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Kerry v Bush: The Facts, the Campaigns and the Spin...

 
 
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Fri 16 Jul, 2004 09:42 am
Bush's Not-So-Big Tent
July 16, 2004
By BOB HERBERT

Just as George W. Bush is on track to be the first president since Herbert Hoover to preside over a net loss of jobs,
he is now the first president since Hoover to fail to meet with the N.A.A.C.P. during his entire term in office.

Mr. Bush and the leadership of the nation's oldest and
largest civil rights organization get along about as well
as the Hatfields and the McCoys. The president was invited
to the group's convention in Philadelphia this week, but he
declined.

That Mr. Bush thumbed his nose at N.A.A.C.P. officials is
not the significant part of this story. The Julian Bonds
and Kweisi Mfumes of the world can take care of themselves
at least as well as Mr. Bush in the legalized gang fight
called politics.

What is troubling is Mr. Bush's relationship with black
Americans in general. He's very good at using blacks as
political props. And the props are too often part of an
exceedingly cynical production.

Four years ago, on the first night of the Republican
convention, a parade of blacks was hauled before the
television cameras (and the nearly all-white audience in
the convention hall) to sing, to dance, to preach and to
praise a party that has been relentlessly hostile to the
interests of blacks for half a century.

I wrote at the time that "you couldn't tell whether you
were at the Republican National Convention or the Motown
Review."

That exercise in modern-day minstrelsy was supposed to show
that Mr. Bush was a new kind of Republican, a big-tent guy
who would welcome a more diverse crowd into the G.O.P. That
was fiction. It wasn't long before black voters would find
themselves mugged in Florida, and soon after that Mr. Bush
was steering the presidency into a hard-right turn.

Among the most important props of that 2000 campaign were
black children. Mr. Bush could be seen hugging them at
endless photo-ops. He said a Bush administration would do
great things for them. He promised to transform public
education in America. He hijacked the trademarked slogan of
the Children's Defense Fund, "Leave No Child Behind," and
refashioned it for his own purposes. He pasted the new
version, "No Child Left Behind," onto one of the signature
initiatives of his presidency, a supposedly historic
education reform act.

The only problem is that, to date, the act has been
underfunded by $26 billion. A lot of those kids the
president hugged have been left behind.

And why not? They can't do much for him. Michael Moore's
"Fahrenheit 9/11" captured a telling presidential
witticism. Mr. Bush, appearing before a well-heeled
gathering in New York, says: "This is an impressive crowd:
the haves, and the have-mores. Some people call you the
elite. I call you my base."

It wasn't really his base. But the comment spoke volumes.


Mr. Bush said he was a different kind of Republican, but
what black voters see are tax cuts for the very wealthy and
underfunded public schools. What they see is an economy
that sizzles for the haves and the have-mores, but a
harrowing employment crisis for struggling blacks,
especially black men. (When the Community Service Society
looked at the proportion of the working-age population with
jobs in New York City it found that nearly half of all
black men between the ages of 16 and 64 were not working
last year. That's a Depression-era statistic.)

In Florida, where the president's brother is governor, and
Texas, where the president once was the governor, state
officials have been pulling the plug on health coverage for
low-income children. The president could use his
considerable clout to put a stop to that sort of thing, but
he hasn't.

And now we know that Florida was gearing up for a reprise
of the election shenanigans of 2000. It took a court order
to get the state to release a list of 48,000 suspected
felons that was to be used to purge people from the voting
rolls. It turned out that the list contained thousands of
names of black people, who tend to vote Democratic, and
hardly any names of Hispanics, who in Florida tend to vote
Republican.

Once their "mistake" was caught, the officials scrapped the
list.

Mr. Bush plans to address the Urban League convention in
Detroit next week. That would be an excellent time for him
to explain to an understandably skeptical audience why he
campaigned one way - as a big-tent compassionate
conservative - and governed another.


http://www.nytimes.com/2004/07/16/opinion/16HERB.html?ex=1090975525&ei=1&en=f3bea4a7d12c3cef

Copyright 2004 The New York Times Company
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This administration continues to repeat the refrain that Bush has created 1.2 million jobs when in fact there is a net loss of jobs between 2 and 3 million.
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Fri 16 Jul, 2004 09:46 am
He never met with the KKK either.
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Fri 16 Jul, 2004 02:36 pm
link
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Fri 16 Jul, 2004 03:31 pm
To think that John Kerry would be a total wuss on defense I think is foolish. At least in his first term he will expect to run for re-election and will give it at least lip service. Can we expect him to give it less than top priority or importance? Of course. As the author of McG's post pointed out, his track record is less than exemplary. Also, we can assume he would follow the policies the last two Democrat presidents followed and would partially dismantle the military complex that now exists.

After he has been so critical of GWB's emphasis on fighting terrorism, I don't see him having any initiatives on that front.

Of course I'm still shuddering to think what might have been done and left undone had Al Gore been elected in 2000.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sun 18 Jul, 2004 06:06 pm
Bushwacking
"A new poll says that if the election were held today,
John Kerry would beat President Bush by a double digit
margin. The White House is so worried about this,
they're now thinking of moving up the capture of Osama
Bin Laden to next month." -- Jay Leno
President Bush has unveiled his first campaign
commercial, highlighting all of his accomplishments in
office. That's why it's a 15-second spot." -- Jay
Leno

"President Bush says he has just one question for the
American voters,'Is the rich person you're working for
better off now than they were four years ago?'"-- Jay
Leno

"Kerry is well on his way to reaching his magic number
of 2,162. That's the total number of delegates he
needs to win the Democratic nomination. See, for
President Bush it's different. His magic number is
only 5. That's the number of Supreme Court judges
needed to win." -- Jay Leno

"There was a scare in Washington when a man climbed
over the White House wall and was arrested. This
marks the first time a person has gotten into The
White House unlawfully since President Bush." --
David Letterman

"The White House is now backtracking from its
prediction that 2.6 million new jobs will be created
in the U.S. this year. They say they were off, by
roughly 2.6 million jobs." -- Jay Leno

"In Louisiana, President Bush met with over 15,000
National Guard troops. Here's the weird part: nobody
remembers seeing him there." -- Craig Kilborn

"President Bush said he was 'troubled' by gay people
getting married in San Francisco. He said on
important issues like this the people should make the
decision, not judges. Unless of course we're choosing
a president, then he prefers judges." -- Jay Leno

"There was an embarrassing moment in the White House
earlier today. They were looking around searching for
George Bush's military records. They actually found
some old Al Gore ballots." -- David Letterman

"The big story now is that President Bush is coming
under attack for his service in the National Guard.
The commanding officers can't remember seeing Bush
between May and October of '72. President Bush said,
'Remember me? I'm the drunk guy.'" -- Jay Leno

"On 'Meet the Press' yesterday President Bush was
asked what he would do if he lost the election and
Bush said, 'Phhh, you mean like last time?'" -- Jay
Leno

"This week, both John Kerry and Wesley Clark are
making campaign appearance with the guys who saved
their lives in Vietnam. Meanwhile, President Bush is
campaigning with a guy that once took a math test for
him." -- Conan O'Brien

"President Bush released his new $2.4 trillion federal
budget. It has two parts: smoke and mirrors." --
Jay Leno

"Bush admitted that his pre-war intelligence wasn't
what it should have been. We knew that when we
elected him!" -- Jay Leno

"As you know President Bush gave his State of the
Union Address, interrupted 70 times by applause and 45
times by really big words." -- Jay Leno

"President Bush said that American workers will need
new skills to get the new jobs in the 21st century.
Some of the skills they're going to need are Spanish,
Chinese, and Korean, because that's where the jobs
went." -- Jay Leno

"President Bush wants to build a space station on the
moon. And from the moon, he wants to launch people to
Mars. You know what this means. He's drinking
again." -- David Letterman

"Former Treasury Secretary Paul O'Neill has written a
book about his years with the Bush Administration. He
said that President Bush while at cabinet meetings is
disengaged, he's uninformed, distracted, he's passive.
And the Democrats are saying to themselves "How can
we possibly beat this guy?" -- David Letterman

"The new Prime Minister of Spain has called the war in
Iraq a disaster, and plans to bring his troops home as
soon as possible. In fact, President Bush is so upset
at Spain that he is now threatening to close down the
border between Spain and the US." -- Jay Leno

"The U.S. Army confirmed that it gave a lucrative
fighting contract in Iraq to the firm once run by the
Vice President Dick Cheney without any competitive
bidding. When asked if this could be conceived as
Cheney's friends profiting from the war, the spokesman
said, 'Yes.' ' -- Conan O'Brien

"Homeland Security Director Tom Ridge has unveiled a
new color-coded system to warn the public about
different states of danger. Red is the highest state
of alert, and it means that Dick Cheney is about to
eat a mozzarella stick." -- Conan O'Brien

"Dick Cheney finally responded today to demands that
he reveal the details of the Enron meetings. This is
what he said. 'He met with unnamed people, from
unspecified companies, for an indeterminate amount of
time, at an undisclosed location.' Thank God he
cleared that up." -- Jay Leno

"Plans are being discussed as to who will replace Dick
Cheney if he has to resign for health reasons. It's
not easy for President Bush. He can't just name a
replacement. He would first have to be confirmed by
the oil, gas and power companies."
-- Jay Leno

"President Bush spoke briefly to reporters before
playing a round of golf in Crawford, Texas, earlier
today. This raises the question: Shouldn't the guy
who is really running the country and who has had like
20 heart attacks be taking the vacation?" -- Craig
Kilborn

"The White House has now released military documents
they say prove George Bush met his requirements for
the National Guard. Big deal, we've got documents
that prove Al Gore won the election." -- Jay Leno
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Sun 18 Jul, 2004 08:33 pm
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Mon 19 Jul, 2004 01:48 pm
Extremely interesting article on John Kerry and foriegn policy.
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Mon 19 Jul, 2004 06:40 pm
The article basically is complimentaryof Kerry I think. But it definitely illustrates that he will make happy those who don't want the military to do much of anything. Those of us who think a strong and ready military along with a willingness to deploy it is our best hope of peace better look elsewhere for a president.
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Sofia
 
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Reply Tue 20 Jul, 2004 05:22 pm
Truth in Politics...?
Can you ever find any?

Funny, Joe Wilson named his book The Politics of Truth, and has recently been outed as a big liar. Expect the Plame Game to end up with Joe in a bit of trouble. He lied about the validity of Bush's Niger assertion, which turns out to be true--and he lied about the fact that his wife suggested him to be given the assignment.

Thankfully, the truth on this issue, and on Bush's Niger sentence, the 16 words--has indeed come to the surface.

Score a BIG one for the Bush campaign.

Now,we find that Kerry's National Security advisor has removed sensitive foreign policy, and security documents--and did so illegally. Soon after he did, Kerry suddenly began speaking to the same issues that were in the classified documents...

I'll leave it there---but the State Department and the CIA will not.

Looks VERY, VERY BAD for Kerry.

This one has legs.

Oh, yes.

Kerry doesn't need security briefings...? I guess we know why.
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Thok
 
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Reply Wed 21 Jul, 2004 01:02 am
There is now a popular cartoon, that josh to Bush and Kerry. After a flash advertising it starts.

http://www.jibjab.com/thisland.html
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Thok
 
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Reply Wed 21 Jul, 2004 04:47 am
Samuel L. Berger quits as adviser to Kerry

Quote:
WASHINGTON -- Former national security adviser Sandy Berger quit Tuesday as an informal adviser to Democrat John Kerry's presidential campaign after disclosure of a criminal investigation into whether he mishandled classified terrorism documents.

Berger expressed regret over the incident, which he called an ''honest mistake.''

Republicans said the probe raises questions about whether the former Clinton administration official was trying to hide embarrassing materials from the public. Democrats questioned why disclosure of a months-old investigation came just before Thursday's release of the final report by the commission investigating the Sept. 11 attacks.

The report is expected to be highly critical of the government's handling of the pre-Sept. 11 terror threat.

''So is this about Sandy Berger, or is this about politics?'' asked Sen. Barbara Mikulski (D-Md.).

Former President Bill Clinton weighed in, telling reporters at a Denver autograph session for his book My Life that ''it's interesting timing.'' Berger served as national security adviser for all of Clinton's second term.

Speaking to reporters outside his office Tuesday, Berger said: ''Last year, when I was in the Archives reviewing documents, I made an honest mistake. It's one that I deeply regret.

''I dealt with this issue in October 2003 fully and completely. Everything that I have done all along in this process has been for the purpose of aiding and supporting the work of the 9/11 commission, and any suggestion to the contrary is simply absolutely wrong.''

The Justice Department is investigating whether Berger committed a crime by removing from the National Archives documents about the government's anti-terror efforts and notes that he took on those documents.

Berger and his lawyer, Lanny Breuer, said Berger knowingly removed the handwritten notes by placing them in his jacket and pants and inadvertently took copies of actual classified documents in a leather portfolio.

Deputy Attorney General James Comey would not comment on the investigation other than that in general the Justice Department takes ''very, very seriously'' allegations of mishandled classified materials. AP




source
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Wed 21 Jul, 2004 09:04 am
Ewww let's don't schluck up this thread with another Berger 'documents down his pants' thread. Lots of other threads going on that subject.
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Thok
 
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Reply Wed 21 Jul, 2004 11:38 pm
alright

but there is another again ... http://www.able2know.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=29452
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nimh
 
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Reply Thu 22 Jul, 2004 05:43 am
New Pew poll, only 2,5% MoE

Quote:
[..] When people are asked which party would do a better job of handling a given issue, Democrats are now 12 points up on handling the economy and have an even larger lead on issues from education to health care and the environment [..]

They are about even with Republicans on which party would do the better job on Iraq and foreign policy and are almost even with the GOP on which party is stronger on the issue of morality.

Republicans are stronger than Democrats on the issue of fighting terrorism.

More details here.
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Thu 22 Jul, 2004 08:01 am
However the most recent Rasmussen poll has Bush even with Kerry on confidence in handling the economy. Other numbers are similar as cited.
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nimh
 
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Reply Thu 22 Jul, 2004 05:23 pm
Foxfyre wrote:
However the most recent Rasmussen poll has Bush even with Kerry on confidence in handling the economy. Other numbers are similar as cited.

Looks like Rasmussen is the odd one out, then, compared to the most recent polls by 1) Pew, 2) ABC/WaPo, 3) Fox, and 4) Time/CNN - all of whom have Kerry in the lead on handling the economy.
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Fri 23 Jul, 2004 11:19 am
Could be. I think Rasmussen's track record has been pretty good so far though and we'll see who finishes first on the accuracy meter in November.
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nimh
 
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Reply Fri 23 Jul, 2004 12:09 pm
One poll can turn out to be pretty good - or not so good. Two polls can still happen to together be wrong in the same way, I guess. When five polls all point a certain direction, its a good time to start paying attention. Even the best of polls can have an off-year; better look at which way the overall cluster of polls points.

Anyway, the only polls we'll be able to check on accuracy in November are the election match-up polls: those will be set in stark comparison to the actual result. Questions like who voters trust on which individual issue cant ever be checked except for by other polls ... people dont vote on individual issues, they vote on the overall picture, and what exactly motivated them to shift one way or another will forever be subject of speculation ... people dont even always vote on the issues. Its pure background info, just so many hints about which way the only numbers that really matter - the match-up ones - will break ...
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Fri 23 Jul, 2004 12:19 pm
The reason I trust Rasmussen (and even Zogby who doesn't have as good a track record) is I have not been able to detect any bias re the outcome. I do detect a good deal of bias in all the alphabet news organization who run these knds of polls. All you have to do is check the funding for Pew to know which way the political winds blow there. Smile

Perhaps averages, even by biased organizations, will provide better accuracy than one or two unbiased sources. That I don't know.

It will be interesting to test all their records on accuracy come November.
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nimh
 
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Reply Fri 23 Jul, 2004 12:46 pm
Hmmm ... havent been able to detect much bias on the part of Pew this election campaign yet, not when it came to the Bush vs Kerry poll, anyway ...

Eg, they've had 6 two-way-race polls out this year thus far; twice, they had a better result for Bush than the other five, resp. seven polls out in the same 10-day period; three times, they had a worse result for Bush than the three-four other polls out around the same time. So mostly, they've just been all over the place ;-)

<checks something else>

Well, those six times their numbers were on average 1,5% worse for Bush than the average of polls in the same timeframe, so perhaps you are a little right <nods>. (I should calculate that for all polls ... although Federal Review already did that once, they just didnt include Pew)
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