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Outrage as gay pair get 14 years' hard labour

 
 
Reply Fri 21 May, 2010 04:36 am
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Outrage as gay pair get 14 years' hard labour

By Jonathan Clayton in Blantyre
Friday May 21 2010
Two homosexual men have been sentenced to 14 years in prison with hard labour in Malawi for gross indecency and unnatural acts.

In a ruling that provoked international condemnation, Judge Nyakwawa Usiwa-Usiwa told the men, who were arrested after a public engagement ceremony, that he wanted to protect the public from "people like you".

Steven Monjeza (26) and Tiwonge Chimbalanga (20), who have been in jail since December, were then driven away from the packed courthouse in the old colonial capital of Blantyre, jeered by a large crowd.

The British Government, Malawi's largest donor, expressed "dismay" at the sentences, but has not withdrawn aid estimated at about £80m (€92m) a year. The US State Department said the verdict was "a step backwards in the protection of human rights in Malawi".

The judge told the pair: "I will give you a scaring sentence so that the public will be protected from people like you, so that we are not tempted to emulate this horrendous example".

The case has ignited debate over homosexuality in Malawi, one of Africa's poorest and most conservative countries.(© The Times, London)

- Jonathan Clayton in Blantyre

Irish Independent
 
plainoldme
 
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Reply Fri 21 May, 2010 06:24 am
A friend sent me this letter from a Vermont woman this morning. It has a lot to say about pseudo-morality in re: homosexuality. We can transfer this false and ignorant stand to other areas that the right pontificates on . . . the economy, immigration, science . . .

For the Valley News (White River Junction, VT)

Many letters have been sent to the Valley News concerning the homosexual
menace in Vermont. I am the mother of a gay son and I've taken enough
from you good people.

I'm tired of your foolish rhetoric about the "homosexual agenda" and
your allegations that accepting homosexuality is the same thing as
advocating sex with children. You are cruel and ignorant. You have been
robbing me of the joys of motherhood ever since my children were tiny.

My firstborn son started suffering at the hands of the moral little
thugs from your moral, upright families from the time he was in the
first grade. He was physically and verbally abused from first grade
straight through high school because he was perceived to be gay.

He never professed to be gay or had any association with anything gay,
but he had the misfortune not to walk or have gestures like the other
boys. He was called "fag" incessantly, starting when he was 6.

In high school, while your children were doing what kids that age should
be doing, mine labored over a suicide note, drafting and redrafting it
to be sure his family knew how much he loved them. My sobbing
17-year-old tore the heart out of me as he choked out that he just
couldn't bear to continue living any longer, that he didn't want to be
gay and that he couldn't face a life without dignity.

You have the audacity to talk about protecting families and children
from the homosexual menace, while you yourselves tear apart families and
drive children to despair. I don't know why my son is gay, but I do know
that God didn't put him, and millions like him, on this Earth to give
you someone to abuse. God gave you brains so that you could think, and
it's about time you started doing that.

At the core of all your misguided beliefs is the belief that this could
never happen to you, that there is some kind of subculture out there
that people have chosen to join. The fact is that if it can happen to my
family, it can happen to yours, and you won't get to choose. Whether it
is genetic or whether something occurs during a critical time of fetal
development, I don't know. I can only tell you with an absolute
certainty that it is inborn.

If you want to tout your own morality, you'd best come up with something
more substantive than your heterosexuality. You did nothing to earn it;
it was given to you. If you disagree, I would be interested in hearing
your story, because my own heterosexuality was a blessing I received
with no effort whatsoever on my part. It is so woven into the very soul
of me that nothing could ever change it. For those of you who reduce
sexual orientation to a simple choice, a character issue, a bad habit or
something that can be changed by a 10-step program, I'm puzzled. Are you
saying that your own sexual orientation is nothing more than something
you have chosen, that you could change it at will? If that's not the
case, then why would you suggest that someone else can?

A popular theme in your letters is that Vermont has been infiltrated by
outsiders. Both sides of my family have lived in Vermont for
generations. I am heart and soul a Vermonter, so I'll thank you to stop
saying that you are speaking for "true Vermonters."

You invoke the memory of the brave people who have fought on the
battlefield for this great country, saying that they didn't give their
lives so that the "homosexual agenda" could tear down the principles
they died defending. My 83-year-old father fought in some of the most
horrific battles of World War II, was wounded and awarded the Purple Heart.

He shakes his head in sadness at the life his grandson has had to live.
He says he fought alongside homosexuals in those battles, that they did
their part and bothered no one. One of his best friends in the service
was gay, and he never knew it until the end, and when he did find out,
it mattered not at all. That wasn't the measure of the man.

You religious folk just can't bear the thought that as my son emerges
from the hell that was his childhood he might like to find a lifelong
companion and have a measure of happiness. It offends your sensibilities
that he should request the right to visit that companion in the
hospital, to make medical decisions for him or to benefit from tax laws
governing inheritance.

How dare he? you say. These outrageous requests would threaten the very
existence of your family, would undermine the sanctity of marriage.

You use religion to abdicate your responsibility to be thinking human
beings. There are vast numbers of religious people who find your
attitudes repugnant. God is not for the privileged majority, and God
knows my son has committed no sin.

The deep-thinking author of a letter to the April 12 Valley News who
lectures about homosexual sin and tells us about "those of us who have
been blessed with the benefits of a religious upbringing" asks: "What
ever happened to the idea of striving . . . to be better human beings
than we are?"
Indeed, sir, what ever happened to that?
*


electronicmail
 
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Reply Fri 21 May, 2010 08:31 am
@plainoldme,
Vermont 2007 AIDS cases per 100,000 population: 1 (one)
Malawi 2007 AIDS cases per 100,000 population: 12,000 (twelve thousand)



plainoldme
 
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Reply Fri 21 May, 2010 03:11 pm
@electronicmail,
In Africa, there is a belief that having sex with a virgin will cure AIDS. That would account for some of the numbers.
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tsarstepan
 
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Reply Fri 21 May, 2010 03:44 pm
@electronicmail,
What's your point?
JTT
 
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Reply Fri 21 May, 2010 09:22 pm
@tsarstepan,
Because the USA is god's chosen country, Glenn Beck says so, he protects the people of the USA from such trials and tribulations. Other countries, well, if they want to engage in these immoral acts, so be it.
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ossobuco
 
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Reply Fri 21 May, 2010 09:35 pm
@tsarstepan,
I don't know what say. This is crushing..
electronicmail
 
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Reply Sat 22 May, 2010 07:21 am
@ossobuco,
Ummm... How old is everybody here? Transmission mechanisms for AIDS known to you? Is the idea that plague carriers will be shunned news to you?

Quote:
I don't know what say.
Me neither.

dlowan
 
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Reply Sat 22 May, 2010 08:18 am
@electronicmail,
electronicmail wrote:

Ummm... How old is everybody here? Transmission mechanisms for AIDS known to you? Is the idea that plague carriers will be shunned news to you?

Quote:
I don't know what say.
Me neither.




Worldwide AIDS is predominantly a HETEROSEXUALLY transmitted disease.

Should we shun the ignorant and bigoted such as you by sentencing you to 14 years hard labour?

You spread an especially nasty brew...ignorance and bigotry. Now THERE's a plague.
electronicmail
 
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Reply Sat 22 May, 2010 08:47 am
@dlowan,
They're not as stupid in Malawi as you seem to think, they're trying to do something about heterosexual sex as well, HIV infected prostitutes can now be prosecuted for non disclosure of status. And they're trying to do something for mother-to-child transmission. I don't know why you support anal sex (homo or hetero) but support sex with virgins. If you don't why is my post discriminatory and the one about virgins wasn't? Both refer to local beliefs and customs. Malawi isn't the world.
dlowan
 
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Reply Sat 22 May, 2010 09:20 am
@electronicmail,
But Malawi imprisons homosexuals, according to you, because they wrongly believe that homosexuals spread a plague that is overwhelmingly spread by heterosexual men.

Either they ARE stupid or your ignorant bigotry has caused you to wrongly represent them.


Maybe they're just bigoted homophobes instead of ignorant bigoted homophobes who wrongly believe gay men spread AIDS in their country.

Either way, what are you, and what is YOUR excuse for your ignorant twaddle and what's your excuse for staying out of prison for spreading a poisonous plague?

electronicmail
 
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Reply Sat 22 May, 2010 10:29 am
@dlowan,
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they wrongly believe that homosexuals spread a plague

You're not from San Francisco, are you? You're not for Malawi is for sure, can you even find it on the map? Ostracism is better than a death sentence, elsewhere in Africa they just kill homosexuals and infected prostitutes M or F. What do you want Malawi to do, outlaw sex by black heterosexual men? Good luck trying that one.
dlowan
 
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Reply Sat 22 May, 2010 10:38 am
@electronicmail,
electronicmail wrote:

Quote:
they wrongly believe that homosexuals spread a plague

You're not from San Francisco, are you? You're not for Malawi is for sure, can you even find it on the map? Ostracism is better than a death sentence, elsewhere in Africa they just kill homosexuals and infected prostitutes M or F. What do you want Malawi to do, outlaw sex by black heterosexual men? Good luck trying that one.



WTF?

Wanna ask that in some recognizable language, using reason, science and logic?
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tsarstepan
 
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Reply Sat 22 May, 2010 10:51 am
@electronicmail,
electronicmail wrote:

What do you want Malawi to do, outlaw sex by black heterosexual men? Good luck trying that one.


We want Malawi and you as well to grow up and enter the 21st century and stop being bigoted and wrongheaded about homosexuality. Both ostracism and violence against gays and lesbians and transexuals is dead on wrong. So is supporting and openly condoning and defending the backwards third world practices of scientific and social practices of countries like Malawi.

You might as well not reply to my posts as from now on I'm placing you on my ignore list.
littlek
 
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Reply Sat 22 May, 2010 11:11 am
@tsarstepan,
The only horrendous example I can see here is the judgment itself. (and of course electronicmail)
electronicmail
 
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Reply Sat 22 May, 2010 11:50 am
@littlek,
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The only horrendous example I can see here is the judgment itself. (and of course electronicmail)

40 million dead, 35 million suffering right now, you got an opinion on a horrendous example of what? The prejudice, ignorance, and paranoia shown by the posters here are repulsive:
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Quote:
The meeting was convened by the United Nations Development Programme...The report, being prepared for an international AIDS conference in July, said: "Laws often take on the force of vigilantism, often leading to abuse and human rights violations. Even in the absence of criminalization, other provisions of law often violate the rights of MSM [men having sex with men] and transgender persons along with arbitrary and inappropriate enforcement, thereby obstructing HIV interventions, advocacy and outreach, and service delivery."
... MSM activity is disproportionately affected by the HIV epidemic, "with the odds of MSM participants having HIV infection being 18.7 times higher than that in the general population. In China, the odds of MSM participants having HIV infection are 45 times higher than in the general population."


littlek
 
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Reply Sat 22 May, 2010 12:37 pm
@electronicmail,
I am not sure why AIDS is being brought into this conversation. Gay men, especially in Africa, do not cause the majority of AIDS cases in the world.
electronicmail
 
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Reply Sat 22 May, 2010 12:39 pm
@tsarstepan,
You don't care about risk to others. If you did you'd bother to educate yourself, like look up the CDC website.
Quote:
HIV transmission patterns among Black men vary from those of
white men. Although both groups are most likely to have been
infected through sex with other men, white men are much more
likely to have been infected this way. Heterosexual transmission
and injection drug use account for a greater share of infections
among Black men than white men.

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Irishk
 
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Reply Sat 22 May, 2010 12:41 pm
@littlek,
He's never going to get that, though.
electronicmail
 
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Reply Sat 22 May, 2010 12:45 pm
@littlek,
So call the CDC tell them they're wrong.

What was the "example" you were looking for?
 

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