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drug tests for welfare recipients?

 
 
hilbert
 
Reply Mon 18 Jun, 2012 10:05 am
The Florida Legislature, as part of enacting "Jim Crow 2.0" passed a state law that welfare recipients are required to pass periodic drug tests to receive welfare.
Of course they are paying for the drug tests, so "Jim Crow 2.0" is costing Florida taxpayers $45k/welfare recipient/year more

http://www.tampabay.com/news/courts/florida-didnt-save-money-by-drug-testing-welfare-recipients-data-shows/1225721
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ehBeth
 
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Reply Mon 18 Jun, 2012 10:07 am
@hilbert,
http://able2know.org/topic/172899-1
ehBeth
 
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Reply Mon 18 Jun, 2012 10:08 am
@ehBeth,
http://able2know.org/topic/186479-1
ehBeth
 
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Reply Mon 18 Jun, 2012 10:09 am
@ehBeth,
http://able2know.org/topic/188231-1
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roger
 
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Reply Mon 18 Jun, 2012 08:37 pm
@hilbert,
$45k per recipient per year? What are they doing, flying each and every one of them to the Mayo Clinic for each test?
edgarblythe
 
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Reply Mon 18 Jun, 2012 08:47 pm
It is my contention that they give much more money to the rich than to the poor. But nobody ever insists they prove they deserve it. Yet, the poor are expected to to be Ward and June Cleaver, as in Leave it to Beaver, to qualify.
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hilbert
 
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Reply Tue 19 Jun, 2012 01:41 pm
@roger,
Assuming Florida gives out weekly welfare checks, that is about $865/test, which does seem outlandish to me too. I'll research it more.
Irishk
 
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Reply Tue 19 Jun, 2012 02:00 pm
Quick Fact: As of May 16, 2012, at least 28 states put forth proposals in 2012 to require drug testing or screening for public assistance applicants or recipients.
Three states passed legislation in 2011 and four states have passed legislation in 2012, bringing the total number of states to seven. In 2012, Utah passed legislation requiring applicants to complete a written questionnaire screening for drug use and Georgia passed legislation requiring drug tests for all applicants for Temporary Assistance for Needy Families. Tennessee approved a bill to require substance abuse testing for all applicants and Oklahoma passed a measure requiring all applicants for TANF to be screened for illegal drug use.

Map of 2012 State Legislative Proposals:

http://www.ncsl.org/Portals/1/ImageLibrary/WebImages/Human%20Services/DrugTestingBillsFeb2012.gif
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hilbert
 
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Reply Tue 19 Jun, 2012 02:00 pm
@roger,
I read it wrong. The number was that the WHOLE program would cost Florida $45k/week more when comparing the likely savings in welfare payments drug users to the costs of the drug tests. This article explains it:

http://www.alternet.org/newsandviews/article/906170/florida_data_shows_welfare_drug_tests_cost_more_taxpayer_money%2C_not_less/
roger
 
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Reply Tue 19 Jun, 2012 02:01 pm
@hilbert,
Do, please. Even in the northern "pork chop counties", the can't be that dumb.
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Butrflynet
 
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Reply Tue 3 Jul, 2012 11:23 am
https://sphotos.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/542465_10151834140415710_1661435296_n.jpg
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JPB
 
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Reply Tue 3 Jul, 2012 11:30 am
@hilbert,
Follow the money. Chances are someone in the legislative process (or a large financial contributor) owns the drug testing labs.
Thomas
 
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Reply Tue 3 Jul, 2012 11:36 am
I hope the federal government makes investment bankers pee in those cups before giving them their next bailout. Fair is fair.
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ehBeth
 
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Reply Tue 3 Jul, 2012 11:55 am
@JPB,
JPB wrote:

Follow the money. Chances are someone in the legislative process (or a large financial contributor) owns the drug testing labs.


that's what was determined on the other two threads where this was discussed (I thought you were one of the people who found the info).
JPB
 
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Reply Tue 3 Jul, 2012 12:37 pm
@ehBeth,
Yes, in the case of FL. I was speaking in a general sense re other states who have passed or are considering similar legislation. I didn't go back to the other threads - my web surfing/linking is limited at the moment - was one of them the ALEC laws thread?
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Steve Drew
 
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Reply Thu 8 Nov, 2012 12:52 am
@hilbert,
Hello Friends,

Florida law now requires all aid applicants to be drug tested while Arizona and Missouri require testing for anyone they "reasonably" suspect of illegal drug use.
Other ways welfare rules may change:
•At least 10 states are considering bills that would require photo identification for food stamps or electronic benefit cards.
•At least two states — Ohio and Tennessee — are considering restricting or eliminating eligibility for those convicted of drug felonies.
•At least two states —North Carolina and New Jersey— are considering requiring people to perform community service to receive government help.

Thanks and Regards
Steve Drew
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Baldimo
 
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Reply Thu 24 Jan, 2013 12:52 pm
@hilbert,
The only problem with your use of the "Jim Crow 2.0" is this. Most people on public assistance are white people and not minorities. If you think it is Jim Crow 2.0 then you must think that a majority of people on public assistance are indeed minorities. A little racist don't ya think?
BeHereNow
 
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Reply Sat 18 Jan, 2014 03:49 am
It seems there is some misinformation about Florida drug testing of welfare applicants.
Estimated taxpayer savings from drug related denials for the first quarter was $1.8 Million, not what I would call a failure.
Please use the hyperlinks to the sources I quote below.
keep in mind that the only ones allowed to be tested (by law) are those applying for cash assistance, so they have NO income.
No income, but test dirty for drugs.
They wouldn't be using their money for drugs, it would be our money.
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"Welfare drug testing" refers only to TANF parents of TANF children (TANF = cash assistance), it is not an entitlement program.
It violates federal law to drug test for food stamps, Medicaid, WIC, other welfare programs.
The case of Florida is often cited by liberals, (with much misinformation) and a fine example of what occurs with current federal laws.
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Beginning in July 2011, Florida began requiring adults who were otherwise eligible for welfare cash assistance to submit a negative drug test before receiving benefits. Since the program has been in effect for a full quarter, this report looks at the state’s experience during these first three months, and updates projections of the law’s likely fiscal impact during the first full year of operation. The program is currently subject to a lawsuit in federal court filed by the ACLU of Florida challenging the constitutionality of this requirement, which is explicitly allowed by federal law.
FIRST QUARTER RESULTS
• 48% drop in cash assistance approvals since drug test requirement
The impact of drug testing for welfare cash assistance is having a dramatic impact on approvals for cash assistance. Approvals for September 2011 (for cash assistance applicants for eligible adults subject to the drug testing requirement) were 62 percent lower than September 2010 and 48 percent lower than in June 2011, the month before the drug testing requirement took effect.
This reduction is exclusive to cash assistance. Food Stamps and Medicaid approvals are consistent with levels seen throughout 2010 and to date in 2011.
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In the first quarter, 7,028 applicants completed the drug test and tested negative for drug use, completing their eligibility requirements for welfare cash assistance. Of these 7,028 approved applicants, only 2,163 adults (from 1,971 families) requested and received reimbursement for their drug testing fees. That means just 28 percent of approved applicants have requested and received reimbursement in the first quarter. Average reimbursement per adult is $26.78 with a total of $57,920.95 in testing fees reimbursed.

http://www.floridafga.org/2011/10/floridas-drug-test-law-for-welfare-cash-assistance-first-quarter-facts-2/

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"In the last line they (newspapers) do admit that there are about 800 and some people who refuse to take the drug test," he said, "which tells me if you add 'em all together there's 1,000 people out there on drugs. Nine out of ten of them are smart enough not to take the drug test."
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Who started their application but didn’t take the test: Kreegel said 800 or so people walked away before taking the drug test. The department reported a number nearly three times as high -- 2,306.
We asked the department if it had any way to know why people didn’t take the test.
"There is no way to determine why someone did not take the test," said Joe Follick, DCF spokesman. "We did not have the capacity or legal authority to survey each applicant's decision-making process."
http://www.politifact.com/florida/statements/2012/feb/28/paige-kreegel/about-800-people-refused-get-drug-screening-becaus/

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In May 2011, the Florida Legislature passed and Governor Rick Scott signed into law HB 353 requiring applicants for Temporary Cash Assistance (TCA, Florida’s TANF program) to have a negative drug test before receiving cash benefits. Federal welfare reform legislation signed by President Clinton in 1996 specifically allows states such discretion. Florida’s DCF implemented the drug testing requirement on July 1, 2011. On September 7, 2011, the American Civil Liberties Union of Florida announced a lawsuit challenging the constitutionality of the new law.

Drug Testing Process
Not all cash assistance applicants are required to get a drug test. According to Department of Children and Families (DCF) officials, agency specialists perform an initial screening to determine if an applicant is otherwise eligible before requiring a drug test. This is important as typically 37,400 applicants for TCA are processed monthly, but only about 7,000 (19 percent) are determined eligible and given cash assistance.
http://www.floridafga.org/2011/09/the-impact-of-florida-new-drug-test-requirement-for-welfare-cash-assistance/
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panzade
 
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Reply Sat 18 Jan, 2014 06:03 am
@Baldimo,
Good catch!
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BeHereNow
 
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Reply Sun 19 Jan, 2014 07:18 am
When I compare the racial demographics of my caseload to my county, the minorities are UNDER represented.
This is not typical of all caseloads, but it is for mine.
 

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