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campaign 2004...misinformation and "black propaganda"

 
 
blatham
 
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Reply Tue 17 Feb, 2004 09:10 am
BBB

Wonderful piece. You're a treasure, thank you.

george

Arts and Letters Daily http://www.aldaily.com/ is the most valuable site on the internet for folks like yourself and BBB. The layout is well organized, and the riches beneath are easily accessed. The only problem is how much richness there is.
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blatham
 
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Reply Tue 17 Feb, 2004 09:16 am
hobit

Thanks. Had not bumped into that clarification yet.

On the theme of "let's promote truth in campaigning and throw rotten eggs at all violators", I've just bumped into a site/organization out of the U of Penn which has as its purpose the evaluation of contemporary political discourse - in other words, a very similar idea to why I began this thread. I haven't had time to study it yet...
http://www.annenbergpublicpolicycenter.org/03_political_communication/political_communication.htm
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hobitbob
 
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Reply Tue 17 Feb, 2004 12:59 pm
Smear is Easier Than Issues
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Littwin: News outlets regurgitate Kerry 'story'

February 17, 2004

This is a story about a story that it now seems isn't a story at all.

It's a story, in the words of Boston Globe columnist Tom Oliphant, of "a frenzy about a story that hasn't been written concerning an allegation that hasn't been made."


It's a story of an unwritten story concerning an unmade allegation that somehow made the front page of the New York Daily News ("Stray? It Ain't So: Kerry") and the front page of The Times of London.

Yeah, you guessed it, it's a story about Matt Drudge. And if you're not feeling dirty yet, you will. Just read on.

If you don't know what I'm talking about, you don't have the Drudge Report bookmarked and you don't listen to Rush Limbaugh and you decided against taking the cheap winter flight to London.

For the most part, the mainstream American media ignored this story, which wasn't a story. But it was getting harder each day - particularly when John Kerry goes on Don Imus' radio show to deny it. Even the gossip-leery New York Times, although well inside the paper, and then only briefly, felt obligated to mention Kerry's denial of an affair. Yes, of an affair no one had ever alleged.

Once upon a time, there was the when-did- you-stop-beating-your-wife question. Now, the question is - and you have to follow this closely - when you started denying Drudge's claim that someone was working on a story about your alleged wife-beating that no one has actually alleged.

I bring it up now only because the injured party - who was named by Drudge, with a picture, and named by some London papers - has come forth to shoot the story down, saying the rumors were "completely false." She was in Kenya where her fiance lives and where "news" organizations had camped outside the fiancé's parents' home.

And now the Associated Press is using her name along with the denial. She becomes a footnote in a story that shouldn't have been a story, but distracts us from, says, reports of weapons of mass destruction that were erroneously reported.

There's nothing new about innuendo. But written innuendo, even on a Web site, somehow takes on greater weight than mere whispering.

Here's what apparently happened:

On the campaign trail, where rumors are as common as American Legion pancake breakfasts, there was talk of a story coming on Kerry. In an off-the-record comment, Wesley Clark, whose campaign was ending, told reporters he thought Kerry's campaign "would implode."

The rumor - with the off-the-record Clark quotes and stories of a woman who had "fled the country" - were then posted on Drudge, who cited several news organizations that were supposedly working on this story.

Drudge does have some credibility here because he was the first to report that Newsweek was working on the Monica Lewinsky story. He's often wrong. But he's often not wrong.

The Kerry report moved from Drudge to right-wing radio to the Wall Street Journal's Opinion Journal Web site to Rupert Murdoch's newspapers. And when the noise grew sufficiently loud, Kerry went on Imus in order to deny the rumor. And then came the reports of the denial. Clark, meanwhile, quickly endorsed Kerry, possibly hoping to keep his vice presidential prospects alive.

So, was there any truth to the story? I don't know. Neither does anyone who ran with it. Maybe the CU regents can appoint a panel to get to the bottom of it.

Of course, many who used the story used all the right caveats. And yet still ran with it. The London Times got the woman's age wrong, her job wrong, other details wrong. And still ran with it.

It was only coincidence - wink, wink - that the story that wasn't a story about an allegation that wasn't an allegation came out at the same time Bush was getting clobbered with questions about his service in the National Guard. And at the same time, Kerry, who is favored to win yet another primary today in Wisconsin, was leading Bush in some polls.

It's also the same time that an altered picture began making the Internet rounds, purporting to show Kerry speaking with Jane Fonda at an anti-war rally.

And yet, unlike Hillary Clinton, I don't believe in a vast right-wing conspiracy.

You don't need a conspiracy. You just need to plant a story with Drudge and watch it work its way - like the Mydoom virus - through the media food chain. It's the ugly season, and, with many months before November, it will stay ugly for a while.

Not much damage was done this time. Unless, of course, you're the woman involved.

But I think you'll enjoy the latest news on this, which is, I guess, Drudge's way of saying he had a Web site malfunction. Check out Monday's Drudge headline: "Kerry Mystery Woman Dated Campaign Finance Chief." I can hardly wait to see who she's supposed to be dating next.



Mike Littwin's column appears Tuesday, Thursday and Saturday. Call him at 303-892-5428 or e-mail him at
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hobitbob
 
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Reply Tue 17 Feb, 2004 01:00 pm
We see EEEEEVVVVIIILLLL!!!
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Campos: The scarlet sound bite

February 17, 2004

'Love," noted the great Irish poet William Butler Yeats, "is the crooked thing. There is nobody wise enough to know all that is in it."

As I write these words, the Irish press, along with its English, Australian and European counterparts, are having the time of their lives with reports that Sen. John Kerry may have had an affair a few years ago.


The foreign press has tracked down the young woman in question, and is featuring her photograph under banner headlines, while it aggressively pursues the story from several angles. Yet until the Associated Press published the woman's categorical denial that she has ever had an affair with Kerry or had ever worked for him, the mainstream American media had refused to touch the story.

The hypocrisy and bad faith that fuel this sort of story-within-a-story does not make for an edifying spectacle. First, the "story," such as it is, exists only because several eminently respectable media outlets have been investigating these rumors for quite some time now.

Such investigations, if they turn up anything at all, are guaranteed to come to the attention of the campaign operatives of the target's opponents, who will then use less fastidious media outlets to spread the story, even if, according to the standards of more respectable media actors, the story isn't the sort of thing that ought to run.

This appears to be precisely what happened in the matter at hand. The fact that the mainstream media had dug up possible evidence of marital infidelity on Kerry's part was fed to Matt Drudge's Internet Web site by Kerry's political enemies. As soon as Drudge posted the rumors on his Web site, the transformation of a sleazy rumor into a supposedly legitimate news story was inevitable.

Let's review the rationalizations for turning rumors of adultery on the part of presidential candidates into stories that ought to be investigated by respectable journalists:

• Having an affair demonstrates some nebulous trait known as "poor character." This charge of generic moral unfitness is too vague to take seriously. If the claim is that morally flawed persons are disqualified from the presidency, then it's obvious that no one is qualified to be president. The real question ought to be, is adultery the sort of moral failing that's relevant to evaluating a presidential candidate? And it should be equally obvious that, absent special circumstances (i.e., coercion or the like) the answer ought to be "no."

• Having an affair proves the candidate has poor judgment. The charge here is that the candidate has engaged in reckless behavior, and that, practically speaking, such recklessness is relevant to the candidate's fitness for office. This is an almost perfectly circular argument. It depends on the assumption that the behavior is newsworthy because it's reckless - but the assumption the behavior is reckless makes sense only if one first assumes it's newsworthy.

• Having an affair demonstrates hypocrisy on the part of candidates who present themselves as embodiments of bourgeois morality, aka "family values." This is laughable on its face. Adultery is an institution only a few weeks younger than marriage, and that in its own way embodies bourgeois values just as powerfully. (True sexual libertines can't undermine the sanctity of marriage, since they don't believe in it in the first place.)

That an adulterous politician is hypocritical about his behavior merely demonstrates that he actually believes in family values - or at least has the decency to pretend he does. The media ought to have the decency to pretend that they do, too - by honoring the fine bourgeois tradition of looking the other way.



Paul Campos is a professor of law at the University of Colorado. He can be reached at paul.campos@colorado.edu.
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hobitbob
 
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Reply Tue 17 Feb, 2004 08:09 pm
Murdoch Continues to Wallow and Oink
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British Paper Defends Kerry Rumor Story

LONDON (AP) - A British newspaper on Tuesday defended the accuracy of its story quoting the father of Alexandra Polier, the woman who has been the subject of rumors linking her to Sen. John Kerry.

The unsubstantiated rumors arose on the Internet last week, saying that Polier, a 27-year-old freelance journalist, had an affair with the front-running Democratic presidential candidate. Both she and Kerry have denied the allegation.

On Friday, The Sun tabloid quoted Polier's father, Terry, as being harshly critical of Kerry.

In statements released to The Associated Press on Monday, Terry Polier said that he had been misquoted by the Sun and, in fact, would be voting for Kerry for president.

A spokeswoman for the Sun, speaking on condition of anonymity, said Tuesday that the paper stood by its story.

Alexandra Polier once worked for the AP as an editorial assistant in New York. She currently is in Kenya.


So, the big lie technique says stand by your story even when its proven false?
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georgeob1
 
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Reply Tue 17 Feb, 2004 08:21 pm
Who cares?
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hobitbob
 
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Reply Tue 17 Feb, 2004 08:24 pm
Thanks for the input, now how about an opinion from someone who is interested in something other than keeping his mind tightly closed?
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nimh
 
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Reply Tue 17 Feb, 2004 08:27 pm
bookmark ... :-(
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nimh
 
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Reply Tue 17 Feb, 2004 08:42 pm
sozobe wrote:
I take revel's point well. Nimh has posted some supposedly low-down-dirty tricks that Kerry pulled on Dean (not sure if it was true) and my first reaction was "yuck", my second reaction was "good." I think the Democratic candidate has to be willing to be ruthless, as ruthless as the opposition -- so I think it's gonna just be ugly. Hopefully amidst the ugliness the truth will out.


blatham wrote:
I do think, truly, that the only way out of the morass is for at least one party to maintain integrity. If guys like Frankin or Gary Trudeau or the dem candidate start playing Ann Coulter's game, then let's break out the booze, and have a ball, if that's all, there is.


sozobe wrote:
Hmm, well what I mean is stuff that pretty much is Franken's game. I think he is fairly careful with his facts, but he uses a lot of bombast, a lot of rhetorical flourishes. He's not an academic. He panders.

"Integrity" is too subjective, here.


Hmmm ... confused, here.

Soz, first you mention "low-down-dirty tricks" as probably being, on the balance, a good thing for a Dem candidate to engage in, in these times of having to face Bush, Rove c.s.

(And if they're being deployed to fellow-Democrats rather than Bush himself, thats probably good then purely on account of it being evidence that a candidate can be counted on to engage in such things - I mean, if he even does it to fellow Democrats, who havent actually done much in the way of Rovish tricks against him...)

But later you seem to point much more generally in the direction of Franken-like hyperbole as being useful. Isnt there kindof a huge gulf between populist hyperbole and low-down-dirty tricks, though? Where do you draw the line, then - if anywhere?

I myself have muchos less tolerance for these things in the primaries than in the general elections, on top of upholding a kind of minimum standards. The differentiation is because, to the extent that I would condone it, it would be as necessary, not as a good thing per se. And I dont see how its necessary for Dem candidate A to stoop to such tricks against Dem candidate B. I think Ive had that discussion a few times here: I would point out something in the primary campaign that I thought couldnt pass muster, and a choir would resound, "but Bush and Rove do it too!". I dont see the logic of that - how does what Rove does against you make it a good thing for you, not just to do it back to him and his candidate (which would fall in the category of "necessary"), but to do it to your fellow Dem candidates as well? Then it becomes a question of character to my mind.
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blatham
 
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Reply Tue 17 Feb, 2004 08:47 pm
george

I think we ought to care, and care to some substantial degree.

It's fair to say that each of us individually have negligible effects on the the inertia of government and social trends. But en masse, achievements are possible. The recent move by the FCC to liberalize media ownership rules, for example, was stopped (or at least, significantly slowed) by a broad uprising against the proposed changes.

The forwarding of falsehoods in a campaign hurts us all. The more carefully we watch for them, and the louder we yell when we see them, will have an indeterminate effect, true. But letting such destructive acts just pass without comment or protest is to allow the worst among us to have power and influence over us.
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sozobe
 
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Reply Tue 17 Feb, 2004 09:22 pm
Yeah, that is a bit contradictory.

Hmmm.

Basically, I think that the whole "high road" thing is not working. I think the greater necessity is to get Bush out of office. If it could be done by sticking to the high road, I would prefer that. I don't think it can be done.

My reference to Franken was not clear. What I was getting at was more that the definition of "high road" is rather subjective. I doubt that McGentrix or Fedral would say that Franken takes the high road. He panders, he hyperbolizes... etc.

I just think that a certain Dukakis-ian Mondale-ian and even Gore-ian "I am a man of integrity, I would do nothing untoward, trust me" thing doesn't work. It's a nice message, a nice subtext, but I think it does not dovetail well with strength, and I think strength -- even a certain ruthlessness -- is necessary on two levels. One level is that of effectively combatting what will be dished out by Bush and co. Simply saying "But that's not true...!" and leaving it at that won't work. Two is perception of strength, perception of being able to do what is necessary even when it is somewhat unsavory.

But the "somewhat unsavory" part is a very fine line, a crucial line. Dip too far over it and you're done.
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blatham
 
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Reply Tue 17 Feb, 2004 10:04 pm
Thinking about this now, it occurs to me that I'd feel less lousy if someone were to shoot the bugger, rather than spread known falsehoods about him. An odd spot to find myself inhabiting.

I think Franken has it exactly right. As I think I said before, he knows that his credibility is key to maintaining a readership, that he must research what he says, and that he can't forward falsehoods. That still leaves a hell of a lot of room for influencing people, via humor and satire. And a loud and present voice. And those can bite.

Some of you may have seen the 'scoop' re Bush and a 70's era abortion. Now, I have no problem with someone researching this claim (or even the possibility of such) nor with publishing it, given a truly adequate level of proof. But it is the fact of it which justifies publishing, not just that spreading it will cause Bush harm.

Rove, in an early election campaign, called the police and press one morning regarding a bug in his campaign office. Who else but the candidate running against his candidate would do such a low down thing, was Rove's mantra. Too late for Rove's opponent, the police established that Rove himself was the likely culprit. That's what we don't want to fall to.
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BumbleBeeBoogie
 
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Reply Tue 17 Feb, 2004 11:56 pm
BBB
Whether we like it or not, candidates for power anywhere in the world are in a war to politically kill their opponents without using guns or knives. Political war is always nasty and everyone is tainted by the bloody verbal battles.

Political wars have never been gentlemen's debating societies with civil rules that govern candidate's behaviors. There is too much power and money at stake for such niceties. The contestants and their political parties will push to the limits that society will tolerate to gain the victory. Such is the nature of the lust for power. It is disgusting but fascinating to watch the gladiators go at it. Some things never change no matter how civilized we think we've become.

BBB
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Scrat
 
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Reply Wed 18 Feb, 2004 09:25 am
blatham wrote:
revel

I think Bush's past (contribution and dedication, voting record, etc) is fair game, as is Kerry's. But relevant issues, not whether or not Bush ever humped someone else while married.

So, I'm looking to document here, as the election progresses, instances where a campaign will use not relevant facts, but will stoop to creating or forwarding innuendo and character assassination using known lies and half truths.

But revel asked about charges that Bush was "AWOL", which has a very specific, legal meaning, and which Bush quite clearly--as is well documented--was not. So, why would this not be a good example of your "black propaganda"? It is a smear, and is not true.
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nimh
 
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Reply Wed 18 Feb, 2004 01:57 pm
Re: BBB
BumbleBeeBoogie wrote:
The contestants and their political parties will push to the limits that society will tolerate to gain the victory. Such is the nature of the lust for power.


Quite. So then it is up to us, collectively ("society") to set those limits.

What has been tolerated has shifted over time. JFK could get away with massive vote fraud, and still have his good name go into history. Bush didnt get half as easily away with what was a much more ambivalent situation in Florida. "Society" also set its limits on Nixon, through its "tools", the crack reporters and the law system.

Compare real war. There, too, lust for power, lust for blood even, have been perennially part and parcel of it - such is the nature of bloodshed, that it brings out the worst in men. So, do we therefore say - oh, well, thats just the way it is, has to be, how can you really say anything about it? To try to curtail it would be to foolishly go against human nature? No - we have gotten basic rules down now. In "regular" nation-to-nation wars, heads are no longer spiked, livers are not torn out, people are not burnt at the stake. There's the Geneva conventions, and if the other party dares as much as to publish photos of POWs, the world is at an outrage.

Its the same with politics. "Lust for power" may have been the perennial nature of political fight, but so have been basic sets of fair play limits, enforced by laws but also by voters, who tend to punish anyone crossing them all too blatantly. So the boys-will-be-boys, politicians-will-be-politcians, soldiers-will-be-soldiers argument is really of limited meaning.

To me one of the main limits is, hit back at those who hit you, but dont go one better on them. Dont hit with cannons at those who shoot at you with guns - keep them for when the other does have cannons.
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Thomas
 
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Reply Wed 18 Feb, 2004 03:17 pm
sozobe wrote:
My reference to Franken was not clear. What I was getting at was more that the definition of "high road" is rather subjective. I doubt that McGentrix or Fedral would say that Franken takes the high road. He panders, he hyperbolizes... etc.

I haven't read Franken's book yet, so I have only the internet buzz to go on (besides the sample chapters on Amazon and his website.) But I find it interesting that few conservative websites seem to challenge his facts. There's lots of attacks on Franken, but most of them seem to be ad hominem. Contrast this to Michael Moore, who can be rather casual with facts and does get slapped in the face about it. Moore is funny and has his heart in the right place, but I prefer high road allies like Franken and Krugman over the Moores, Chomskys and Naders anytime. And I see no reason to believe that the good guys are less effective.

Sozobe wrote:
I just think that a certain Dukakis-ian Mondale-ian and even Gore-ian "I am a man of integrity, I would do nothing untoward, trust me" thing doesn't work.

I agree, but that style is not the only way of taking the high road. For a counterexample, Kerry's tactic in response to attack ads seems to be a demonstrative attitude of "I have only just begun to fight. Bring it on." Assuming this attitude is reasonably sincere, how is it not the high road? And why wouldn't it be effective?
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bocdaver
 
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Reply Thu 19 Feb, 2004 02:28 am
Al Franken is not being honest. His given name is Frankenstein, not Franken.
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blatham
 
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Reply Thu 19 Feb, 2004 08:54 am
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The only unanswered question about the politically inspired lie that Sen. John Kerry had had an affair with an "intern" was which interested source planted it with the eager Internet right-wing hooligan Matt Drudge and with conservative British newspapers that put it into wide public play. Its timing was fortuitous. Immediately after George W. Bush went into a tailspin, falling behind Democratic presidential front-runner Kerry in the polls, Kerry became the subject of smears filled with remembrance of things past. First, a phony composite photograph was circulated of Kerry standing next to Jane Fonda at an anti-Vietnam War rally. "Thou hast committed fornication." Unfortunately, not only did Fonda denounce the ploy as a "dirty trick," but so did Republican Sen. John McCain, heroic Vietnam prisoner of war, Bush's rival for the nomination in 2000 and a close friend of Kerry's. "But that was in another country, and besides the wench is dead." The attempt to revive the dread of the Nixon era failed, the scarlet letter of the Clinton years was unfurled. Thus another wench was promptly surfaced.

http://www.salon.com/opinion/blumenthal/2004/02/19/kerry/index.html
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sozobe
 
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Reply Thu 19 Feb, 2004 09:16 am
Thomas, note that my point was not whether Franken is actually fact-based but whether it is objective or subjective that he takes the high road. I can't speak for McGentrix or Fedral, but I really doubt they would say Franken takes the high road. The point was the subjectivity. One man's "high road" is another man's "mudslinging." (Whatever his facts, Franken really lays the ad homs on Ann Coulter, for one.)

When I speak of taking the high road, I don't only mean the candidate but the candidate's machine. I don't think that Kerry, himself, would say, "We found someone who talks at length about doing cocaine with Bush," but I think he might employ someone who would employ someone who would look away when someone at the very bottom rank goes ahead and posts the "interview" on the Internet. In this imaginary scenario, I think they would actually have someone who credibly makes these allegations, not that they would create them, but at the same time, I think it's taking the low, buggy, swampy road to use this information.

I think what is very unfortunate is that these campaigns rely so heavily on sound bites, both of the aural and visual kind (I think of the "Hanoi John" manipulated photo as a sound bite.) But given that fact, I think the game needs to be played, and a serious contender needs to be willing to play it.
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blatham
 
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Reply Thu 19 Feb, 2004 09:23 am
soz

Point well taken on 'high/low road'.

I suspect, having read both your posts and Thomas' for some time, that the three of us would likely reach pretty similar decisions, if we were deeply involved in a campaign, as to what ethical lines ought not to be crossed.

I'm just now reading the chapter in Franken's book where he and a smart young member of his research team head off to Bob Jones University to 'apply' for entry. It's one of the funniest things I've read in a long while.
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