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Saudi Defense Minister: Bin Laden Sent by the Jews
20:53 Feb 09, '05 / 30 Shevat 5765

During a meeting to plan the recent Saudi conference on counter-terrorism the Defense Minister of Saudi Arabia claimed that arch-terrorist Osama bin Laden was “sent by the Jews.”

The Defense Minister, Prince Sultan Feted read a poem with the following verse: "Long live security - may its men hold their heads high on every corner. [Bin Laden], whose ideology is sick, who was sent by the Jews, who is the architect of theft, was treacherous and sent us the criminals. This traitor of the nation tried to harm us, but his efforts boomeranged back upon him."

A clip of the prince reading the poem can be viewed on the MEMRI web-site.

Though the Saudi conference was attended by leading counterterrorism experts from over 50 different countries, Israel was excluded. "We have invited all countries that have suffered from terrorism to the conference, and all have agreed to take part," said Prince Turki ibn Muhammad, assistant undersecretary for political affairs at the Saudi Foreign Ministry told WorldNetDaily.

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Iran Claims Israel Kidnaps Babies
16:12 Feb 14, '05 / 5 Adar 5765

An Israeli boat patrolling near Iran is holding kidnapped babies to be used later for their organs, according to a new Iranian television program.

"We are talking about children no one cares about [and who] have been kidnapped on the excuse of being concerned for them, and after they mature, the Zionists uses their hearts, kidneys and other organs," the TV presentation charges on the Iranian Shahar channel.

The producer is Ahmed Mir Alawii, who also was responsible for the film Zahra's Blue Eyes, which premiered on the same channel in December and portrays Israel officials supposedly operating on Arab children and using their organs for transplants.

In the latest program, Alawii claims, "A white boat sails on the oceans and does not enter Iran's territorial waters or those of other countries. Our Arab brethren should be careful of this boat where the Zionists hold children from the age of one and two. They receive the best medical treatment and are [placed] under constant surveillance. Why are they being cared for? [The objective is to] use them for medical objectives."

"We presented only a small part of the Zionist crimes," Alawii told an Iranian interview. "While we worked on the film, we received information, even from Jews who identify with our viewpoint. They themselves are anti-Zionist. The information they supplied us makes us sorry we already finished the film. It is too bad we didn’t have this information when we produced [it].

"Oh, [you] Zionists! You occupied the houses of innocent people. You killed them and took out their eyes in front of their parents. In this film, we treated you too fairly when we presented you taking out their eyes in the operating room."

The interview with Alawii in Persian was translated by the Middle East Media Research Institute (MEMRI).

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Fatah Gunmen Storm West Bank Meeting, Challenging Abbas

Fatah Gunmen Storm West Bank Meeting, Challenging Abbas

Thu Mar 10,11:14 AM ET

By Diala Saadeh

RAMALLAH, West Bank (Reuters) - Gunmen from the ruling Palestinian Fatah (news - web sites) faction broke up a meeting of the party about reform on Thursday in a fresh blow to President Mahmoud Abbas's bid to end internal chaos and talk peace with Israel.

Some 30 militants from the al-Aqsa Matryrs Brigades group within Fatah, firing assault rifles in the air, stormed the meeting and drove out hundreds of Fatah members, threatening to kill them, smashed windows and chairs before themselves leaving.

There were no casualties in the incident in the West Bank city of Ramallah witnessed by a Reuters reporter. The gunmen complained they had not been invited to the meeting and were being marginalized by the Fatah leadership.

"We will not allow anyone to ignore us because we have paid with blood in this conflict (with Israel)," one gunman shouted.

The meeting was called by 32 local leaders representing Fatah's younger generation who resigned their posts last week to protest alleged corruption among the party's dominant old guard.

The gunmen accused meeting organizers of graft and plotting against Yasser Arafat (news - web sites) before he died and was succeeded by Abbas.

But Hussein el-Sheikh, a prominent Fatah reform activist, accused unnamed Fatah veterans on its executive Central Committee of sending the gunmen to intimidate the young guard.

"Some Central Committee members were upset by this meeting and were inciting and plotting against it because they want to monopolize leadership to cling to power in Fatah," said Sheikh.

Central Committee officials were not available for comment.

The meeting discussed Palestinian parliamentary elections set for July and how to pursue their call for a Fatah party primary to elect a new leadership.

ABBAS'S UPHILL CHALLENGE

Abbas, 69, is from Fatah's old guard but favors reform to rein in the militant factions, boost law and order, solidify a ceasefire with Israel and negotiate for a Palestinian state.

"What happened today was unprecedented and dangerous and will lead to unpredictable consequences. Whoever sent these (gunmen) must realize this is a double-edged sword," said Jibril Rajoub, an Abbas adviser associated with Fatah's younger ranks.

The attack on the meeting suggested the generation gap in Fatah was worsening and would pose a headache to Abbas, who lacks the broad grip on the fractured Palestinian nationalist movement that was wielded by the patriarchal Arafat.

Last week's walkout by young activists was an apparent effort to nudge Fatah into democratic reform needed to preserve its appeal to ordinary Palestinians, many of whom have flocked to the rival Islamist movement Hamas, which opposes peacemaking.

"Fatah needs to resolve its internal problems in a democratic way or it will lose power and authority," said Palestinian political analyst Hani al-Masri. "It is a real crisis for Abbas, and of regional concern."

Fatah was humiliated by a strong Hamas showing in recent municipal elections, indicating Islamists could score big in the legislative election. Many Palestinians see Fatah as deeply corrupt, in contrast with Hamas' image of transparency.

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EJJP Open letter to Barroso

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Dear President Barroso

European Jews for a Just Peace (EJJP) welcomes the mission of Mr Leffler to Israel later this month. But we are gravely concerned that the EU will offer Israel economic benefits in exchange for minor humanitarian gestures.

Our concerns are twofold:

* humanitarian "gestures" cannot disguise what are in fact illegal restrictions on fundamental human rights
* judging by recent example, there is no guarantee that will act in accordance with agreements it makes

Article 2 of the EU-Israel Association Agreement states that the relationship between the EU and Israel shall be based on respect for human rights and democratic principles, which guide their internal and international policy as an essential element of the Agreement. Israel has been and remains in violation of this and we believe the agreement should be suspended until Israel shows respect for its terms. Instead, we are alarmed to read reports that the EU, under the new European Neighbourhood Policy Israel is currently negotiating increased economic benefits to Israel in return for what look like minor removal of restrictions on Palestinians - which should not exist in the first place.

Furthermore, as a recent report from B'tselem confirms, Israel has not lifted the restrictions on movement that it agreed would be necessary when Ariel Sharon met Mahmoud Abbas in Sharm el Sheikh in January 2005. With Israel controlling borders and airspace, they warn that Palestinians from the West Bank find it easier to visit relatives in prison than to get to Gaza.

Clearly gentle words of encouragement are not enough.

If the mission of Mr Leffler is to be substantive rather than cosmetic, it must demand more from the Israeli state than the opening of a few roadblocks.

Restrictions are placed on Palestinians collectively and according to arbitrary criteria. The separation barrier has not been removed, as demanded according to international law, but is currently being extended around Jerusalem. Land continues to be expropriated. Settlements continue to expand, illegally �V and with the knowledge of the Israeli State. The Sasson Report has revealed that Israeli state bodies have been secretly diverting millions of dollars to build illegal Jewish settlements in the West Bank. It identified 105 illegal outposts - all supplied by Israeli agencies with electricity and water.

Nowhere are Palestinian rights - and future hopes for a nation state - more clearly violated than in the recent Israeli approval for building 3,500 new houses along route E-1 which links Jerusalem to the settlement of Ma'ale Adumim, deep in the West Bank. If completed will drive a wedge through the West Bank, effectively dividing it in two and making a coherent, viable, contiguous Palestinian state well nigh impossible. There are plans to demolish 20,000 Palestinian homes around Jerusalem. There are almost daily reports of attacks by settlers on Palestinian workers and farmers. The continued construction of the Wall/separation fence - condemned by the ICJ - looms large over West Bank life.

We call on the EU to use its economic clout wisely. If Israel seeks economic co-operation with the EU, then it must agree first to serious and significant steps towards peace and improving the lot of the Palestinians in the occupied West Bank. Such steps would include dismantling all internal checkpoints within the West Bank, releasing a substantial number of political prisoners, freezing all new building work in the settlements and East Jerusalem, ending all threatened Palestinian house demolitions and suspending all work on the Wall as a prelude to its dismantlement where it is built beyond the green line.

These demands are entirely in accordance the principles and ethos of the European Union. Nothing less should be acceptable to the EU. We in EJJP await your response with much interest.

Yours sincerely

Dror Feiler
Chair, EJJP

April 11, 2005

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Here is my curious question:
What evidence is there that the Arab people called Palestinians would ever cease their attempts to damage; destroy; hurt; dismantle; terrorize; or otherwise cause Israel harm if Israel were to do the things Mr. Feiler suggests?
What incentive does Israel have to carry out these ideas or reforms?

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wasn't if funny how Katsav(israel) and Khatami (iran) talked in Farsi/Persian to eachother at the Pope's funeral....very ironic...

and one more thing I want to say is that the Jews who consider Muslims (Iranians, Iraqis, Egyptians and etc.) their enemies never suffered anything close to what they suffered (allegedly) at the hands of europeans or anyone else, (from the times of Cyrus and islam all the way to Holocaust)... yet things turned out to maake the muslims their worst enemies....kinda makes you think who was at fault here!!!

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Moishe3rd wrote:

What incentive does Israel have to carry out these ideas or reforms?

the incentive of doing the right thing.

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Farhad wrote:

...Jews ....never suffered anything close to what they suffered (allegedly) ....

Is that word 'allegedly' meant to question the veracity of what Jews suffered at the hands of europeans, like during the Nazi era? what next? questioning veracity of evolution? or gravity?

Come on!

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Farhad wrote:

wasn't if funny how Katsav(israel) and Khatami (iran) talked in Farsi/Persian to eachother at the Pope's funeral....very ironic...

and one more thing I want to say is that the Jews who consider Muslims (Iranians, Iraqis, Egyptians and etc.) their enemies never suffered anything close to what they suffered (allegedly) at the hands of europeans or anyone else, (from the times of Cyrus and islam all the way to Holocaust)... yet things turned out to maake the muslims their worst enemies....kinda makes you think who was at fault here!!!

And here, I give you someone who believes that he/she is a "normal," "moderate," "ordinary," person who is simply questioning "who's at fault."
There are several hundred million "ordinary" Muslims who have the same "ordinary" questions as does Farhad.
There are hundreds of millions of people who believe that everything should be on the table. The truth is only what they perceive....
Someone please explain to me why I should not believe that most Palestinians are as "ordinary" as Farhad here.
And then tell me again why it is "the right thing" for Israel to give more power to these ignorant, hateful, stark raving moonbats?

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You can take a man out of the desert but you can't take the desert out of the man.

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Yeah.

It was the Jews.

Jew Bin Laden--his nickname.

The miserable Arabs....<and Persians>. How would they live without the Jews to blame? They still can't get over Allah letting the Jews kick their asses during the 67 War.

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That last remark by Lash could be interpreted as anti semitic, as both Arab and Jew are semites.

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Steve (as 41oo)
By whom?

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gravy wrote:

Farhad wrote:
...Jews ....never suffered anything close to what they suffered (allegedly) ....

Is that word 'allegedly' meant to question the veracity of what Jews suffered at the hands of europeans, like during the Nazi era? what next? questioning veracity of evolution? or gravity?

Come on!

This was only meant to show that I have not done enough research on it, but it is the popular belief, not to question antisemitism and the suffering of jews in general.

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Lash wrote:

Yeah.

It was the Jews.

Jew Bin Laden--his nickname.

The miserable Arabs....<and Persians>. How would they live without the Jews to blame? They still can't get over Allah letting the Jews kick their asses during the 67 War.

Your sarcastic remarks do contain some truth in them (in my opinion of course) The corrupt governments of the middle east do need some sort of a grand enemy to use as a scarecrow for their people. Be it the US, Israel and etc. (not so much the persians cause their involvement in this conflict is resented by majority of their people) The ones that are a little better off, have close to zero involvement. But the people of most of these countries don't give a damn what goes on there.

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Farhad wrote:

gravy wrote:
Farhad wrote:
...Jews ....never suffered anything close to what they suffered (allegedly) ....

Is that word 'allegedly' meant to question the veracity of what Jews suffered at the hands of europeans, like during the Nazi era? what next? questioning veracity of evolution? or gravity?

Come on!

This was only meant to show that I have not done enough research on it, but it is the popular belief, not to question antisemitism and the suffering of jews in general.

Oh.

Yes.
Of course.
Quite popular.
It is certainly the duty of the sons of Yishmael to question whether the Jews have suffered enough.
It is such a quaintly popular notion - this idea of Jews suffering. Ha. Ha.
One really ought to investigate.
(I mean, after all, let's be objective. Those clever Jews could have made it all up. Tricky, tricky.)
But, let us be clear.
This investigation would have nothing to do with Israel.
Oh no.
Israel should simply give itself over into the hands of those who want to investigate whether the Jews have suffered enough...
Of course.

And there a billion European and Asian and Middle Eastern and North African Farhads just waiting in the wings - to investigate. To pass judgement. To argue the point...

It must be my blindness that I miss the point of why anyone would think it was "okay" for Israel to give more power to this sort of willful, vicious, ignorant, hateful, madness that Farhad believes in.

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just what is going on when you read something like this in a reputable newspaper?

From the Guardian I think Sept 2002

"

"Our claim to the land - to which we have clung for hope for 2,000 years - is legitimate and noble," it continued. "Only the unconditional acceptance by Arabs of our rights, especially in their territorial dimension, 'peace for peace', is a solid basis for the future."

The paper set out a plan by which Israel would "shape its strategic environment", beginning with the removal of Saddam Hussein and the installation of a Hashemite monarchy in Baghdad.

With Saddam out of the way and Iraq thus brought under Jordanian Hashemite influence, Jordan and Turkey would form an axis along with Israel to weaken and "roll back" Syria. Jordan, it suggested, could also sort out Lebanon by "weaning" the Shia Muslim population away from Syria and Iran, and re-establishing their former ties with the Shia in the new Hashemite kingdom of Iraq. "Israel will not only contain its foes; it will transcend them", the paper concluded.

To succeed, the paper stressed, Israel would have to win broad American support for these new policies - and it advised Mr Netanyahu to formulate them "in language familiar to the Americans by tapping into themes of American administrations during the cold war which apply well to Israel". "

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Steve (as 41oo) wrote:

just what is going on when you read something like this in a reputable newspaper?

From the Guardian I think Sept 2002

"

"Our claim to the land - to which we have clung for hope for 2,000 years - is legitimate and noble," it continued. "Only the unconditional acceptance by Arabs of our rights, especially in their territorial dimension, 'peace for peace', is a solid basis for the future."

The paper set out a plan by which Israel would "shape its strategic environment", beginning with the removal of Saddam Hussein and the installation of a Hashemite monarchy in Baghdad.

With Saddam out of the way and Iraq thus brought under Jordanian Hashemite influence, Jordan and Turkey would form an axis along with Israel to weaken and "roll back" Syria. Jordan, it suggested, could also sort out Lebanon by "weaning" the Shia Muslim population away from Syria and Iran, and re-establishing their former ties with the Shia in the new Hashemite kingdom of Iraq. "Israel will not only contain its foes; it will transcend them", the paper concluded.

To succeed, the paper stressed, Israel would have to win broad American support for these new policies - and it advised Mr Netanyahu to formulate them "in language familiar to the Americans by tapping into themes of American administrations during the cold war which apply well to Israel". "

Just what is going on when you:
a) claim the Guardian is a "reputable newspaper?"
b) claim that the piece of crap posted bears any relationship to the subject at hand; the truth; or accuracy?
There a billion folk out there that believe what you wrote is cause for "investigating" just "what is going on..."
Truth is not Belief.

Quote:

We have for four years pursued peace based on a New Middle East. We in Israel cannot play innocents abroad in a world that is not innocent. Peace depends on the character and behavior of our foes. We live in a dangerous neighborhood, with fragile states and bitter rivalries. Displaying moral ambivalence between the effort to build a Jewish state and the desire to annihilate it by trading "land for peace" will not secure "peace now." .

An excerpt from A Clean Break: A New Strategy for Securing the Realm (retroactively famous '96 Perle paper)
Go read the whole thing. Or google your own sources before you post some piece of bizarre denigration.

How Long.....
How long?

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Moishe3rd wrote:

Just what is going on when you:
a) claim the Guardian is a "reputable newspaper?"

At least this shows clearly that he is in line with nearly everyone - but this can't be known, when your view is narrowed by the border of your soup plate.

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M3rd, you definitely need to calm down, and stop attacking people. You misunderstood my point. My point is that Holocaust didn't happen and would never happen in the Muslim countries and what now? Israel claim the Muslims as her enemies and the ones behind the Holocaust its friends!! Its kinda ironic if you ask me.

Chill out and stop calling me names. You have no clue what I believe in

And Steve, I have read somewhere that Shia were very close to Jews and some(sunnis of course) even said that Shia was created or grew with the help of Jews in Iran and Iraq during the early years of Islam. Most sunnis don't consider Shia's muslim but rather infidels!!

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