Steve (as 41oo) wrote:Moishe asks me
Quote:Why do you believe that establishing a Jewish State was wrong?
Because among other things, its against the Will of G-d.
http://www.jewsagainstzionism.com/
This is one of the most pertinent things you have written.
I's wrong, but very pertinent.
The reason it's wrong is because who are you (or in this case "they") to decied what is the Will of G-d?
To wit - a quote selected at random from your website (mainly because I learn the Chofetz Chaim a lot):
Quote:CLARIFICATION OF STATEMENTS BY RABBI CHAFETZ CHAIM
Article pertaining to a recent question submitted to the website regarding statements by Rabbi Chafetz Chaim (1843-1933) as clarified in the writings of his great disciple, Rabbi Elchonon Wasserman (1870-1939).
With regard to your question as to the source of the statement of Rabbi Chafetz Chaim that the Zionists are the descendants of Amalek.
In the book written by Rabbi Teitelbaum, Al Hageulah Ve-al Hatemurah [On Redemption and the False ?'Redemption'], Section 61, p. 109, it is written:
" It is known that Rabbi Chafetz Chaim, of blessed memory, spent his entire life teaching the laws related to refraining from slander and gossip in his great book called Chafetz Chaim [Who Desires Life], and his disciple Rabbi Elchonon Wasserman, of blessed memory, said in his teacher's name that the Zionists were true Amalekites.
In addition, Rabbi Baruch Kaplan, of blessed memory, who was the director of the Beis Yaakov Girls School in the United States (who described the events in Hebron in 1929) stated that Rabbi Chafetz Chaim stated that the Zionists are not Jews, they are descendants of the wicked Amalekites.
I found the following in an article (Omer Ani Maasay Lemelech) published in a collection of writings on the Talmud in Vilna in 1936 by Rabbi Wasserman. In section 3 it states as follows:
I heard Rabbi Chafetz Chaim state regarding the Jewish Communists (Yevsektsia) that "it is beyond any doubt that they are descended from Amalekites."
Then in section 4 he writes:
It is written in Exodus 17:16 that there is to be a war against Amalek in every generation, and the Torah testifies that this war exists in all generations until the arrival of the Messiah. However, in earlier generations, when the Jewish People were loyal to the Torah, the struggle against the forces of Amalek involved Amalek being outside of the Jewish People, ever since Jews abandoned Judaism Amalek penetrated into the Jewish People themselves, and we see large numbers of intentional heretics (mumarim lehach'is) such as the Jewish Communists. There is no difference between them and the Zionists except for the fact that the Communists write in Yiddish and the Zionists do so in modernized Hebrew. However, on both types G-d swore that neither his Name nor his Seat are complete until these people are removed from the world. So great is the intellectual poverty in our generation that a large portion of the Jewish People support them with their money, give them strength and help them. They do not understand the holy words such as is expressed in Psalms 92.
When the wicked spring as the grass, and when all those who labor in iniquity do flourish, they shall be destroyed forever.
Woe to those who shall have supported and pandered to them when that time comes. In the Holy Land it is as clear as the sun that the Land shall vomit them out because the Land is the Palace of the King, and cannot tolerate sinners, especially intentional sinners (I don't say this either to curse or to bless, but because these are things which are written in the Torah and which will take place)."
I have also learned over some of Reb Elchonon, quoted above.
Based on my understanding of what the Chofetz Chaim said and wrote above, YOU would be condemned for claiming that establishing a Jewish IS (my emphasis) wrong and against the Will of G-d.
If you are enough of a Jewish scholar to have actually read what the rabbis said about establishing a Jewish state and their references to the Torah, then you ought to be enough of a scholar to figure out the difference between WAS and IS in reference to whether the Rabbis today believe that it is the Will of G-d that the state of Israel exists and whether it should continue to exist.
