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President Endorses Gay Marriage

 
 
EqualityFLSTPete
 
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Reply Sat 19 May, 2012 04:07 pm
NAACP endorses same-sex marriage! Smile

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/election-2012/post/naacp-endorses-same-sex-marriage/2012/05/19/gIQA5SFSbU_blog.html
ossobuco
 
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Reply Sat 19 May, 2012 04:39 pm
@EqualityFLSTPete,
Whoa, that's a big one - I'd like to know more as I'm not quite believing.
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ehBeth
 
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Reply Sat 19 May, 2012 05:00 pm
@EqualityFLSTPete,
That was quite a statement they released.
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Sloan
 
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Reply Sat 19 May, 2012 05:08 pm
That's something I never expected! Bravo NAACP!
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Adam4Adam
 
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Reply Sat 19 May, 2012 08:45 pm
@EqualityFLSTPete,
Very big news!
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firefly
 
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Reply Sat 19 May, 2012 10:56 pm
@EqualityFLSTPete,
That's a strong endorsement of gay marriage.http://www.gearbits.com/images/thumbs-up.gif

I hope it helps Obama to hold onto his support in the African American community.
Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Sun 20 May, 2012 01:29 am
@firefly,
I doubt Obama has to worry about his support in the black community unless his chances are so slim that it could come down to a percentage point or two of the black vote.

At the same time, I doubt the NAACP's endorsement of the legalization of same-sex marriages is going to change the minds of very many black voters concerning their opposition to it.

As clear as it seems to be that there is only minimal support for Gay marriage, it's unlikely that they will allow this one issue to drive their voting decision.

Now if those who intend to vote for Obama simply because he is black could, similarly, broaden their perspectives...

To be fair, I can understand why some blacks would vote for a black candidate for president simply because he or she is black.

I'd like to think that it was different in 2012 and that blacks would ignore his race and vote based solely upon his record, but that would be disingenuous.

It's not enough to have one of your own rise to the top if he or she is shortly thereafter proven through an election to be something of a failure, and the fact of the matter is that one term presidents are generally seen as failures (not least of all by themselves - which made Dana Carvey's impersonation of Poppy Bush: "Don't want to be a one term president, no sir," so biting)

If Obama is, like Jimmy Carter, seen as a failed president, I don't think it will impact the chances of future black candidates for the office, but I can understand why someone might worry that it could.

Of course a great many blacks think Obama has been a hell of a president. I struggle to understand why they might, but then I struggle to understand why they so reliably vote Democrat (not to mention struggling with how anyone might think he's been Aces).

Call me cynical, but I don't think the NAACP's endorsement of the legalization of same sex marriages has so much to do with its commitment to equal rights as it does with its desire to support Obama. Why else would the organization have waited until now to express this position?

It's interesting that there is such a widespread assumption that any increase in the number of Americans who rely on the largess of the government ( see Mexican immigrants) benefit Democrats. In fact it may be sowing the seeds of their own demise.

Since leftists believe that wealth is a zero sum game, should they be able to establish total control over it (in which case it will be a zero sum game) those to whom the redistribute wealth are not likely to accept, without coercion, that their clan is not more deserving of the spread than another.

In a world where you can't claim a greater share based on merit and production, the clans are unlikely to accept a compliant egalitarianism and will fight to prove they, for all sorts of reasons, are more deserving than the others.

The demographics of Hispanic immigration to the United States has, as it stands today, more of an impact on blacks than whites.

If wealthy and influential whites still hold power in South Africa, how much easier will it be for this dynamic to exist in an America where non-whites outnumber whites?

Since the rich and powerful (or powerful and rich) always rise to the top no matter the ideology that fashions their government, those who must share what's left will, inevitably, compete.

Only the most wild-eyed ideologues believe that a workers’ paradise is truly possible and since those in power who, ostensibly, seek to take America there are so dependent upon the votes of folks whose subsistence is dependent more on government handouts than actual labor, what will they do when they win?

But, of course, they know better than to take their vision too far. They're not Socialists; they're really dedicated capitalists who care.

But I've wondered far afield from the original topic.

All is actually alright because America has its first Gay President.

I wonder if American Gays really appreciate how important their desire to legally wed is to the future of this country.







JTT
 
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Reply Sun 20 May, 2012 10:37 am
@Finn dAbuzz,
Instead of a "Gee, it's nice to see people making advances towards gaining well deserved rights", it's same ole Finn, same ole inane Finn.

If we all were plunked down a hundred years ago, you'd be ranting about just what a good thing separate but equal was. Go back another 50 years and you'd be defending your right to own slaves.
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Miller
 
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Reply Sun 20 May, 2012 10:51 am
@Finn dAbuzz,
Finn dAbuzz:
Quote:
Now if those who intend to vote for Obama simply because he is black could, similarly, broaden their perspectives...


Very true. Please note, that had his present wife been white ( as his live-in girlfriend in NY...daughter of a diplomate... had been during his college days ), or if he had been a gay black, he never would have made it to the White House.
JTT
 
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Reply Sun 20 May, 2012 11:04 am
@Finn dAbuzz,
Quote:
As clear as it seems to be that there is only minimal support for Gay marriage, it's unlikely that they will allow this one issue to drive their voting decision.


"Americans can always be counted on to do the right thing...after they have exhausted all other possibilities."
-- Winston Churchill

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jcboy
 
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Reply Sun 20 May, 2012 04:59 pm
I believe we are on a roll here folks. More and more people are seeing the light.
edgarblythe
 
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Reply Sun 20 May, 2012 08:19 pm
@Miller,
Miller wrote:

Finn dAbuzz:
Quote:
Now if those who intend to vote for Obama simply because he is black could, similarly, broaden their perspectives...


Very true. Please note, that had his present wife been white ( as his live-in girlfriend in NY...daughter of a diplomate... had been during his college days ), or if he had been a gay black, he never would have made it to the White House.


You two are so fucked, I haven't the words to express it.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sun 20 May, 2012 08:28 pm
@edgarblythe,
I'm with you, edgar.
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firefly
 
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Reply Mon 21 May, 2012 09:58 am
@jcboy,
And those who agree can sign this petition to repeal the Defense Of Marriage Act (DOMA).
http://www.repealdoma.com/
Keith424
 
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Reply Mon 21 May, 2012 11:25 am
@firefly,
Thank you for the link, I signed!
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Miller
 
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Reply Wed 23 May, 2012 03:38 pm
@edgarblythe,
edgarblythe wrote:

Miller wrote:

Finn dAbuzz:
Quote:
Now if those who intend to vote for Obama simply because he is black could, similarly, broaden their perspectives...


Very true. Please note, that had his present wife been white ( as his live-in girlfriend in NY...daughter of a diplomate... had been during his college days ), or if he had been a gay black, he never would have made it to the White House.


You two are so fucked, I haven't the words to express it.


I thought liberals always preached tolerance.
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Miller
 
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Reply Wed 23 May, 2012 03:40 pm
@jcboy,
jcboy wrote:

I believe we are on a roll here folks. More and more people are seeing the light.


I only see a wasted economy.
Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Wed 23 May, 2012 03:50 pm
@edgarblythe,
Your's is the comment of an idiot, a coward, a lazy slob, or all three.

What is particularly telling about this forum is that such a facile retort got 8 thumbs up.

snood
 
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Reply Wed 23 May, 2012 03:52 pm
@Finn dAbuzz,
Finn dAbuzz wrote:

Your's is the comment of an idiot, a coward, a lazy slob, or all three.

What is particularly telling about this forum is that such a facile retort got 8 thumbs up.




If you don't like this forum, why don't you take your stench and leave?
Miller
 
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Reply Wed 23 May, 2012 03:54 pm
Why did Obama wait till now to "endorse" gay marriage?
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