South Africa stops West Bank goods being labeled "made in Israel"

Lustig Andrei wrote:

Butnot "Is-ray-el." That kind of pronunciation would brand a person as ignorant in most other places of the English-speaking world. The name of the country is pronounced just as it is spelled: Is-ra-el. (Ra as in "rah".)

Sorry, but that's bollocks.

Sorry but that's the only way I've ever heard anyone with a uni education say it.

I get it, you're taking the piss.

What does that expression mean ??

Mocking/ridiculing/playing the fool

Thank u.

I wonder how that relates to urination.

HOW do u know David to be pronounced in a way that is not odd?

If we met, how 'd u pronounce my name ??

roger wrote:

So, is the consensus that labeling will, or will not be significant.

Oh, was the thread about that?

Don't tell me there's a theme here.

I wonder if this will put anything other than moral pressure on Israel.

Does any such pressure have any chance of affecting Israeli policies?

In a sharp reaction yesterday Israel's Foreign Ministry said it would be having a "severe conversation" with the South African ambassador in Tel Aviv and the Ministry's spokesman Yigal Palmor said the move had "characteristics of racism". ...

While South Africa is not one of Israel's major trading partners, the move is a political victory for pro-Palestinian groups there, which campaigned for it over the last year along with a Palestinian organisation operating in the West Bank, the Popular Struggle Co-ordination Committee.

Danny Dayan, chairman of the Yesha Council of West Bank settlements, used Davies' decision as an the opportunity to delegitimize Diaspora Jews who connect settlements to Jewish ethics. "How unsurprising that Davies is Jewish," Dayan declared last Saturday. "Once again it has been proven that radical left-wing Jews are very gleefully spearheading the propaganda campaign against the State of Israel. That's what is happening at J Street, and also with Davies and Goldstone in South Africa." Actually, Davies is not Jewish. Dayan relied on mistaken information published last week on Haaretz's website, which was corrected the next morning.

If the fact that industrial zones are located in the occupied territories is not reason enough for consumers to choose other products, the State Comptroller's report released at the beginning of this month provides a slew of other reasons for doing so. The section on industrial zones, which did not get enough exposure, has the heading "a jungle in the villa," borrowing somewhat liberally from Defense Minister Ehud Barak's description of Israel as a villa in the jungle.

Here is a brief summary: the report quotes from a letter in which the head of the Samaria Regional Council, Gershon Mesika, describes the situation of the Alei Zahav industrial zone: "Might makes right." The World Zionist Organization's settlement department told the comptroller that several trespassers have settled in the area, including some criminal elements, and noted that the WZO lacks "the tools to prevent trespassing and illegal construction." A document prepared by the Municipal Environmental Associations of Judea and Samaria lists the problems originating from this industrial zone: emissions of air pollutants; flow of domestic sewage into the collection system, inadequate facilities in some plants and failure to deal with dust particle emissions. There were also serious environmental problems uncovered at the Mesila industrial zone, as well as plants functioning without operating or construction permits there. ...

Israel will try in the coming months to cancel the decision. According to the South African law, the fact that the decision is a government directive and not a law passed in parliament means that citizens can lodge objections with 60 days.

"Pro-Israel groups are organizing in South Africa in order to present objections in an orderly manner to try to cancel the directive or change it," an official in Israel's Foreign Ministry told Haaretz on Saturday.

I have seen lots more on the subject but haven't bothered bringing it here because the topic has hitherto not generated the discussion I hoped ...

HOW do u know David to be pronounced in a way that is not odd?

If we met, how 'd u pronounce my name ??

given that you've told us how you pronounce it, I'd follow your preferred pronunciation

I work with a number of men whose name is spelled as yours is. Some pronounce it Day-vid,

others are Dah-veed.

Probably for the very reason that you cite, David -- to make a clear distinction between the historical people and present-day inhabitants of Israel. Might be confusing otherwise. I hear the word "Israelite" and I immediately think of Bible stories.

but in furtherance of that desire, Y not call it something entirely different, if thay wanna avoid that confusion ?