It looks like Arafat was murdered by the Israelis after all. No surprise there.

@mysteryman,

If they determine that Arafat was poisoned with polonium, will you admit you were wrong?

I have said I'd reserve judgement until we get an answer, just posting updates on this thread, although that rattles Fluff's cage a lot. I said it looks like Arafat was poisoned by Israel, and that's because of the sneaky underhand way Israel goes about things. If it's concluded Arafat died of natural causes, Israel still has a lot to answer for.

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@JTT,

Your "honesty" sure deserts you quickly, MM.

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Exhumation has finally gone ahead.

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The remains of Yasser Arafat have been exhumed as part of an investigation into how the Palestinian leader died.

Swiss, French and Russian experts were been given samples to establish whether his death in Paris in 2004 at the age of 75 was the result of poisoning before the tomb was resealed.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-20501945

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@izzythepush,

izzythepush wrote:

If it's concluded Arafat died of natural causes, Israel still has a lot to answer for.

I think the big question many Gentiles would like "Israel" (aka, world Jewry) to "answer (for)" is why they just can't get with the program, so to speak, and assimilate. Well, the answer to that question is that they "discovered" that the pagan statues had clay feet first. Isn't it ironic that many of those whose ancestors could not conceive of a monotheistic God for close to two more millenia, find Jews persona non grata, as soon as they learned that a world with many Gods is just silly. Talk of chutzpa!

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@Foofie,

Rubbish Fluff, it's all about the occupation.

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@izzythepush,

izzythepush wrote:

Rubbish Fluff, it's all about the occupation.

Your Lordship, there were indigenous peoples in Europe when the Germanic tribes plotzed down where we now have Spaniards, Frenchmen, and British, not to mention the Celts came off of the Indian subcontinent, and the Magyars came from the east to become Hungarians. All of Europe is occupied by invaders.

Your self-rightousness is really "rubbish" also, in my opinion.

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@Foofie,

Foofie wrote:

Your Lordship, there were indigenous peoples in Europe when the Germanic tribes plotzed down where we now have Spaniards, Frenchmen, and British, not to mention the Celts came off of the Indian subcontinent, and the Magyars came from the east to become Hungarians. All of Europe is occupied by invaders.

Really? I mean, leaving aside that we're all children of Eve and Adam, there were quite a lot of tribes living very, very early here in Europe, who only later became named "Germanic tribes" ...

I'd always thought that the Celts came from those territories which are commonly called "Proto-Celtic". Thanks for educating me.

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@mysteryman,

I doubt it, but who cares?

I still can't see what the fuss is all about.

He was a murderous enemy of Israel.

I can understand why the Israelis would want to keep it a secret, but it makes perfect sense for them to have killed him.

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@izzythepush,

izzythepush wrote:

I said it looks like Arafat was poisoned by Israel, and that's because of the sneaky underhand way Israel goes about things.

It doesn't even remotely look like he was poisoned by Israel.

izzythepush wrote:

If it's concluded Arafat died of natural causes, Israel still has a lot to answer for.

LOL! Hardly.

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@Finn dAbuzz,

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but it makes perfect sense for them to have killed him.

It makes perfect sense to you, Finn. But people don't think that way.

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@Finn dAbuzz,

He was a symbol for his people, one of resistance. I know it's really inconvenient for you that that Palestinian people didn't just lay down and die like you want them to.

Israel has murdered countless more people that a thousand Arafats could have achieved.

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@izzythepush,

Of course the Palestinians and their apologists care, but why should the rest of the world?

Live by the sword, die by the sword.

When a leader like Arafat chooses to rely on murder to advance his "cause," it shouldn't be surprising that he die by murder.

If you want to call the PLO murder of Jews and non-Jews necessary tactic of resistance, then it's hypocritical to deny that the murder of a murderer is not necessary national defense.

Your arguments would engender more respect if they were coherent, which is to say logical and consistent.

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@izzythepush,

BTW - I don't want the Palestinians to lay down and die. Far from it.

I want them give up their dream of eradicating the state of Israel and driving all Jews into the desert.

If they do so, and seek realistic goals, a lot more of them will live full and productive lives.

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@Finn dAbuzz,

So, what are realistic goals, in your opinion?

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@InfraBlue,

Sovereign rule over the West Bank and Gaza as these territories are currently defined, with no reliance or demands upon Israel.

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@Finn dAbuzz,

Finn dAbuzz wrote:

When a leader like Arafat chooses to rely on murder to advance his "cause," it shouldn't be surprising that he die by murder.

Your arguments would engender more respect if they were coherent, which is to say logical and consistent.

You're the one who isn't being logical and consistent.

Finn wrote:

BTW - I don't want the Palestinians to lay down and die. Far from it.

I want them give up their dream of eradicating the state of Israel and driving all Jews into the desert.

Arafat had accepted Israel's right to exist, as does the Fatah party which supposedly has limited juristriction in the West Bank. That includes Hebron, why not visit youtube and type in 'Hebron' and 'settlers' to see where accepting Israel got the Palestinians in the West Bank.

As for Hamas' refusal to accept Israel's right to exist, that's no different from Sinn Fein's insistance on a United Ireland. It needn't be a barrier to peace talks, what's important is their ability to call a lasting ceasefire.

It's very easy to see the problems in Israel/Palestine as being down to some anti-Semitic character ingrained into the Palestinian psyche. That way you can ignore the bruality of the occupation and the seige of Gaza.

What a result in the UN eh? Pity we abstained, if Labour had been in power, it would have been another vote for Palestine.

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@izzythepush,

izzythepush wrote:

What a result in the UN eh? Pity we abstained, if Labour had been in power, it would have been another vote for Palestine.

I believe it was a Lavbour government in Britain that in 1947 washed its hands of its responsibilities in the region and simply bugged out after sowing the seeds of perpetual conflict there as they had done in Northern Ireland three hundred plus years earlier.

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@izzythepush,

I wonder how many Jews he directly or indirectly murdered. The number is probably in the hundreds.

I find it hard to weep because of Arafat's death.

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@Walter Hinteler,

Walter Hinteler wrote:

Foofie wrote:

Your Lordship, there were indigenous peoples in Europe when the Germanic tribes plotzed down where we now have Spaniards, Frenchmen, and British, not to mention the Celts came off of the Indian subcontinent, and the Magyars came from the east to become Hungarians. All of Europe is occupied by invaders.

Really? I mean, leaving aside that we're all children of Eve and Adam, there were quite a lot of tribes living very, very early here in Europe, who only later became named "Germanic tribes" ...

I'd always thought that the Celts came from those territories which are commonly called "Proto-Celtic". Thanks for educating me.

Perhaps, they teach it differently in the U.S., but what I was taught was that the Germanic tribes moved into Europe, likely replacing/mixing with the existing indigenous peoples.

And, I read, more than once, that 10,000 years ago the Celts left the Indian subcontinent, and ruled the western continent for 300 or so years, and then were pushed into Hibernia (Ireland) by the Romans. They too must have replaced an indigenous people.

And, to this day the Hungarians are proud of their Magyar heritage.

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CHEERS!

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UN vote recognizes state of Palestine; US objects

The United Nations voted overwhelmingly Thursday to recognize a Palestinian state, a long-sought victory for the Palestinians and an embarrassing diplomatic defeat for the United States.

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It looks like Arafat was murdered by the Israelis after all. No surprise there.

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