Eye On Israel/Palestine

Walter that was a tongue in cheek statement that apparently went over your head.

Zion
How about commenting on the bus that was bombed in Israel Sunday morning. I am sure you feel it was justified.

ILZ
For your information my vision of the world is based upon 15 centuries of murder. Rape, expulsions, pogroms, inquisitions, ethnic cleansing, anti-Semitism and etc. What is yours?

Historically there is no nation sect or religion that has and continues to have the assualt upon it's existance that Judaism has been subjected to. And that is reality.

I do not think there are people here who are in favor of the right of the Palestinian refugees to return to what is now Israel.

I hope so. But in 2002-3 there were some postings claiming that the very establishment of State of Israel was a historical error of the UN and the Superpowers (USSR and USA).

Rick wrote.

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I do not think there are people here who are in favor of the right of the Palestinian refugees to return to what is now Israel.

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I hope so. But in 2002-3 there were some postings claiming that the very establishment of State of Israel was a historical error of the UN and the Superpowers (USSR and USA).

Which prompts me to comment

Many people of goodwill to both Jews and Arabs thought the establishment of a specifically Jewish state in Palestine was a bad idea, including George Marshall and Admiral Forrestall. Fifty-odd years on, nothing has happened to suggest they were wrong.

The same could be said of the establishment of Lebanon; Jordan; Pakistan; and most of the nations of Africa.
Except that I would not suggest that these countries are "wrong" any more than I would suggest that the establishment of the countries of Ireland; India; or even the United States were wrong. No matter for how long and how vehemently many Brits thought that these countries had no right to exist.
Why do you believe that establishing a Jewish State was wrong?

I would like to see the zionist state dismantled and replaced by a bi national secular state with guarantees from the UN. And so I would have no problem with displaced persons returning to their land, or being compensated if that is not possible.


However I admit the chances of this happening is next to zero. Therefore the only practical solution is as outlined in the so called road map, that of two states, Israel with secure borders and a viable Palestinian state.

What a wonderful idea!

But accepting borders is exactly what indicted war criminal Sharon will never do, as it defines and limits the power and scope of Israel. For fanatical zionists like Sharon, there must never be a viable Palestinian state, hence his determination to frustrate and wreck all attempts to establish it.

Hmmmm.... Let's see now, "war criminal Sharon" has been Prime Minister for 4 years I believe...
Arafish has been Chief Terrorist for what? thirty years or so?
Mr. "Give them whatever the hell they want, and the boat we rode in on too" Barak was Prime Minister before "war criminal" Sharon...
After "war criminal" Sharon, there will be some other Prime Minister from the Left or the Right or right down the Center.
Arafish will still be Chief Terrorist unless one of his Assistant Chief Terrorists bump him off....
But you believe that "war criminal" Sharon has "wrecked all attempts to establish a Palestinian State" since 1967 when the West Bank was taken from Jordan?
I believe that there is a logic disconnect there.

Just as an aside, I notice that not only has Sharon said Israel will take no heed of international law regarding the "security barrier", but he actually blames the International Court of Justice for the bomb attack today in Tel Aviv.

RAMALLAH, West Bank (Reuters) - Gunmen on Tuesday wounded a Palestinian lawmaker who has spearheaded calls for anti-corruption reforms to the Palestinian Authority which Yasser Arafat has been reluctant to make.

There was no immediately claim of responsibility for the attack on Nabil Amr, who was hit twice in the right leg by bullets fired into his home in the West Bank city of Ramallah. Doctors said his injuries did not appear to be life-threatening.

Palestinian police said they had opened an investigation into the night-time shooting, carried out against the backdrop of a leadership crisis in the Palestinian Authority over demands for democratic reforms.

Arafat is facing the stiffest test of his leadership since Palestinians obtained limited self-rule from Israel in Gaza and the West Bank a decade ago. Some fear the strife could eventually escalate into civil war.

"We were sitting inside when someone shot at him from the window," the lawmaker's son, Marwan, told Reuters.

Palestinian sources said Amr, a former information minister, has long been at odds with veteran leader Arafat over the pace of reforms in institutions seen as out of touch.

Amr, 47, was shot minutes after returning home from a television interview in which he criticized Arafat's performance as president. His residence has been shot at in the past.

Why do you believe that establishing a Jewish State was wrong?