IS IT JUST ME?

@OmSigDAVID,

Yeah, you're right . . . hey, you're always right.

@OmSigDAVID,

You appear to be conflating two similar but different words.

A conserver is someone who conserves something.

You are the conserver of your values, preserving them and remaining true to them.

A conservative is someone who seeks to preserve existing conditions, institutions, etc., or to restore traditional ones, and to limit change.

The folks who revolted against British rule, founded a new country with a (relatively) novel form of government were certainly not conservatives.

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@BillRM,

BillRM wrote:

The major founding fathers was free thinkers
and not conservatives in any sense.

Those of us who follow the Founders' filosofy
are conservative of Original Americanism.

David

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@Setanta,

Setanta wrote:

Yeah, you're right . . . hey, you're always right.

Yeah.
Its a little sad to see u get stomped on so much; like a trampoline.

David

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@farmerman,

One thing that makes me ignore a harsh debate is one or both of the pissing parties don't know when to stop it. It just goes on and on and on. It is such a bore.

BBB

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@farmerman,

That kid -in this case Saab - politely asks you please to treat Saab with a certain amount of respect and not as a kid, not even when she deserves it.
Saab is a woman (not everybody has found out), saab is even a free lance working woman, Saab does not really like excersing, but like to be active. Starting off with jazzballet, arobic, later in life yoga and someone signed her up for belly dancing as a joke. She started. The bellydancing group started also to meet for cooking for each other. They were 5 nationalities.
Saab does not do much of travelling for fun as her free lance job takes her to many different cities when she is needed.
Saab has a house and a garden to take care of and a summercabin with a large property.
Saab is in real life what you would call a little old lady, she could easily be your mother.
SO MAY SHE SIT DOWN AT FRONT AND CENTER AT THE FULL COURT DEMONSTRATION ????? PLEASE

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@OmSigDAVID,

Electrons don't stomp very hard . . .

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@DrewDad,

DrewDad wrote:

You appear to be conflating two similar but different words.

No; I 'm only conflating 1 word. Just 1; count it.

DrewDad wrote:

A conserver is someone who conserves something.

You are the conserver of your values, preserving them and remaining true to them.

By conserving the principles of the Founders,
Barry Goldwater & myself are conservatives concerning those views; i.e., we are conservers thereof.
That is very simple; not complex, e z to understand.

DrewDad wrote:

A conservative is someone who seeks to preserve existing conditions, institutions, etc.,
or to restore traditional ones, and to limit change.

Yes; Goldwater & I wish to preserve
the freedom-loving conditions & institutions set forth
by the Founders in the US Constitution.
For that reason, Goldwater & I are conservative of those principles, because we conserve them.
Is there a question about that ??????

DrewDad wrote:

The folks who revolted against British rule,
founded a new country with a (relatively) novel form of government
were certainly not conservatives.

If u re-read my Post: # 4,960,117 again, u will see that I already addressed that
and that we do not disagree on that point.

David

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@OmSigDAVID,

OmSigDAVID wrote:

No; I 'm only conflating 1 word. Just 1; count it.

Conflation occurs when the identities of two or more individuals, concepts, or places, sharing some characteristics of one another, become confused until there seems to be only a single identity — the differences appear to become lost. (Credit wikipedia for that text, emphasis mine)

You seem to believe that having or conserving your values is what makes you politically conservative. While you may be a conservative in addition to conserving your values, there are also politically progressive people who conserve their values as well.

They conserve, but should not be identified as "conservative."

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@DrewDad,

OmSigDAVID wrote:

No; I 'm only conflating 1 word. Just 1; count it.

DrewDad wrote:

Conflation occurs when the identities of two or more individuals, concepts, or places,
sharing some characteristics of one another, become confused until there seems to be only
a single identity — the differences appear to become lost. (Credit wikipedia for that text, emphasis mine)

I already know that.
The fact remains that u tried, unsuccessfully,
to show that there is a difference between being conservative
and being a conserver. He who conserves anything is conservative
qua whatever he is conserving. Its almost a synonymous tautology.

DrewDad wrote:

You seem to believe that having or conserving your values is what makes you politically conservative.

That is true BECAUSE my values mirror those of the Founders
of this Republic, as set forth in the Constitution, as amended.
Conservatism inheres in NOT deviating from those principles,
but rather remaining rigidly orthodox, regardless of any sob stories.

DrewDad wrote:

While you may be a conservative in addition to conserving your values,
there are also politically progressive people

"Progress" toward WHAT???

DrewDad wrote:

who conserve their values as well.

They conserve, but should not be identified as "conservative."

Your analysis is faulty.
Thay are indeed conservative, in regard to their own point of vu, IF thay do not deviate therefrom.

Mao was a conservative communist because he did not deviate
from communist ideology. Boris Yeltsin was a liberal commie,
or even a radical commie, because he rejected communism.

In 1941, Rudolf Hess was a liberal nazi, in that he deviated
from Hitler's war policy by flying to Scotland to meet the Duke of Hamilton
to bring peace with England.

David

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@OmSigDAVID,

OmSigDAVID wrote:

He who conserves anything is conservative
qua whatever he is conserving. Its almost a synonymous tautology.

Only if you ignore the commonly-accepted definitions of the words you're using.

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@msolga,

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But in response to farmer's question, in my opinion it's not so much that discussions & debates of the more "contentious" issues are nastier ... it's that fewer people are actually participating ..... most of whom can confidently predict each other's other's respective "positions" from the word go ....
So often the discussion becomes personal, rather than the intended exchange of ideas.
And all to often a reasonably interesting discussion is taken over/hijacked by the same old posters .... those who relentlessly push their same old tired agendas, no matter what the subject is. You know who I mean.

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@msolga,

Well, I am not going to FAce book. I dont wanna meet up with any old girlfriends on line nor do I have any left over nostalgia for my HS days and companions.

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@farmerman,

No, I doubt I will, either.
I was about to respond to the last few posts & decided it would be easier & quicker to simply quote an earlier comment. Wink

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@DrewDad,

OmSigDAVID wrote:

He who conserves anything is conservative
qua whatever he is conserving. Its almost a synonymous tautology.

DrewDad wrote:

Only if you ignore the commonly-accepted definitions of the words you're using.

OK. We can agree on that.
I can 't help it if people speak incorrectly,
any more than I can help it if thay run the numbers rong on their tax returns.

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@farmerman,

farmerman wrote:

Well, I am not going to FAce book. I dont wanna meet up with any old girlfriends on line nor do I have any left over nostalgia for my HS days and companions.

Man, you are one big sourpuss.

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@Ticomaya,

Aren't we, though?

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@Ticomaya,

Quote:

Man, you are one big sourpuss

I am , aint I.

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We knew that, though . . . get some coffee . . .

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@farmerman,

Quote:

I am , aint I.

Not at all!
Ticomaya is just messin' with your mind, farmer!
Don't fall for that tired old trick! Wink

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