Florida's Stand your Ground law

@snood,

It's kinda like going to the lake for the weekend, Snood.

it's a pretty nice place to be, with lotsa fun things to do, but...

sometimes near the water it smells of dead fish. or hawkeyes. or dave...

I mostly just stay outta those conversations when the goofballs take over.

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@hawkeye10,

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Controlling your environment is over rated.....my advice is to learn to live with diversity.

That's pretty funny.
You find the non-stop rantings of the usuals contribute to diversity? Wink

I find them mind-numbingly repetitive & thoroughly, eye glazingly predictable ... no matter on which thread.
The kiss of death to any previous interest.
Apart from to you guys, of course.

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@msolga,

msolga wrote:

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Controlling your environment is over rated.....my advice is to learn to live with diversity.

That's pretty funny.
You find the non-stop rantings of the usuals contribute to diversity?
I find them mind-numbingly repetitive & thoroughly, eye glazingly predictable ... no matter on which thread.
The kiss of death to any previous interest.
Apart from to you guys, of course.

You are clearly hopelessly confused as usual..."diversity" refers to a collective of many different individuals, it does not refer to one confused or refusing to take a position person.

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@hawkeye10,

When I spoke of "diversity" I meant a diversity of ideas, from different posters ...
I assumed that's what you meant.
That's what usually makes a discussion interesting, yes?
I think it's you who's confused, actually, if you think that this non-stop ranting is vaguely interesting to anyone but the usual ranters.

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@msolga,

Text me about that comment that is no doubt in doors behin

What cracks me about that comment as it is no doubt indoors protected from the elements, In air-conditioned comfort and artificial lighting.

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@Lustig Andrei,

Lustig Andrei wrote:

It's absolutely breath-taking
how much nonsense you can put into just one post, David. You're the champ, man!

Maybe its just asthma, Andy; try some Primatene Mist.
Let us know if that works. Good Luck.

David

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@hawkeye10,

sozobe wrote:

I'm all for diversity.

Not a big fan of idiocy, though.

And there's been a fair amount of that on display here. I get FreeDuck's frustration.

hawkeye10 wrote:

I am with you, but a lot of people who claim to value diversity
really do not tolorate diversity of ideas or worldviews AT ALL!

I have a T shirt
with pictures of many different makes & models of revolvers and pistols
over a caption of "CELEBRATE DIVERSITY !"

It has gotten a lot of favorable attention.

David

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@dlowan,

Yeah it's probably time for that.

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@FreeDuck,

It seems to have died of its own accord, FreeDuck. Not too surprisingly.
But thank you for a very interesting discussion .... until it went right off the rails, I mean. Wink

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@FreeDuck,

Ok, then.

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At the risk of reviving the shenanigans, I wondered today what became of the Brandon Baker case. It looks like there has still not been an arrest. In case it got lost in all the noise, here is Brandon's Story.

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@FreeDuck,

This does not sounds like a case of Stand Your Ground. I don't understand how you can reach into a car and punch someone after getting pepper sprayed. How can you see? I think this guy needs the chair.

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@Baldimo,

I agree. The whole idea that you can shoot someone for punching you just seems wrong. I don't believe it's a case of SYG either, yet the guy hasn't been arrested, and this happened in early March.

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@FreeDuck,

FreeDuck wrote:

At the risk of reviving the shenanigans, I wondered today what became of the Brandon Baker case.
It looks like there has still not been an arrest.
In case it got lost in all the noise, here is Brandon's Story.

FreeDuck's Link wrote:

On Tuesday March 6th at 2 a.m., Brandon Baker was driving his vehicle on his way home with his twin brother driving another vehicle behind him, while Seth Browning, an off-duty security officer driving his personal vehicle, decided to tailgate and follow Brandon all the way to the entrance of his apartment complex. When Brandon pulled to the side of the road so the pursuer, Seth Browning, could go around him, he pulled to the side behind him. When Brandon approached Seth Browning’s vehicle to see what his intentions were, the aggressor, Seth Browning, pepper sprayed Brandon in the face, and as Brandon fell while covering and rubbing his face, Seth Browning, again as the aggressor, shot and killed Brandon. Brandon’s twin brother Chris exited his vehicle once he saw his brother staggering and falling. As he approached the aggressor’s vehicle, Seth Browning aimed his gun at Chris but backed down as Chris assisted his mortally wounded brother.

FreeDuck's Link wrote:

Seth Browning IS the Aggressor with four acts of aggression:

1st act of aggression on Browning’s part was to tailgate Brandon at the late hour he did (2am).

I disagree. Any person is fully within his moral and legal rights to follow anyone else,
except if Judicially enjoined against so doing.

I speak as a citizen who has ALREADY been tailgated on the road
at around 1 AM, and then shot at, taking a slug in my driver's side window.
If it happens another 25 times, I will continue to defend the rights of any citizen
to follow anyone else, in normal use of the roads.

FreeDuck's Link wrote:

2nd act of aggression was to pull in behind him as Brandon pulled to the side of the road
to allow his pursuer to go around him.

Again, I disagree. Any citizen is within his rights to park his car on a public road.

FreeDuck's Link wrote:

3rd act of aggression was to pepper spray Brandon in the face
as he approached Browning’s car to find out what his intentions were.

I AGREE that Browning was both legally & morally rong.
Brandon did nothing rong, in approaching Browning to speak with him.
Brandon did not threaten Browning and he was fully within
his legal and moral rights to approach him to speak to him
(as Zimmy was in similar circumstances).

FreeDuck's Link wrote:

(Keep in mind that Browning’s car was not a police car, nor were there flashing police lights
which would alert Brandon to remain in his vehicle.)

4th act of aggression was to deliver a “killshot” to Brandon
as he fell to Browning’s car covering and rubbing his face.

AGREED; Browning deserves the death penalty.
Decedent 's brother shud have shot him at the scene.

If Florida has the death penalty, it woud be well applied to Mr. Browning
(who has a very distinguished name; I hope that he is not related to John Moses Browning).

My agreement is limited to condemnation of both spraying Brandon and shooting him, not
to any enumeration of alleged OTHER acts of "aggression".

David

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@FreeDuck,

FreeDuck wrote:

I agree. The whole idea that you can shoot someone for punching you just seems wrong.

That is very poorly considered.
Men have perished from getting slugged.
Others lost eyesight and hearing, on a permanent basis.

It is very difficult to believe that anyone
woud advocate that a citizen shud have to put up with that,
just taking his chances qua what additional impacts will cause,
FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE BAD GUY, instead of shooting him, as Zimmy did. Such forbearance is irrational.

Such forbearance is passively suicidal.

David

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@OmSigDAVID,

seems like Dave has reached a decision in this matter without benefit of any evidence other than hearsay.

HMMMMM.

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@farmerman,

I don't think David understands the concept of EQUAL force. If someone takes a pot-shot at me with an air rifle, a BB gun, that does not give me the right to go for my fully-automatic Uzi or AK47 and blast his sorry ass off the planet. If someone attacks me with his fists, I have no right to pull a knife on him (absent any debilitating infirmity on my part). The concept of equal force has been upheld on numerous occasions in the courts.

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@farmerman,

farmerman wrote:

seems like Dave has reached a decision in this matter
without benefit of any evidence other than hearsay.

HMMMMM.

Does it MATTER to an idle discussion group ?
Is either side affected ??
I am not the judge presiding in this litigation,
nor am I seated on the jury.

We r all free to be influenced by any new evidence that arrives.

David

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@Lustig Andrei,

Lustig Andrei wrote:

I don't think David understands the concept of EQUAL force. If someone takes a pot-shot at me with an air rifle, a BB gun,
that does not give me the right to go for my fully-automatic Uzi or AK47 and blast his sorry ass off the planet.

The issue is whether u r faced with a real threat or a joke.
If someone is provoking a pillow fight
or a snowball fight, it 'd be improper to employ defensive gunfire.
That is the criterion, as I see it; whether u r in danger.

Lustig Andrei wrote:

If someone attacks me with his fists, I have no right to pull a knife on him (absent any debilitating infirmity on my part). The concept of equal force has been upheld on numerous occasions in the courts.

Do u have enuf time to judge your current state of health?
Andy, if someone gets mad at u and starts slugging u,
do u know that his next impact will not inflict grave injury on u??
Sometimes u do; not always. I remember Maralyn hammering on me with her fists.
Then she used her giant radio.
I was not annoyed n did not feel threatened,
but such is not always the case.

In a real fight, Andy, how long does it take
for a guy to jab your eye out or break your eardrum ??
An adroit strike to the neck?? Can that do any damage?
How about boxing your ears? How long does that take??
Your suggested implications r too speculative; risky.

I don 't favor the "cast your fate to the winds" filosofy;
better to be tried by 12 than carried by 6. "He who hesitates is lost."

Do u see my point ??

David

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@OmSigDAVID,

OmSigDAVID wrote:

Do u see my point ??

I do. But I dissent from it.

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