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Republican Senate Nominee: "Legitimate" rape victims don't get pregnant

 
 
cicerone imposter
 
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Tue 2 Oct, 2012 03:03 pm
@spendius,
What in hell are you talking about?
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parados
 
  4  
Tue 2 Oct, 2012 03:13 pm
@spendius,
I think you missed the logic of the argument spendi.

The judge said paying for insurance is no different than paying a salary. The employer can't dictate how they are used without interfering with the employees rights.

In response to that argument, you argue that "the ball is square". Your argument makes no sense alone and makes even less sense as an attempted rebuttal. Health insurance hardly pays only in the case of sickness and accidents. Perhaps if you spent more time at the NHS you might have realized that and they might have realized you may need help.
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engineer
 
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Wed 3 Oct, 2012 09:17 am
In 2008 Akin said doctors give abortions to women who aren't even pregnant! I hate it when they do that.

Quote:
"You find that along with the culture of death go all kinds of other law-breaking: Not following good sanitary procedure, giving abortions to women who are not actually pregnant, cheating on taxes, all these kinds of things," Akin said in the speech, as captured on C-SPAN.

hawkeye10
 
  1  
Wed 3 Oct, 2012 09:41 am
@engineer,
Fraud is rampent in the medical industry, so what makes you think Akin is wrong here?
BillRM
 
  2  
Wed 3 Oct, 2012 09:42 am
@engineer,
Yes, let return to the good old days of the coat hangers.
hawkeye10
 
  0  
Wed 3 Oct, 2012 09:47 am
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:

Yes, let return to the good old days of the coat hangers.

We have pills now, both to prevent and to end pregnancy. Don't you figure that the fact that abortion is no longer needed is the reason that the feminists have mostly abodoned abortion?
tsarstepan
 
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Wed 3 Oct, 2012 10:08 am
@hawkeye10,
hawkeye10 wrote:

BillRM wrote:

Yes, let return to the good old days of the coat hangers.

We have pills now, both to prevent and to end pregnancy. Don't you figure that the fact that abortion is no longer needed is the reason that the feminists have mostly abodoned abortion?

That's utter bull. There is a great need to still have legal abortion that is accessible to all. There still is a sizable group who still can't afford the morning after pill AND the morning after pill ISN'T a 100% guarantee to prevent pregnancy.

And your assertion?
Quote:
Don't you figure that the fact that abortion is no longer needed is the reason that the feminists have mostly abodoned abortion?

Please source this utter hyperbolic statement because it ain't true.
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spendius
 
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Wed 3 Oct, 2012 10:43 am
@hawkeye10,
Quote:
Fraud is rampent in the medical industry, so what makes you think Akin is wrong here?


They don't think hawk. It's a reflex action. They have no idea why "Akin is wrong here". That's obvious because Akin is right. Misogynists all. They need women as helpless victims in order to charge an arm and a leg to help them.
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revelette
 
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Wed 3 Oct, 2012 02:29 pm
Now this is just sickening.

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In a 4-3 ruling Tuesday afternoon, the Connecticut State Supreme Court overturned the sexual assault conviction of a man who had sex with a woman who “has severe cerebral palsy, has the intellectual functional equivalent of a 3-year-old and cannot verbally communicate.” The Court held that, because Connecticut statutes define physical incapacity for the purpose of sexual assault as “unconscious or for any other reason. . . physically unable to communicate unwillingness to an act,” the defendant could not be convicted if there was any chance that the victim could have communicated her lack of consent. Since the victim in this case was capable of “biting, kicking, scratching, screeching, groaning or gesturing,” the Court ruled that that victim could have communicated lack of consent despite her serious mental deficiencies:


When we consider this evidence in the light most favorable to sustaining the verdict, and in a manner that is consistent with the state’s theory of guilt at trial, we, like the Appellate Court, ‘are not persuaded that the state produced any credible evidence that the [victim] was either unconscious or so uncommunicative that she was physically incapable of manifesting to the defendant her lack of consent to sexual intercourse at the time of the alleged sexual assault.’

According to the Rape, Abuse, and Incest National Network (RAINN), lack of physical resistance is not evidence of consent, as “many victims make the good judgment that physical resistance would cause the attacker to become more violent.” RAINN also notes that lack of consent is implicit “if you were under the statutory age of consent, or if you had a mental defect” as the victim did in this case.

Anna Doroghazi, director of public policy and communication at Connecticut Sexual Assault Crisis Services, worried that the Court’s interpretation of the law ignored these concerns: “By implying that the victim in this case should have bitten or kicked her assailant, this ruling effectively holds people with disabilities to a higher standard than the rest of the population when it comes to proving lack of consent in sexual assault cases. Failing to bite an assailant is not the same thing as consenting to sexual activity.” An amicus brief filed by the Connecticut advocates for disabled persons argued that this higher standard “discourag[ed] the prosecution of crimes against persons with disabilities” even though “persons with a disability had an age-adjusted rate of rape or sexual assault that was more than twice the rate for persons without a disability.”

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cicerone imposter
 
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Wed 3 Oct, 2012 02:37 pm
@revelette,
Goes to prove many SC's in this country are incapable of common sense or understand that women who can communicate their refusal never do so with the understanding that they can be physically injured or killed.

All those judges need to be removed from the court.
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revelette
 
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Fri 5 Oct, 2012 10:33 am
Preventing Unintended Pregnancies by Providing No-Cost Contraception
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revelette
 
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Thu 11 Oct, 2012 08:25 am
Missouri TV Station Describes Rape Victims As ‘Controversial Characters’

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An anchor on KOMU’s 5:00 PM news misquoted the women, described them as “controversial characters,” and falsely stated that they were “speaking out against McCaskill.” The network’s somewhat frustrated 10:00 PM anchor later apologized for the “errors”:


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We have a number of corrections tonight for a story in our 5 o’clock news. The story focused on three new ads from Senator Claire McCaskill aimed at opponent todd akin’s remarks about rape. We incorrectly said there was one ad. We mistakenly said the ads featured two women speaking out against McCaskill. The ads actually feature three women – all survivors of sexual assault – and they were speaking on behalf of McCaskill. Also, a reading error lead to a misquote of one of the women in the ad, who actually said “I’m a pro-life mother and a survivor of an extremely violent sexual assault. As a woman of faith, I must forgive Todd Akin. But as a voter, it’s not something I can forget.” And finally, the McCaskill camp objected to our use of the phrase “controversial characters” when refering to the women in the ads. We apoloigize for that characterization and the errors.
jcboy
 
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Thu 11 Oct, 2012 10:22 am
@revelette,
THIS IS TODAY'S republican party. Republicans have known their brand is damaged severely for years now but are powerless to change because they have tons of people who stick to them in hopes they will change when in fact defecting is the only way they will get the message and not clinging in desperation.

http://thinkprogress.org/election/2012/10/10/989981/wisconsin-lawmaker-claims-some-girls-rape-easy/

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A Wisconsin state lawmaker endorsed by Paul Ryan has come under criticism for suggesting that “some girls rape easy.” While discussing a case in which “a 17-year-old high school senior was charged with sexual assault for having sex with an underage girl in the school’s band room,” State Rep. Roger Rivard (R) told the Chetek Alert newspaper in December that his father taught him that some girls will portray a sexual encounter as rape if they become pregnant. He is now claiming that those remarks were taken out of context and has issued a statement condemning sexual violence:
BillRM
 
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Thu 11 Oct, 2012 11:15 am
@jcboy,
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taught him that some girls will portray a sexual encounter as rape if they become pregnant.


I have no information concerning this case so it could be outright rape however as far as a woman/girl finding she is pregnant and then crying rape it does happen.

See the recent case of the New York paralegal and the New York newscaster case for an example of that happening.
cicerone imposter
 
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Thu 11 Oct, 2012 11:34 am
@BillRM,
You have no understanding of the laws of this country concerning sex with anyone under the age of consent.

It's rape whether the girl consented or not. It's called statutory rape.
BillRM
 
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Thu 11 Oct, 2012 11:45 am
@cicerone imposter,
Quote:
You have no understanding of the laws of this country concerning sex with anyone under the age of consent.

It's rape whether the girl consented or not. It's called statutory rape.



Sure I do first he was a minor also at 17 and the law is not the same when two minors engage in consensus sex as it is when an adult and a minor engage in sex.

Then some states law allow a 15/16 years of to have sex with a partner up to 23 or so of age and on and on so when or if statutory rape had occur is a lot of cases is complex.

In any case the story said nothing about this being a case of statutory rape.
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tsarstepan
 
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Thu 11 Oct, 2012 11:46 am
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:


I have no information concerning this case so it could be outright rape however as far as a woman/girl finding she is pregnant and then crying rape it does happen.

No one is saying it never happens. Yes. False charges of rape happen but on a rare rare state. But to completely place and cynically dismiss most claims of rape is insidious at best.
BillRM
 
  -2  
Thu 11 Oct, 2012 11:56 am
@tsarstepan,
Take note at 17 the male is also a minor and the law is not the same as when two minors engage in consensus sex as it is when an adult and a minor engage in the same sex acts.

Next the statutory rapes laws in a lot of states depend on the age of both partners in for example in some states a 15 years old can consent to having sex with a partner under 23 but not a 23 years old or older.

So when and if statutory rape occur depend on a lot of factors in most states and is surely not clear when you are talking about two minors.

Also the article did not state this was a case of statutory rape.
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revelette
 
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Thu 11 Oct, 2012 11:58 am
@jcboy,
Ryan must of have been concerned.

Ryan withdraws endorsement of Rivard after 'some girls rape easy' remarks

Quote:
Madison - Republican vice presidential candidate Paul Ryan has dropped his endorsement of a Wisconsin lawmaker who said that his father had told him "some girls, they rape so easy" as a way to warn him that women could consent to sex but then later claim they hadn't.

Gov. Scott Walker and U.S. Sen. Ron Johnson have not yet responded to inquiries about whether they are standing by their endorsements of freshman state Rep. Roger Rivard of Rice Lake.

It is the second time Ryan, a Janesville congressman, has withdrawn his support from a fellow Republican when they made comments about rape. In August, Ryan and other Republicans unsuccessfully urged U.S. Rep. Todd Akin of Missouri to drop out of his U.S. Senate race when he said women's bodies can "shut down" to prevent pregnancies in instances of "legitimate rape."



My thoughts on this is that it does happen (false accusations), however, rape happens. It is hard to enough to prove rape in a court of law, even to get people who are the victim of rape to report it, without demonizing rape victims the way some have been these last few years. It took a long time to get past the idea that a woman asked to be raped if she is sexually active or wears provocative clothing. Its like we have to re-fight all these issues all over again. I mean court judges actually said a handicapped person should have bit and clawed her way out of being raped. (words to that effect) That is how far we have regressed in just a little while.
Setanta
 
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Thu 11 Oct, 2012 12:02 pm
@revelette,
The sister of the mayor of Toronto very publicly said that women who "dress like whores" shouldn't complain if they get raped. A caller to the CBC asked (rhetorically, of course) if that means that it's OK to rape whores.
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