Florida's Stand your Ground law

@Thomas,

Yeah, I'm no lawyer, but the idea that you can shoot an unarmed person because you're not required to avoid the situation just seems counter to common American notions of justice. If you carry a weapon you should have a higher burden of caution.

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@FreeDuck,

FreeDuck wrote:

If you carry a weapon you should have a higher burden of caution.

I agree, too. But there are only two eye-witnesses of the shooting, at least to all I could find out - and one is dead.

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Maybe someone will shoot this scary bastard and also get a pass. And gun owners dont want to be held to any laws, they just want to kill something.

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This story is unbelievable...he has a bag of skittles and iced tea in his hand walking home from a store...and was shot by a neighborhood watch? WHAAAAATTTTT! Is Florida now the new Texas?

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@Thomas,

For sure.

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@RABEL222,

RABEL222 wrote:

Maybe someone will shoot this scary bastard and also get a pass.

R u gonna do it ??

RABEL222 wrote:

And gun owners dont want to be held to any laws, they just want to kill something.

I don 't wanna kill any"thing".

David

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@OmSigDAVID,

for what it's worth, dave, you come across as itching to shoot someone who is intruding on you...

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@Rockhead,

It's such people that fuel the anti gun calls. People are afraid to let trigger happy jerks loose with one.

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@Cycloptichorn,

Cycloptichorn wrote:

It's a crazy thing that this guy, who committed homicide,

Homicide is not always illegal; homicide is not always bad.
It depends on the particular circumstances,
specifically what the decedent was DOING just b4 he got killed.

Cycloptichorn wrote:

wasn't arrested and charged with a crime. Just insane.

Bunch of Floridiots down there

Cycloptichorn

I 'm tempted to move down to Florida.
I have some good friends there.

David

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@edgarblythe,

You are to right.

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@Rockhead,

Rockhead wrote:

for what it's worth, dave, you come across as itching to shoot someone
who is intruding on you...

Maybe I might do it, but no itching.
Truely, I 'd more likely just throw him out;
too much annoyance, otherwise, but some victims have been charged
by the predators.

THEN, u need to take care of business as soon as possible
(like if he has already shot at me FIRST, as actually happened).

Anyway, I don 't want dead, bloody corpses on my hands; messy.

David

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I will add THIS, tho:
when my fellow citizen makes the world a safer place
by taking out a genuine, dangerous, malicious bad guy,
that citizen has my GRATITUDE and my good will!!!!!

If I sit on a criminal jury,
I will not forget that.

David

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@FreeDuck,

FreeDuck wrote:

I mean at least arrest him and let a judge or jury decide if it was self defense,
as they did with the first guy, who actually was defending himself
but still had to sit in jail for 3 years while they figured it out.

U APPROVE of that, FreeDuck!!???????

U admire, u favor and u esteem the fact that the innocent man
"had to sit in jail for 3 years while they figured it out", as u put it????

OK, presumably U r also innocent of that crime.
Shud u be subjected to the same 3 years in jail or in prison " while they figured it out?? "

Please let us know.

David

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@OmSigDAVID,

Ill leave that up to the gun nuts like you. After all guns dont kill people, people kill people. What a crock!

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@RABEL222,

RABEL222 wrote:

Ill leave that up to the gun nuts like you.

Well, I REFUSE the job. He 's safe from ME.

RABEL222 wrote:

After all guns dont kill people, people kill people. What a crock!

O, yeah, like no people got killed b4 guns were invented.
Are ALL of your beliefs that good, 222 ?????????

David

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@FreeDuck,

FreeDuck wrote:

Yeah, I'm no lawyer, but the idea that you can shoot an unarmed person
because you're not required to avoid the situation just seems
counter to common American notions of justice. If you carry a
weapon you should have a higher burden of caution.

NO. Its a lot better to be tried by 12 men, than carried by 6.

U approve of perfectly innocent men being kept in jail for YEARS.

That tells us something about your judgment, FreeDuck.
If your own judgment were applied to u (being innocent),
then u 'd not be such a Free Duck.

David

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DOJ:

Quote:

“The Justice Department’s Civil Rights Division, the U.S. Attorney’s Office for the Middle District of Florida, and the FBI opened an investigation into the facts and circumstances of the shooting death of Trayvon Martin. The department will conduct a thorough and independent review of all of the evidence and take appropriate action at the conclusion of the investigation. The department also is providing assistance to and cooperating with the state officials in their investigation into the incident. With all federal civil rights crimes, the government must prove beyond a reasonable doubt that a person acted intentionally and with the specific intent to do something which the law forbids – the highest level of intent in criminal law. Negligence, recklessness, mistakes and accidents are not prosecutable under the federal criminal civil rights laws. The Community Relations Service will be in Sanford, Fla., this week to meet with civil rights leaders, community leaders, and local law enforcement to address tension in the community.”

http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entries/doj-fbi-opens-investigation-of-trayvon-martin-death

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The case in which the kid was shot is an aberration and the person involved appears to be a very loose cannon who has just made life much harder for everybody out there who has some real need for concealed carry.

For all the world it sounds like he picked a fight with the kid, lost it, and then pulled out a gun and killed the kid. It wasn't that long ago in the US when a person who started a fist fight and lost it was expected to take whatever ass beating was involved like a man and not pull out a gun and kill somebody.

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@jcboy,

jcboy wrote:

This story is unbelievable...he has a bag of skittles and iced tea in his hand walking home from a store...and was shot by a neighborhood watch? WHAAAAATTTTT! Is Florida now the new Texas?

Nah. In Texas, you don't get shot for carrying Skittles, you get shot for stealing Twinkies. Totally different.

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@ehBeth,

ehBeth wrote:

White Floridians scare me.

The shooter in this case was an Hispanic male with the last name of Zimmerman.

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