Forgiveness and repentance

micah wrote:

Portal Star wrote:
The new testament is based on the old testament. Jesus was Jewish, and built his teachings off of the old testament, as did his followers. Of -course- they correspond.

i think you're not realizing that 400 years passed between the testaments...consider this and then re-read the 12 prophecies i posted, and then you will understand my point

What difference does the passage of time make? People who believed in an old book wrote a new book to correspond with the old book. That doesn't mean that the events written about acutally happned, in the old or new.

For example,
The illiad is a book full of historical fact, but that doesn't mean it actually happened. If Homer had written a sequal to the illiad confirming loose prophecies that were in the Illiad, that still would not make the illiad a historical work.

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Frank Apisa wrote:

The laws of the Old Testament still are in force.

These laws continued as long as Israel's special relationship to God continued, and all would end when that special relation ended. That special relationship ended when the gospel came into effect. There is no more Jew or Gentile in God's plan (Gal. 3:28). [Cf. Eph. 2:11-18; Acts 10:34,35; 15:7-11; Rom. 10:12; Col. 3:11]

research 'covenants'.....

The law allowed priests only of the tribe of Levi, but it predicted a time when Christ would be a priest of the tribe of Judah. This meant the law would be changed

All Old Testament laws passed away for the same reason animal sacrifices, circumcision, etc., passed away. God gave them to accomplish a purpose for the nation of Israel. They accomplished that purpose, so God removed them.

lets look at the verse again,

For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

they key is "til all be fulfilled"

til what is fulfilled?????

Jesus' purpose

says Jesus:
I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do. John 17:4

and also

For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth. Romans 10:4

so, you can see that i am right and you are wrong.... Very Happy

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so, you can see that i am right and you are wrong....

In the end, the final arguement the fundys throw out when they have nothing more to offer. Sort of like obstinate children. Rolling Eyes

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truth
Hobitbo, you're right. But I would suggest that they are more like retarded adults, with the POWER of the vote. Argh!

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Micah, it must be difficult for you to remain humble.

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Frank Apisa wrote:

Each of them has been thoroughly debunked --

that is simply your opinion

Frank Apisa wrote:

The so-called Biblical prophesies are jokes. And has been pointed out, they are part of the Old Testament that you try so hard to distance yourself from when it is not convenient for you to do otherwise.

i have not distanced myself from the old testament.....for every website you can find 'de-bunking' the old testament prophecies, i can find just as many proving them...

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micah wrote:

All Old Testament laws passed away for the same reason animal sacrifices, circumcision, etc., passed away. God gave them to accomplish a purpose for the nation of Israel. They accomplished that purpose, so God removed them.
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So in other words all of the laws that you have been touting as the basis for morality have passed? You are losing me here.

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ultimate truths are often varriable with changes in circumstance as well as utility.

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mesquite wrote:

micah wrote:

All Old Testament laws passed away for the same reason animal sacrifices, circumcision, etc., passed away. God gave them to accomplish a purpose for the nation of Israel. They accomplished that purpose, so God removed them.
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So in other words all of the laws that you have been touting as the basis for morality have passed? You are losing me here.

which laws have i been touting??

for you to even ask that question reveals you are completely ignorant of the new testament.....read the beatitudes for starters....

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hobitbob wrote:

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so, you can see that i am right and you are wrong....

In the end, the final arguement the fundys throw out when they have nothing more to offer. Sort of like obstinate children.

It must be confusing for him coming from a backround where memorized illogical arguments and un-thinking are praised, and where he thinks he will be ultimately rewarded for never questioning these ideas, no matter how illogical.

I'll bet that he sees himself as a martyr, winning against devils by the mere fact that he is persistent. He also probably really likes the attention, feels that he's really getting somewhere.

If he is young, there is some hope for him realizing his situation. If not, yes, he may have some kind of a future in politics.

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He does have a future in politics! Very Happy

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hobitbob wrote:

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so, you can see that i am right and you are wrong....

In the end, the final arguement the fundys throw out when they have nothing more to offer. Sort of like obstinate children.

wow!

you are apparently unable to grasp the revatively simple concepts i laid out re: the law.....

why is this?

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Portal Star wrote:

hobitbob wrote:
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so, you can see that i am right and you are wrong....

In the end, the final arguement the fundys throw out when they have nothing more to offer. Sort of like obstinate children.

It must be confusing for him coming from a backround where memorized illogical arguments and un-thinking are praised, and where he thinks he will be ultimately rewarded for never questioning these ideas, no matter how illogical.

I'll bet that he sees himself as a martyr, winning against devils by the mere fact that he is persistent.

portal star...i enjoy your humor...thank you....but i must say, you know VERY little about me and my past....so, perhaps you shouldn't speculate..

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micah wrote:

for you to even ask that question reveals you are completely ignorant of the new testament.....read the beatitudes for starters....

Getting a bit testy aren't we? I had in mind the ten commandments that all those folks got upset about (Judge Moore's Monument) in Alabama. If they are no longer pertinent, why all the fuss?

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hormonal imbalances often stabilize following a few years of adulthood, then again, sometimes they don't.

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Micah, please adress my response to your quote of the "flagellum" arument.

What happened to you in your personal life that you came to these beliefs? How old are you? Where do you live? Is there a particular sect of Christianity of which you are a member? Are your parents fundamentalists? Did you go to a parochial school? Are you a cult member?

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and are you the same micah that kept changing your name on that other forum we were on?

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micah wrote:

Portal Star wrote:
hobitbob wrote:
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so, you can see that i am right and you are wrong....

In the end, the final arguement the fundys throw out when they have nothing more to offer. Sort of like obstinate children.

It must be confusing for him coming from a backround where memorized illogical arguments and un-thinking are praised, and where he thinks he will be ultimately rewarded for never questioning these ideas, no matter how illogical.

I'll bet that he sees himself as a martyr, winning against devils by the mere fact that he is persistent.

portal star...i enjoy your humor...thank you....but i must say, you know VERY little about me and my past....so, perhaps you shouldn't speculate..

So tell me and I won't have to speculate. Am I incorrect?

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mesquite wrote:

micah wrote:
for you to even ask that question reveals you are completely ignorant of the new testament.....read the beatitudes for starters....

Getting a bit testy aren't we? I had in mind the ten commandments that all those folks got upset about (Judge Moore's Monument) in Alabama. If they are no longer pertinent, why all the fuss?

i don't know....you should send judge moore and email and ask him...then, perhaps you could post his answer here for us all

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dyslexia wrote:

and are you the same micah that kept changing your name on that other forum we were on?

no...i don't know which forum you're talking about...but i assure you that is not me

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