposter,
"WOW! That's about as ignorant a statement I've read on a2k."

you need to read Hawkeyes more often.

that's not even in his top ten...
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IRFRANK
 
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Reply Thu 20 Sep, 2012 07:48 pm
@hawkeye10,
Competition will always be there. I'm not a communist, let those who succeed get the rewards. But let's spread the opportunity around. do you think making it easier to live will make people lazy? People I know who have trouble making it struggle because of personal problems. Not because they are lazy. This idea that anyone who works hard can get rich is wrong.


IRFRANK
 
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Reply Thu 20 Sep, 2012 07:52 pm
@JPB,
I don't agree. The dems are more right of center than ever. Can you imagine building the blue ridge parkway today with the WPA?
BillRM
 
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Reply Thu 20 Sep, 2012 07:53 pm
@hawkeye10,
Quote:
GOP is not the party composed of only the top 1%


Kind of similar to having Jews for Hilter in Germany in 1930s having poor GOP members or middleclass GOP members for that matter.

An most of the people Romney talked about with such contempt are GOP members who are willing to cut their own throat in economic matters as long as the GOP follow god command to be against gay marriages and abortions.
JPB
 
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Reply Thu 20 Sep, 2012 07:57 pm
@IRFRANK,
I see Obama as a centrist. I've always seen him there. That's why I think he's had some support issues within his own base which, imo, is very far left.
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hawkeye10
 
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Reply Thu 20 Sep, 2012 08:00 pm
@BillRM,
The Right has been thouroghly corrupted by the corporate class, and those on the Right need to deal with this problem yesterday. But the left has the same problem, only with the left the corporate class scam is making money off of saving the victims where as with the right it is making money by unfair and dishonest challenge game rules.

The wealthy use different strokes for different folks, but we all take the same beating.

BillRM
 
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Reply Thu 20 Sep, 2012 08:38 pm
@hawkeye10,
Somehow the party of Roosevelt is better for the average person then the party of Hoover in my opinion.

Of course neither party is perfect to say the least.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 20 Sep, 2012 08:55 pm
@IRFRANK,
The trend in the middle class getting the shaft started about 30-years ago when the CEO's starting gaining more salary and benefits, while the middle class' wages and benefits remained stagnant.

From klyklossproduction.com.
Quote:
How would you like to be making $200,000 a year today after 25 years on the job? Well, if you started with the pay of an average worker 25 years ago that's what you'd be making today---if you got the same kind of raises that CEOs of American companies got for the past 25 years! The average compensation of a CEO in 1980 was about 40 times that of the average worker in his company. Today it is more than 500 times! If your pay had kept up with his, you would be making more than $200,000 this year. Of course, that didn't happen, did it? So let's see what actually did happen to the average American worker's pay over the past 25 years of the Reagan-Bush economic regime..
 

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