Derevon wrote:Portal Star wrote:Derevon wrote:Portal Star wrote:Why don't you just give science a try, or Buddhism, or another branch of philosophy? Maybe your heart is the one not open. And you have to give them a real chance. Clearly you haven't given them a real chance or you would believe. - I don't really believe this, but you see it is the same argument from the other side.
Or I would believe what?
You don't really believe what?
I don't understand what you mean by giving science a try. Is science and the life and teachings of Jesus supposed to be contradictory?
No, I don't think they have to be contradictory unless you take a literal - word-for-word factual (translated) view of the bible.
Sorry, I thought you were making that argument. Usually the argument the religious make is that g-d will not reveal himself to you unless you believe - and that if you do not believe you obviously weren't doing it right :wink: .
I agree that one has to believe for that to happen, because God has given us free will, and thus the ability to reject his guidance. One cannot force love upon somebody; that would go against its very nature. God is knocking at the door to our hearts, but
we have to decide to open it. I'm convinced that anyone who is sincere, and doing his/her best to know God and live accordingly, will eventually come to experience the reality of God.
Unfortunately, Derevon, you can say the same thing about people who are convinced Zeus exists and determines that he/she will do his/her sincerest best to open a channel that god.
With all the respect in the world, that is why I say that MY GUESS is that all you folks who claim to know there is a GOD and who have had confirmation from that GOD -- are most likely deluding yourself.
All things considered, I cannot help but wonder why you folks don't suspect delusion also.
