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South Africa stops West Bank goods being labeled "made in Israel"

 
 
dlowan
 
Reply Sun 20 May, 2012 03:19 am
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4231167,00.html



This is an interesting turn around from the boycotts of South African goods during the apartheid era.


Denmark appears to be following suit and a British chain is reported to be banning products from the occupied areas.

I wonder if this will put anything other than moral pressure on Israel.

Does any such pressure have any chance of affecting Israeli policies?



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Foofie
 
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Reply Sun 20 May, 2012 08:33 am
@dlowan,
Is the inference that the "goods" should be labeled "made in the West Bank," or made in the "Occupied West Bank"? Better than that, perhaps the goods should be labeled, "Made by non-Jewish West Bank labor"?
contrex
 
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Reply Sun 20 May, 2012 08:59 am
I don't buy any Israeli goods, period. I don't know if boycotts achieve anything, I just won't have their stuff in the house.

roger
 
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Reply Sun 20 May, 2012 09:07 am
@contrex,
When I buy router bits, I always order the Amana brand.
contrex
 
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Reply Sun 20 May, 2012 09:42 am
@roger,
roger wrote:

When I buy router bits, I always order the Amana brand.


Thanks for the heads-up... I'll make sure to avoid them if I ever get a router.
roger
 
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Reply Sun 20 May, 2012 10:38 am
@contrex,
Yet you also support a boycott of goods that originate in the Palestinian sections of Isreal. That seems odd.
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Sun 20 May, 2012 10:51 am

Offhand, I don 't remember an Israeli good being offered for sale.

If I were satisfied of its quality, and if I wanted to have whatever it was,
I 'd buy it, at a reasonable price.

I see nothing rong with buying an Uzi,
or a Mini-Uzi
(tho actually, I like a heavier calibration than 9mm).

I will NOT boycott Uzi !

Izzy: I hope that u r not boycotting Uzi !





David
izzythepush
 
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Reply Sun 20 May, 2012 11:06 am
@OmSigDAVID,
I boycott all Israeli goods, and go out of my way to buy Palestinian produce, the only thing that's really available is olive oil at the local Fairtrade shop.
http://images.ethicalsuperstore.com/images/84781%20-%20Zaytoun%20Olive%20Oil%20500ml.jpg
South Africa is right, this is apartheid, Israel is illegally occupying the West Bank and brutally suppressing the indiginous population.

Fair's fair, after all Israel did give the bomb to apartheid South Africa.
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roger
 
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Reply Sun 20 May, 2012 11:08 am
@OmSigDAVID,
Anyway, it doesn't sound like they are boycotting Israeli goods in general, just from the West Bank and Gaza. Note a boycott, actually. Just a labeling requirement.
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contrex
 
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Reply Sun 20 May, 2012 12:11 pm
@roger,
roger wrote:

Yet you also support a boycott of goods that originate in the Palestinian sections of Isreal. That seems odd.


1. I never said that. I support a number of Palestinian causes with donations.
2. Why do so many people write "Isreal"?
dlowan
 
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Reply Sun 20 May, 2012 03:59 pm
@Foofie,
Occupied West Bank would appear most accurate, however I have not seen what label is proposed instead.
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dlowan
 
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Reply Sun 20 May, 2012 04:01 pm
@roger,
roger wrote:

Yet you also support a boycott of goods that originate in the Palestinian sections of Isreal. That seems odd.


I am not sure that a boycott of goods from the occupied areas is what is generally being proposed.....though that would appear implied.
contrex
 
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Reply Mon 21 May, 2012 12:07 am
@dlowan,
dlowan wrote:

I am not sure that a boycott of goods from the occupied areas is what is generally being proposed.....though that would appear implied.


The article does not talk about a "boycott" (people voluntarily avoiding goods) being "proposed" (suggested) in South Africa. What has happened is that the South African Government has already announced that it is going to take official action to ban the sale of some goods, namely: those which originate in Jewish settlements in the West Bank (which is not within Israel's 1948 borders) and carry "Made in Israel" labelling, unless those goods also carry a special label saying they were made beyond the Green Line.

Predictably it has upset some people inside Israel and provoked comments such as one politician alleging that the South African minister who signed the banning order was a "radical leftist Jew" and part of the "propaganda campaign against Israel".
Lustig Andrei
 
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Reply Mon 21 May, 2012 12:11 am
It's roger and I against the world of A2k on this issue, I reckon.
izzythepush
 
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Reply Mon 21 May, 2012 01:36 am
@Lustig Andrei,
Maybe you wouldn't feel the same if you knew what was really going on over there.

There were a few letters in the Guardian a few days ago about the Trade Union UNISON's boycott. This gives a taste.

Quote:
It is strange to read Daniel Taub, defending what he calls the voices speaking for peace against being boycotted, when he is representing and defending one of the most vindictive and oppressive governments in the Middle East. Faced with thousands of Palestinians imprisoned for long periods without trial, many in their teens, assassinations of suspects not proven guilty, and appropriation of hundreds of acres of land through illegal evictions alongside the building of many illegal settlements, and all in the name of defending Israel, Taub's comments are hardly credible. It's true, boycotts are not always the most sensitive of political actions but, for instance, their use helped remove apartheid in South Africa. Boycotts can and do work in raising moral issues; perhaps that is why so many pro-Israeli establishment figures are critical of their use. As I understand it, Habima has chosen, in the past, to perform at illegal settlements, thereby giving support to their land-grabbing presence. That, for me, at this moment, is reason enough to boycott its performances here in England.
Ernest Rodker
London


http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/may/15/boycotts-hunger-strikes-defence-israel?INTCMP=SRCH
dlowan
 
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Reply Mon 21 May, 2012 01:57 am
@contrex,
Well, I agree that Israel is making very wrong decisions about the occupation, particularly in allowing ongoing settlement by radical right wing Jews, and I don't think it just radical left wingers who think so.

I think this is a very interesting move for a number of obvious historical reasons.
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Mon 21 May, 2012 03:19 am
@Lustig Andrei,
Lustig Andrei wrote:
It's roger and I against the world of A2k on this issue, I reckon.
Well, I 'm not boycotting the Uzi (tho I prefer the MP 5; very sweet).





David
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Mon 21 May, 2012 03:29 am
@contrex,
roger wrote:
Yet you also support a boycott of goods that originate
in the Palestinian sections of Isreal. That seems odd.
contrex wrote:
1. I never said that. I support a number of Palestinian causes with donations.


2. Why do so many people write "Isreal"?
I don 't imagine that it has anything to do
with how thay pronounce it, right??????
izzythepush
 
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Reply Tue 22 May, 2012 07:46 am
Article in today's Guardian demonstrates the need for a boycott.

Quote:
A video released by an Israeli human rights group appears to show settlers shooting at a group of Palestinian protesters while police and soldiers stand by.

The incident was filmed by Palestinians from the West Bank village of Asira al-Qibliya on Saturday afternoon. A 24-year-old Palestinian, Fathi Asayira, was taken to hospital with facial injuries following the shooting.

According to B'Tselem, which uploaded the footage to YouTube, a large group of settlers, some masked and armed, approached the village from the nearby settlement of Yitzhar and began throwing rocks and starting fires. After a group of Palestinians gathered and threw rocks in return at the settlers, Israeli police and soldiers arrived on the scene.

One of the settlers is seen crouching while aiming and then firing his pistol at the group of Palestinians. Two other settlers are seen firing assault rifles.

"The video footage raises grave suspicions that the soldiers present did not act to prevent the settlers from throwing stones and firing live ammunition at the Palestinians," said B'Tselem. "The soldiers did not try to remove the settlers and in fact are seen standing by settlers while they are shooting and stone throwing."

In a statement, the Israeli defence forces said it was investigating the shooting. Security forces arrived at the scene following stone-throwing by both sides in an effort to separate them. "There was a shooting during the incident and the matter is being investigated‚ but on the surface, the video that was released does not seem to represent the whole incident."

The Palestinian Authority demanded an impartial investigation into the incident and action from the international community over settler attacks and provocation. "The gravity of the footage lies not only in the settlers' provocations and shooting live ammunition towards unarmed residents, but also in the irresponsibility of the Israeli soldiers who stood watching the events," said a statement from the prime minister's office.

The settlement's spokesman, Avraham Binyamin, was quoted in the Israeli media as saying its security squad came under a hail of stones while trying to extinguish fires lit by Palestinians. "It is clear that use of arms by IDF forces or the security squad was done in a tangible life-endangering situation," he said.

Villagers in Asira say attacks and intimidation by settlers from Yitzhar are routine. Yitzhar has a reputation for being one of the most hardline settlements in the West Bank. Israel's education ministry closed down a state-funded yeshiva (religious school) on the settlement last November after the security agency Shin Bet said it had accumulated evidence that students were engaged in acts of violence against Palestinian villagers.

Ahmed Abdul Hadi, the leader of the village council, said the settlers had risked killing someone. "They don't normally fire, but unfortunately, this time the army was there and watching. We hope the Israeli government will prevent the settlers from attack us, not support them," he told the


http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/may/21/israeli-settler-fires-gun-stone-thrower

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contrex
 
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Reply Tue 22 May, 2012 10:58 am
@OmSigDAVID,
OmSigDAVID wrote:
I don 't imagine that it has anything to do
with how thay pronounce it, right??????


Well round here we pronounce Israel Is Ray Ell

 

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