President Endorses Gay Marriage

Finn dAbuzz wrote:

Your's is the comment of an idiot, a coward, a lazy slob, or all three.

What is particularly telling about this forum is that such a facile retort got 8 thumbs up.

If you don't like this forum, why don't you take your stench and leave?

Your's is the comment of an idiot, a coward, a lazy slob, or all three.

What is particularly telling about this forum is that such a facile retort got 8 thumbs up.

snood wrote:

Finn dAbuzz wrote:

Your's is the comment of an idiot, a coward, a lazy slob, or all three.

What is particularly telling about this forum is that such a facile retort got 8 thumbs up.

If you don't like this forum, why don't you take your stench and leave?

Is that what's called "tolerance" by the mighty liberals?

Miller wrote:

snood wrote:

Finn dAbuzz wrote:

Your's is the comment of an idiot, a coward, a lazy slob, or all three.

What is particularly telling about this forum is that such a facile retort got 8 thumbs up.

If you don't like this forum, why don't you take your stench and leave?

Is that what's called "tolerance" by the mighty liberals?

Yes, that's exactly correct. Tolerance doesn't require you to agree or even approve of someone's words or actions. It merely requires you to provide the lowest level of courtesy to another person. It's the least you can do for someone you disagree with. Telling them that they are free to leave, if they don't like the place, doesn't display intolerance. Intolerance would be calls to have the person banned, to limit their participation whether they choose to stay or not.

But don't let that stop you from attempting to make an assholish little point.

Cycloptichorn

Cycloptichorn wrote:

Miller wrote:

snood wrote:

Finn dAbuzz wrote:

Your's is the comment of an idiot, a coward, a lazy slob, or all three.

What is particularly telling about this forum is that such a facile retort got 8 thumbs up.

If you don't like this forum, why don't you take your stench and leave?

Is that what's called "tolerance" by the mighty liberals?

Yes, that's exactly correct. Tolerance doesn't require you to agree or even approve of someone's words or actions. It merely requires you to provide the lowest level of courtesy to another person. It's the least you can do for someone you disagree with. Telling them that they are free to leave, if they don't like the place, doesn't display intolerance. Intolerance would be calls to have the person banned, to limit their participation whether they choose to stay or not.

But don't let that stop you from attempting to make an assholish little point.

Cycloptichorn

Is that what's called "tolerance" by the mighty liberals?

Whoa. Deja vu.

I only see a wasted economy.

More and more people are seeing the light.

But don't let that stop you from attempting to make an assholish little point - again. If you persist in acting like a total douche, you will be treated like one

ONE WORD - EQUALITY but it doesn't seem to exist...

plenty of emotionally immature folks get married

The New York Times
May 23, 2012
Welcome End of a Pseudotheory

Many opponents of giving equal rights and protections to gay Americans — at the workplace, in the military, in marrying and forming families — make the claim that homosexuality is a chosen way of life. They have long seized on the work of a towering figure in psychiatry to justify their position.

But that psychiatrist, Dr. Robert Spitzer, has now renounced a study he did a decade ago that suggested that “reparative therapy” can help homosexuals who are highly motivated to change their sexual orientation. Dr. Spitzer’s admission that his study was deeply flawed should discredit, once and for all, those claims of social and religious conservatives that homosexuality is not a fundamental part of human identity.

Dr. Spitzer’s turnabout was described by Benedict Carey in The Times on Saturday. Dr. Spitzer’s enormous influence came from the fact that he directed a rigorous rewriting of the psychiatry profession’s diagnostic manual of mental disorders. Even before that, he successfully pressed to drop homosexuality from the manual.

Two decades later, still eager to challenge accepted wisdom, he conducted an in-depth telephone survey of 200 gay men and women who had received therapy or pastoral counseling to change their sexual behavior. Most told him that they had changed from a predominantly or exclusively homosexual orientation before therapy to a predominantly or exclusively heterosexual orientation.

Now Dr. Spitzer, who just turned 80, has acknowledged that his survey was deeply flawed. In a letter to the editor of the Archives of Sexual Behavior, which had published his study, he said he had no way of knowing whether the patients who said they had changed were deceiving themselves, lying or reporting accurately. He apologized for making “unproven claims” about reparative therapy and for any harm he may have caused to anyone who “wasted time and energy” undergoing the therapy.

Critics have noted that the people interviewed were nominated by centers that were performing the therapy and that there was no control group and no clear definition of what counted as therapy. There is also some evidence that reparative therapy can lead to depression or suicidal thoughts and behavior. It is absurd, potentially harmful, pseudopsychiatry. It should have been rejected long ago.
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/05/24/opinion/welcome-end-of-a-pseudotheory.html?_r=1&partner=rssnyt&emc=rss

The new York Times
May 24, 2012
Blacks and Marriage Equality: An Update
By FRANK BRUNI

There has been a great deal of attention over recent years to black Americans’ attitudes about homosexuality and to their feelings about same-sex marriage in particular. This was a big part of the coverage of Proposition 8’s fate in California, and it has been an equally big part of the story of Maryland’s movement toward marriage equality.

I wrote a column on the topic last fall.

In light of that, I thought I should provide this update, suggestive of a significant shift among black Americans.

Public Policy Polling just today released these results from Maryland, whose governor has signed marriage-equality legislation, but whose voters could overturn that in a referendum later this year:

A new Public Policy Polling survey in Maryland finds a significant increase in support for same-sex marriage among African American voters following President Obama’s historic announcement two weeks ago. The referendum to keep the state’s new law legalizing same-sex marriage now appears likely to pass by a healthy margin. Here are some key findings:

-57% of Maryland voters say they’re likely to vote for the new marriage law this fall, compared to only 37% who are opposed. That 20 point margin of passage represents a 12 point shift from an identical PPP survey in early March, which found it ahead by a closer 52/44 margin.

-The movement over the last two months can be explained almost entirely by a major shift in opinion about same-sex marriage among black voters. Previously 56% said they would vote against the new law with only 39% planning to uphold it. Those numbers have now almost completely flipped, with 55% of African Americans planning to vote for the law and only 36% now opposed.

That’s a remarkable and remarkably swift change, and it’s echoed by a national poll done by ABC News and the Washington Post. The national survey, whose results were also released this week, showed that 59 percent of black Americans indicated support for marriage equality. That represented a double-digit increase from findings that predated the president’s expression of support for same-sex marriage.

The president’s announcement was followed by a formal endorsement of same-sex marriage last Saturday by the N.A.A.C.P.

And this week, former Secretary of State Colin L. Powell joined a lengthening list of prominent black Americans to state his support for marriage equality.
http://bruni.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/05/24/blacks-and-marriage-equality-an-update/?hp

plenty of emotionally immature folks get married