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Kerry v Bush: The Facts, the Campaigns and the Spin...

 
 
Foxfyre
 
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Reply Fri 23 Jul, 2004 12:57 pm
None of the results can be entirely dismissed I think because they all have reputations to maintain even while they try to tweak the momentum to go their preferred way a bit. Gallup for instance probably doesn't have a strong bias and is often hired to run the polls for the alphabet groups, but they will be told what questions to ask. And while the questions themselves can invite a certain response, I don't think Gallup would agree to a poll that would guarantee a certain response.

(I did pay just a little bit of attention in statistics class Smile)
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Thok
 
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Reply Mon 26 Jul, 2004 01:10 am
Kerry can't resist Boston ball game

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Sen. John Kerry pulled a convention-eve surprise Sunday night, taking time out from his swing across the country to attend a baseball game in Boston between the Red Sox and their hated rivals, the New York Yankees.

He threw the first pitch to Will Pumyea, a Massachusetts National Guard soldier who served in Afghanistan and Iraq.

Kerry was continuing on to Florida after the game. He campaigned earlier in Ohio. Both are battleground states in the November election.

He will return to Boston on Wednesday afternoon, hours before he is formally nominated for president in the traditional state-by-state roll call vote.

On the eve of the Democratic convention, a CNN/USA Today/Gallup poll of November battleground states released Sunday showed the race between President Bush and Kerry is too close to call in Florida, Ohio and Missouri. Together, the three states will cast 58 of the 270 electoral votes -- more than 20 percent -- that are needed to win the presidency. (Full story)

Amid extraordinary security, nearly 5,000 Democratic delegates and alternates have gathered in Boston for Monday's opening of the first national political convention since the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001. They are outnumbered 3-to-1 by members of the media. (Special Report: America Votes 2004, the Democratic convention)

Coast Guard boats are patrolling Boston Harbor. Manholes have been welded shut. Few, if any, mailboxes and trash cans are in sight. Interstate 93, the main artery through the city, will be closed during convention hours, and the Boston subway's North Station, a main commuter hub, will be shut down.

Because of those closures, the city has asked workers to stay home during convention week. ($60 million security plan)

Republicans are in town with a 30-member "truth squad" to provide a rapid response to podium speakers. They are borrowing the title of a popular television show to deride what they see as an attempt to repackage Kerry into something they believe he is not.

"I think the reason we're going up there is we're expecting an extreme makeover," Ken Mehlman, chairman of the Bush campaign, said on CNN's "Inside Politics Sunday."

"We want to make sure the American people understand that the John Kerry that may be speaking in the hall is stagecraft."
Richardson: Accentuate positive

Convention chairman Bill Richardson, governor of New Mexico, said Democrats planned to accentuate the positive and focus on Kerry's qualities, rather than bashing Bush for what they see as his shortcomings.

"We're going to talk about positive issues. We're not going to be bashing the president at every turn," Richardson said on "Fox News Sunday."

Organizers dodged potential embarrassment Sunday night when unions representing Boston police and firefighters called off plans to picket 29 welcoming parties for delegates.

Many Democratic officials had said they would not cross the picket lines to attend. Last month, Kerry refused to do so to address a mayor's conference in Boston, saying, "I don't cross picket lines. I never have."

The picketing was called off after firefighters reached a new contract agreement with the city earlier in the day. City officials also have reached a basic agreement with the police union but were still working on details.


full story
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Thok
 
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Reply Mon 26 Jul, 2004 01:33 am
The Solitary Soldier

A Life in Full: He comes from money, but had less than his schoolmates. He is smart and courageous but can be cautious and distant. From childhood to combat to the Senate, exploring the roots of John Kerry's enigmatic character

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Biography of John Kerry from Newsweek
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Mon 26 Jul, 2004 03:56 am
It isn't Kerry's personality that makes me uneasy. It's his being on every side of every issue in this campaign and his voting record that makes me uneasy. He speaks out of a different side of his mouth than he votes iwth.
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nimh
 
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Reply Mon 2 Aug, 2004 02:59 pm
Recommended spin for either party ... <smiles>
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Mon 2 Aug, 2004 03:51 pm
LOL Nimh. Funny Smile

Seriously though, while GWB can be fairly criticized on a number of issues and while he has over the years changed, with explanation, his views on a few--very few-- things, he is not seen as a flip flopper even by his honorable critics on the left. One reason I continue to trust him is because he pretty much is who he says he is and I do think he believes what he believes. I've seen evidence that he can be flexible when practical, but I admire a man who will stand on important principles whether or not they are politically popular.

John Kerry seems to have no convictions about anything. . .or. . .if his voting record over the last 17 years is an indication of where his heart actually does lie, then he is being 100% dishonest in his current campaign rhetoric. And how can you trust a man who waves the flag and medals from Viet Nam after he spent several years trashing both in the most scurulous terms? How does one admire, let alone trust, somebody like that?
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nimh
 
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Reply Thu 5 Aug, 2004 06:29 pm
I gotta admit this picture made me grin ... I'ma trying to ignore the bottom strip and the top slogan, and just look at the people pics theyve managed to cut and paste together there ... I'm sure its very effective ;-)

http://spe.atdmt.com/b/USPERBUSHBUS/bc04_coalition.gif
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Thu 5 Aug, 2004 07:06 pm
The expression on Kerry's face is priceless. Smile
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PDiddie
 
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Reply Thu 5 Aug, 2004 07:14 pm
Photoshopped. Another fraud perpetrated by the GOP.

This is the real deal, though:

"Had I been reading to children and had my top aide whisper in my ear that America is under attack, I would have told those kids very nicely and politely that the president of the United States has something that he needs to attend to."
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Thu 5 Aug, 2004 07:19 pm
Oh we're back to the seven minutes are we? I stay with the school principal who was there and who said the President acted appropriately and in her mind exactly as he should. We don't know what the Aide told him, but if it was a quick briefing on the situation and to stand by, they would have more information shortly, which is what I believe happened, he was quite right to continue reading.
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littlek
 
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Reply Thu 5 Aug, 2004 07:23 pm
Has anyone seen the Charley Reese article in which he backs Kerry? I didn't know anything about Reese (a conservative) and don't really know the veracity of the email I recieved about this article. I did check it out a little on google (no news that I could find on the article at snopes).
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jpinMilwaukee
 
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Reply Thu 5 Aug, 2004 07:31 pm
I read an article by Reese called "Let's dump the American Empire"...he wasn't supporting Kerry but was pretty critical of Bush.
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littlek
 
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Reply Thu 5 Aug, 2004 07:36 pm
I checked out some columns of his. He does not seem to be a Bush fan at all. This article I was sent is called VOTE FOR A MAN, NOT A PUPPET (by Charley Reese).
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nimh
 
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Reply Tue 24 Aug, 2004 04:23 am
Flip - flop - the White House on the SVFT ad ...

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CRAWFORD, Tex., Aug. 23 - President Bush said on Monday that political advertisements run by a broad swath of independent groups should be stopped, including a television advertisement attacking Senator John Kerry's war record. But the White House quickly moved to insist that Mr. Bush had not meant in any way to single out the advertisement run by veterans opposed to Mr. Kerry. [..]

Asked on Monday about one of the anti-Kerry advertisements, financed largely by Texas supporters of Mr. Bush, the president said that he wanted to stop "all of them.''

"That means that ad, every other ad,'' he said. [..]

[But] His press secretary, Scott McClellan, said Mr. Bush had not intended to single out the Swift boat advertisement as one that should be stopped.


LINK
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Sofia
 
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Reply Tue 24 Aug, 2004 12:56 pm
How is that a flip-flop?

Bush is anti-527s.
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Tue 24 Aug, 2004 01:36 pm
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How is that a flip-flop?

Bush is anti-527s.


Yeah, Bush is anti-527s, just like he is pro-environment and a uniter, not a divider.

Why would Bush stop those who are doing his work for him? He can denounce them all day long, while continuing to let them go at it....

Cycloptichorn
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Sofia
 
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Reply Tue 24 Aug, 2004 01:40 pm
Well cyclop, it is a free country. He can't shut them up, no more than he can shut up MoveOn or Micheal Moore.

And, the same onus is on Kerry. Why decry swiftvets, while benefitting from MoveOn? Its all or none.

Bush has gone on record against both. Kerry has only gone on record against the one that is hurting him. (Though I do remember he distanced himself from one particular charge a 527 made against Bush.)
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Tue 24 Aug, 2004 01:43 pm
MoveOn.org has existed for a long time prior to Kerry's nomination.

I used to see moveon.org voting drives on the internet. Sure, they are partisan; they are up front about being so.

SBVfT, on the other hand, came into existence relatively recently and try to hide their partisanship behind a phony banner of patriotism.

I agree, Kerry should distance himself. But to compare Moveon and SBVfT is ludicrous; the aims of the groups, their history, their organization are completely different.

Cycloptichorn
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Sofia
 
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Reply Tue 24 Aug, 2004 01:45 pm
They are both pushing political agendas.

They both benefit presidential candidates.

They are both skirting FEC regulations.

They both have a dog in this fight.
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Tue 24 Aug, 2004 01:48 pm
True, but one organization helps sign people up to vote, and helped conduct online research and opinion forums to help select the Democratic candidate. They have also ran many ads critical of Bush (but I would challenge you to find a lie in any of them...).

The other is trying to make a presidential candidate seem like a liar and coward. This is the sole purpose of SBVft.

I agree with you, they are the same kind of organization; but morally, they couldn't be farther apart.

Cycloptichorn
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