South Africa stops West Bank goods being labeled "made in Israel"

@contrex,

OmSigDAVID wrote:

I don 't imagine that it has anything to do
with how thay pronounce it, right??????

contrex wrote:

Well round here we pronounce Israel Is Ray Ell

Really ?

I 'm surprized.
This is the first time that I 've heard a long A (as in PLANE or NAME or DAVID) used in speaking the word Israel.
Around WHERE is it that it is thusly pronounced??

David

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@OmSigDAVID,

I have a feeling Contrex doesn't speak English real good, David.

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@OmSigDAVID,

OmSigDAVID wrote:

(as in PLANE or NAME or DAVID

you pronounce the a in David the same way you pronounce the a in name?

odd

(this is why your phonetic thing is going to fail)

I'm almost afraid to ask, but ... how do YOU pronounce Israel?

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@OmSigDAVID,

OmSigDAVID wrote:

Around WHERE is it that it is thusly pronounced??

Great Britain

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@ehBeth,

ehBeth wrote:

OmSigDAVID wrote:
(as in PLANE or NAME or DAVID

you pronounce the a in David the same way you pronounce the a in name?

odd

Is this a joke that I am missing?

Here in Britain we pronounce the A in David the way we pronounce the As in ray plane may day say plate fate. I know at least some Americans do because I heard a guy called David Sedaris say his name on the radio the other day. In fact I am sure they all say it that way. As for Israel, this guy on Yahoo says

Code:I'm Jewish, and I usually hear it as "IS ray ell."

The BBC and most Brits say it that way too. In Bible class at school we learned about the Children Of Is ray ell. That is also how we sang it if it occurred in hymns.

In France and Spain they say it more like Is rah ell and we all know that Yanks say Is ree all. But the American way is not the only one.

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Izzy:
Do u agree with Contrex on this point??

Do the English pronounce the name of Israel
as: Is Ray Ell ??

David

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@contrex,

contrex wrote:

In fact I am sure they all say it that way.

that's kinda funny

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@ehBeth,

ehBeth wrote:

contrex wrote:
In fact I am sure they all say it that way.

that's kinda funny

Why? I am not deaf, and my English cousin David says his first name the same way as do the American Davids Sedaris, Letterman, Soul, and Archuleta, and also the way Larry David says his last name. Surely you are not alleging they are all deviant pronouncers?

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I get it, you're taking the piss.

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@contrex,

I'm saying it's funny that you're sure that everyone says it the same way.

That boat don't float.

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@contrex,

I agree with you re: David. In the US we also say "Day-vid." Butnot "Is-ray-el." That kind of pronunciation would brand a person as ignorant in most other places of the English-speaking world. The name of the country is pronounced just as it is spelled: Is-ra-el. (Ra as in "rah".)

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@ehBeth,

OmSigDAVID wrote:

(as in PLANE or NAME or DAVID

ehBeth wrote:

you pronounce the a in David
the same way you pronounce the a in name?

odd

Yes. To a man, every David I've ever met in America
has pronounced David with a long A, as in all the long As
that Contrex has conveniently set forth as examples.

Beth: u raise my curiosity.
HOW do u know David to be pronounced in a way that is not "odd" ????
If we met, how 'd u pronounce my name ??

ehBeth wrote:

(this is why your phonetic thing is going to fail)

I'm almost afraid to ask, but ... how do YOU pronounce Israel?

OK. Candor moves me to confess to being inconsistent, here.
Because I 've heard it pronounced "Is reel"
almost 1OO% of the time around me,
it did not occur to me to apply fonetic analysis.
I simply adopted ambient use.
On consideration, I might adapt that to "Is ra el" with a short a as in armament.
I 've heard that use, on the TV news (usually from Middle Easterners).

Will u reveal how U pronounce Israel ?

David

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@Lustig Andrei,

Lustig Andrei wrote:

I have a feeling Contrex doesn't speak English real good, David.

I 've never heard his voice,
but HE seems to think he does.
He gives plenty of advice on English.
He has tried to chase me away from it,
tho I 'm a born & bred New Yorker,
grown up in NY, Arizona & California almost my whole life.

David

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@contrex,

contrex wrote:

ehBeth wrote:

contrex wrote:
In fact I am sure they all say it that way.

that's kinda funny

Why? I am not deaf, and my English cousin David says his first name the same way as do the American Davids Sedaris, Letterman, Soul, and Archuleta, and also the way Larry David says his last name. Surely you are not alleging they are all deviant pronouncers?

I re-iterate my agreement with u, on this point.
In America, there is ONLY 1 way to pronounce my name.
That is with a long A.

David

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@contrex,

contrex wrote:

I get it, you're taking the piss.

What does that expression mean ??

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So, is the consensus that labeling will, or will not be significant.

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@OmSigDAVID,

OmSigDAVID wrote:

contrex wrote:
I get it, you're taking the piss.
What does that expression mean ??

Mocking/ridiculing/playing the fool

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@Lustig Andrei,

Lustig Andrei wrote:

Butnot "Is-ray-el." That kind of pronunciation would brand a person as ignorant in most other places of the English-speaking world. The name of the country is pronounced just as it is spelled: Is-ra-el. (Ra as in "rah".)

Sorry, but that's bollocks.

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@contrex,

contrex wrote:

Lustig Andrei wrote:

Butnot "Is-ray-el." That kind of pronunciation would brand a person as ignorant in most other places of the English-speaking world. The name of the country is pronounced just as it is spelled: Is-ra-el. (Ra as in "rah".)

Sorry, but that's bollocks.

Sorry but that's the only way I've ever heard anyone with a uni education say it.

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@roger,

roger wrote:

So, is the consensus that labeling will, or will not be significant.

Oh, was the thread about that?

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