Florida's Stand your Ground law

There is no tyrrany of any rich man.
U can still vote however u want.



U have confused being free
with being financially well off.

Being free means that government is cramped,
curtailed and strangled in its jurisdicion over u.

The more we degrade government,
the freer we will be!





David

Dave's idea of "freedom" is anarchy.

You wrote,

Is that why the christian right wants to control women's vaginas, marriage for gays and lesbians, and minorities right to vote?

You're close, farmer, but would it were that simple. Dave's idea of freedom is total liberty for him and screw you, Jack. Wish I had a nickel for every time that he's posted how good it is to be selfish.

And you got impatient with me for taking a couple of hours to respond to one of your posts.

I 'd like to agree with that, but I can 't go that far.
I see the value of government's coining gold & silver
and in co-ordinating wars.



Maybe I was not clear. Everyone shud be selfish.
Because of citizens' stinginess with granting jurisdiction
to government, all citizens shud be freer.

If u accuse me of hogging freedom to myself,
then that is an unfair distortion of my position.

I thawt that u had turned your back upon it
and that u had abandoned it.

After a couple of poxy hours? I have a family to cater for, meals to cook, clothes to wash etc. etc.

OK. U sound better fed and cleaner.

Tampa Bay Online
Sept. 12, 2012

WEST PALM BEACH —
Members of a task force reviewing Florida's "stand your ground" law
expressed wide support today for the statute's core provision that
deadly force can be used if necessary to prevent death or serious injury.

Though the discussions of the Task Force on Citizen Safety and Protection
remained precursors to their ultimate recommendations to Gov. Rick Scott
and the Legislature, members voiced strong approval of the notion
that citizens have no duty to retreat if seriously threatened.

Okaloosa County Sheriff Larry Ashley called the idea of redefining
the law's "duty to retreat" provision "incomprehensible." The Rev.
R.B. Holmes, the committee's vice chairman, said it was "a Christian
virtue." Circuit Judge Krista Marx said the fact that 25 other states
followed Florida's lead in establishing such a law "speaks volumes."

"There could be no more important right than to protect your life
and the lives of your family members," said Miami defense attorney Mark Seiden,
who said it was a "God-given right."

Absent from the first several hours of discussion was any mention
of Trayvon Martin, the unarmed 17-year-old whose fatal shooting by
neighborhood watch volunteer George Zimmerman sparked mass
outrage and the establishment of the task force.

Zimmerman has pleaded not guilty to second-degree murder in the
February shooting, claiming self-defense. The 2005 "stand your ground"
legislation has been widely cited in the case.

Allie Braswell, head of the Central Florida Urban League and a part
of the Second Chance on Shoot First campaign, which opposes the
law, said he was disheartened by the level of support voiced by the
committee's members on Wednesday.

"I always remain open that the right thing will be done and this law
will be repealed," said Braswell, who planned to address the
committee in a second day of meetings Thursday in Miami, "but I
really see that as a challenge with this group."

The day opened with a presentation by a University of Florida law
professor, who presented data showing that since the "stand your ground"
law was passed, the state has seen an increase in the number
of homicides and an increase in the number of homicides ruled justifiable,
but a decrease in the overall rate of violent crime, but the professor,
Monique Haughton Worrell, said no conclusions could be drawn from
the data and it was not known what correlation the numbers had to
the law's passage.

The task force members acknowledged "stand your ground" cases
were not uniformly handled across the state and that the public has
shown some wariness to the way in which it has been applied.
Joe Caimano, an attorney appointed to the committee, said Floridians
have become skeptical of prosecutors' process of determining
whether to charge an individual because of the self-defense law,
but participants seemed to be heading toward recommending
tweaks of the legislation, not a repeal. Rep. Dennis Baxley, R-Ocala,
a sponsor of the law, echoed many of the participants in suggesting
any problems with the legislation don't lay in the statute itself.

"The biggest problem is uniformity of application, not the legislation," he said.

That was little comfort to Sandra and David Boden of West Palm Beach,
who gave tearful testimony of their son's killing and the subsequent
dismissal of the case because they said prosecutors felt they
couldn't be successful given the law.

"It is not self-defense when you kill an unarmed young man," David Boden
said. "Their hands are tied because of such a vague law."

[That depends on WHAT the "unarmed young man" is DOING when u kill him. David]

All emfasis and all use of colored font has been added by David.

The Founders woud have put these defensive principles
into the Constitution, if thay had thought of it.





David

DNA tests exclude Martin from gun grip in Zimmerman case

Correct me, if I 'm rong on this point,
but Trayvon has not been accused of borrowing the gun for suicide.

I hear that in the UK, two female police officers were gunned down yesterday.

Both were unarmed and unable to defend themselves.

The supporters of victim disarmament
must be very happy.





David

Don't be ridiculous David, nobody's at all happy.

The bad guys r probably happy that thay did not get SHOT.

The mind of a simpleton.

On the medical records:



Since the prosecutors subpoened the records and they are the ones wanting them in court, they must favor the prosecutors case or else they wouldn't be wanting them in the record.

Jumping to conclusions. Simply put he should go to jail because he was stalking the kid. He should have called the cops than got the hell out of the way.