Forgiveness and repentance

So tell me and I won't have to speculate. Am I incorrect?

i don't know....you should send judge moore and email and ask him...then, perhaps you could post his answer here for us all

Micah, please adress my response to your quote of the "flagellum" arument.

micah wrote:

i don't know....you should send judge moore and email and ask him...then, perhaps you could post his answer here for us all

I am not really interested in anything Judge Moore has to say, but I will ask you then. Is it your belief that the Ten Commandments are no longer pertinent?

Frank Apisa wrote:

The laws of the Old Testament still are in force.

These laws continued as long as Israel's special relationship to God continued, and all would end when that special relation ended. That special relationship ended when the gospel came into effect. There is no more Jew or Gentile in God's plan (Gal. 3:28). [Cf. Eph. 2:11-18; Acts 10:34,35; 15:7-11; Rom. 10:12; Col. 3:11]

research 'covenants'.....

The law allowed priests only of the tribe of Levi, but it predicted a time when Christ would be a priest of the tribe of Judah. This meant the law would be changed

All Old Testament laws passed away for the same reason animal sacrifices, circumcision, etc., passed away. God gave them to accomplish a purpose for the nation of Israel. They accomplished that purpose, so God removed them.

lets look at the verse again,

For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

they key is "til all be fulfilled"

til what is fulfilled?????

Jesus' purpose

says Jesus:
I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do. John 17:4

and also

For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth. Romans 10:4

so, you can see that i am right and you are wrong....

There is no more Jew or Gentile in God's plan (Gal. 3:28). [Cf. Eph. 2:11-18; Acts 10:34,35; 15:7-11; Rom. 10:12; Col. 3:11]

Frank Apisa wrote:

Each of them has been thoroughly debunked --

that is simply your opinion

Frank Apisa wrote:

The so-called Biblical prophesies are jokes. And has been pointed out, they are part of the Old Testament that you try so hard to distance yourself from when it is not convenient for you to do otherwise.

i have not distanced myself from the old testament.....for every website you can find 'de-bunking' the old testament prophecies, i can find just as many proving them...

i have not distanced myself from the old testament.

"If a man has a stubborn and unruly son who will not listen to
his father or mother, and will not obey them even though they
chastise him, his father and mother shall have him apprehended
and brought out to the elders at the gate of his home city, where
...his fellow citizens shall stone him to death." Deuteronomy 22:18ff

Why is something as nebulous as "...til all is fulfilled" the key?

Portal Star wrote:

So tell me and I won't have to speculate. Am I incorrect?

i'm a 26 year old male....i am not a part of any group, sect, or cult other than 'christianity'

i attended public schools in my youth...

my parents are Christians but they never forced me to believe anything. my parents are not a part of my studies....

what else would you like to know?

By the way, Micah, I quoted Jesus saying that the law remains in effect.

Once again you are quoting Paul in opposition.

Quote:

There is no more Jew or Gentile in God's plan (Gal. 3:28). [Cf. Eph. 2:11-18; Acts 10:34,35; 15:7-11; Rom. 10:12; Col. 3:11]

You really ought to get out of that habit.

micah wrote:

i have not distanced myself from the old testament.

Okay Micah -- then you agree with:

Quote:

"If a man has a stubborn and unruly son who will not listen to
his father or mother, and will not obey them even though they
chastise him, his father and mother shall have him apprehended
and brought out to the elders at the gate of his home city, where
...his fellow citizens shall stone him to death." Deuteronomy 22:18ff

Don't these things sicken you?

portal star, after the realization that "all scripture is God breathed", i wanted nothing else but to share the good news

Micah, my academic field (medieval popular piety) leads me to be very familiar with typology and exegesis, and I have to say that you haven't displayed much familiarity with either the bible itself, formal theology, or exigetical method here. You make the same mistakes that many "fundamentalists" make by quoting pasages out of context, without understanding prolems of internal inconsistency. In addition to a year of general bio, might a reccomend a year of theology?

micah wrote:

portal star, after the realization that "all scripture is God breathed", i wanted nothing else but to share the good news

You've avoided all my other questions, including how you came to that conclusion.

Did you have some kind of dramatic, life-changing event?

Re read you posts on this forum. They provide a multitude o'exampla! Frank has caught most of them. Certainly the Pauline contradictions to Luke and Mark were obvious even to you.

Portal Star wrote:

micah wrote:

portal star, after the realization that "all scripture is God breathed", i wanted nothing else but to share the good news

You've avoided all my other questions, including how you came to that conclusion.

Did you have some kind of dramatic, life-changing event?

i was simply able to comprehend/grasp the evidence available in favor of Christianity....including historical/archeological evidence...