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Man's life Over, Cops Decide He Watched Child Porn in First Class

 
 
hawkeye10
 
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Tue 29 Nov, 2011 09:27 pm
@wayne,
wayne wrote:

I'll agree that this is a tragedy, but the responsibility lies upon the individual who commits the anti-social and self-centered acts. The solution also lies with the individual, they are the ones who choose their actions, not the state.
If ya can't do the time, don't do the crime.
It's pretty plain and simple, this guy wasn't thinking about the well-being of his children, he was thinking about self-gratification. Too bad the lion ate the guy while he was jackin off and not payin attention to reality, now his kids are fatherless.


The individual does not make the rules of the game...if the rules consistently produce a unnecessarily bad result then we can't escape that our rules are in error. Setting up individual with drastic harm to result if they dont do as they are instructed is only good policy if it actually works to get the desired result with out abusing the individual. Setting kids up to be greatly harmed if their parents dont toe the line with the state is flat out abuse of every kid who has a parent who does not toe the line with the state. The kid is innocent, where the **** does the state get off taking a pound of flesh out of the kids because it does not like the parents??!!

Claiming that we are the best humans that have ever been produced as evidenced by how much we care about protecting kids is one of the best tragiccomedies that the human race has ever produced....it brings tears to the eyes it is so hilariously and cruelly absurd considering what we are willing to do to kids.
BillRM
 
  1  
Tue 29 Nov, 2011 09:31 pm
@wayne,
Let now consider wayne the fact that MJ doctor just got the maximum sentence possible under CA law for manslaughter of four years and the minimum sentence for having child porn pictures under Federal law is four years!!!!!!!

You still do not see anything wrong with this picture......LOL

In any case the punishment is so out of line that Federal judges are starting to refused to sentence under the law terms and Federal appeals courts are backing them up.

Sorry but the punishment should fit the crime and in the case of having child porn it clearly does not.



wayne
 
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Tue 29 Nov, 2011 09:41 pm
@hawkeye10,
Quote:
The animals that have the ivory tusks will be extinct soon no matter what we do, the rare woods will be chopped down and the species made extinct no matter what we do,


And you know this how? Are you not aware of the successful efforts with species such as the Bald Eagle, American Alligator, Prairie Dog, Kirtland's Warbler, Brown Pelican, just to name a few.
Your affinity for baseless statements knows no bounds, but this one is really ridiculous, if the rare woods will be chopped down, no matter what we do, just who or what is going to do the chopping?
wayne
 
  1  
Tue 29 Nov, 2011 09:53 pm
@hawkeye10,
Your argument has reached the point of ridiculous fantasy.
You're either of sociopathic temperament or you simply don't know when to quit, either way, you continue to destroy any possible credibility you might have had with ridiculous arguments and fanatical distortions.
If there's anything that's cruelly absurd, it's your presentation of yourself.
wayne
 
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Tue 29 Nov, 2011 09:55 pm
@BillRM,
Quote:
Sorry but the punishment should fit the crime and in the case of having child porn it clearly does not.


I'll agree with that, there should be castration involved.
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hawkeye10
 
  1  
Tue 29 Nov, 2011 10:15 pm
@wayne,
wayne wrote:

Your argument has reached the point of ridiculous fantasy.
You're either of sociopathic temperament or you simply don't know when to quit, either way, you continue to destroy any possible credibility you might have had with ridiculous arguments and fanatical distortions.
If there's anything that's cruelly absurd, it's your presentation of yourself.


Aw come on man, you are not really that lazy are you? Do the work...prove that I have been ridiculous, fanatical or distortive....otherwise all you are doing is labeling as trash all that you dont want to deal with.
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hawkeye10
 
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Tue 29 Nov, 2011 10:24 pm
@wayne,
Quote:
And you know this how? Are you not aware of the successful efforts with species such as the Bald Eagle, American Alligator, Prairie Dog, Kirtland's Warbler, Brown Pelican, just to name a few
The starving will eat what ever is available. The shivering will burn what ever is available. Since we are unable/unwilling to control our population this planet will be stripped bare no less that the wheat fields subjected to a swarm of locusts.
firefly
 
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Tue 29 Nov, 2011 11:48 pm
@BillRM,
Quote:
minimum sentence for having child porn pictures under Federal law is four years!!!!!!!

Sorry but the punishment should fit the crime and in the case of having child porn it clearly does not.

That's because you do not see possession of child pornography as a serious crime. That's your problem.

You also wear your ignorance like a badge of honor.

In the case we are discussing, which is currently under Massachusetts law, the man involved can receive considerably less than 4 years--there is no minimum sentence for the first offense of possession of child pornography.

You don't bother to acquaint yourself with the applicable laws relevant to the case we are discussing, and instead you post inaccurate information tinged with your emotional hysteria about how the system is unfair and the laws are wrong.
Quote:
Possession of Child Porn in Massachusetts is a felony in accordance with Massachusetts General Laws Chapter 272 Section 29C. The district attorney can prosecute this case in either the district court or the superior court. As with any district court felony case there is a maximum two and one half year house of correction that can be imposed. In the superior court these charges can result in a five year state prison sentence. The imposition of jail time for first offenders in child porn possession cases is considered a high sentence by many. Often times convictions for this offense result in probation. Sex Offender Registry Board consequences are inevitable regardless of the sentence.
http://www.massachusettscriminaldefenseattorneyblog.com/2009/12/massachusetts-man-jailed-after.html#more

So, depending on which court the D.A. decides to prosecute in, Smith could receive either a maximum of 2 1/2 years in a county jail, or a maximum of 5 years in a state prison. Or he could just receive probation--simply for possession of child pornography.

In Smith's case, there might be additional charges, for transporting child pornography across state lines, for instance, since he took his laptop from Utah to Boston, and the images might have been on his computer that entire time and he might be charged with transporting them. The investigation might find he distributed child pornography through file sharing with others, and that might result in additional charges.

But just for possession of child pornography in the state of Massachusetts, the jail sentence might not be very long, and jail might not even be a consequence if he is given probation, which is a definite possibility.

You dragged in federal laws because you are ignorant of the state laws. But, in the case we are discussing, Smith has not been charged under federal law.

You should try educating yourself before you shoot your mouth off--both about the facts of this particular case, as well as which laws are actually involved.

Smith will still lose his university job if he is convicted, and he'll still be a sex offender, but his life, and his earning potential won't be over. He is also president of a company he owns, and he has the qualifications and credentials to continue earning money in his field, as long as he does so in a place where he has no contact with minors.

So, put away your Kleenex box and stop being such a bleeding heart for sex offenders.



firefly
 
  1  
Tue 29 Nov, 2011 11:55 pm
@hawkeye10,
Quote:
Do the work...prove that I have been ridiculous, fanatical or distortive....

You cited statutes that seem to be unverifiable. You said you would post verbatim passages from specific statutes to back up the rather absurd claims you made regarding the government allowing snitches to retain their own collections of child pornography.

Still waiting for you to post those verbatim excerpts from statutes to back up your ridiculous, fanatical, distorted statements...
firefly
 
  1  
Tue 29 Nov, 2011 11:58 pm
@wayne,
Quote:
You're either of sociopathic temperament or you simply don't know when to quit,

Those things aren't mutually exclusive--they are both true of Hawkeye.
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Wed 30 Nov, 2011 12:05 am
@BillRM,
DAVID wrote:
We shoud have done that to the communists,
during the Third World War.
BillRM wrote:
Oh so the fact that we won without needing to give up our freedoms is a bad thing?

You would had been happier if we had turn into a police state?
NO, its just that I have hated the communists with such ineffably intense passion . . . .
I just wanna afflict them with anything n everything!





David
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hawkeye10
 
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Wed 30 Nov, 2011 12:10 am
@firefly,
Quote:
Smith will still lose his university job if he is convicted, and he'll still be a sex offender, but his life, and his earning potential won't be over. He is also president of a company he owns, and he has the qualifications and credentials to continue earning money in his field, as long as he does so in a place where he has no contact with minors.


Spoken like a person who has zero knowledge of how sex offenders live, or pretends not to. For your education:

Quote:

STAMFORD -- One year after finishing his prison sentence on child pornography charges, former Stamford volunteer firefighter Dan Rockwell is calling his car his home.

Rockwell said he can't find a job or a permanent place to live due to the felony charges following him. Currently in the second year of his 15-year probation sentence, Rockwell said he is trying to comply with his punishment, but he believes the conditions of his probation doom him to failure.

"A lot of people are very hostile when they hear about someone in a situation like this," Rockwell said.

Bill Anselmo, who oversees the sex offender unit for the state Office of Probation, said offenders often have difficulty finding jobs and places to live, but the complications are due to safeguards designed to protect the public from sex offenders.

"Community safety is our number one goal," he said.

According to Anselmo, most offenders wind up serving at least some of their suspended sentence, typically because they commit a violation of the conditions of their release. Very few offenders get reconvicted of sex crimes during their probation, according to Anselmo.

Rockwell is currently listed as a "non-compliant" offender by the Department of Public Safety because he failed to validate his address. He is facing the prospect of serving all or most of the 10-year suspended prison sentence he received when he was convicted of possession of child pornography in 2008.

The vast majority of the public does not sympathize with the predicament of sex offenders like Rockwell. Anselmo said the public generally views the release of a sex offender into their community as a threat to their quality of life.

"There is a lot of scrutiny about who they are, where they go, where they work and where they live," said Anselmo. "All eyes are on them."

Former Norwalk councilman Peter Wien, who speaks openly about the sex abuse he incurred as a child, believes that the way offenders are treated by society is a reflection of the disregard they had for the mental and physical well-being of their victims.

"A lot of them say they're sorry but at the same time, they don't have really good self control," Wien said.

In Rockwell's case, Stamford Police seized two laptop computers containing more than 100 images of child pornography from his home, according to police. Child pornography is considered by victim's advocates and law enforcement officials to be a form of revictimization but Rockwell simply calls it a "mistake" that he made out of "curiosity."

The process of assimilating sex offenders back into the community begins six to nine months before they are released from prison, Anselmo said.

Conditions of the offender's release are set by the court at the time of sentencing and additional conditions may be imposed by a probation officer after the offender is released, Anselmo said.

A representative from probation visits the offender in prison and evaluates the offender to find out the level of treatment that he requires. Assessing the offender's level of risk includes giving the offender a polygraph test, which Anselmo said determines whether the convict's history of sexual transgressions extends beyond the crimes of which he has been convicted.

"Each offender poses a different risk," he said.

The representative also assists the offender in trying to find housing and a job.

Outside of prison, it is difficult for even low-risk sex offenders to find employment because of the stigma surrounding convicted sex criminals, Anselmo said. Jobs are pivotal to an offender's rehabilitation because they provide structure, Anselmo said.

The job must be approved by a probation officer and the offender cannot have access to potential victims at his place of work, according to Anselmo.

"A lot of people say: 'Why can't they find a night job at a factory?' " he said. "The answer is those jobs don't exist anymore."

Depending on the crime and the level of risk that the offender poses to the community, probation officers can be flexible about place of employment but sex offenders are limited in their options for housing, Anselmo said.

Rockwell said his inability to gain employment means that he cannot come up with the funds required to pay for his sex offender treatment -- to which he currently owes about $700 -- and the money needed to pay rent. He depends on handouts from friends to buy food and gas for his car.

Many employers have online applications and because Rockwell cannot use a computer under the conditions of his release, the places to which he can apply are limited.

Finding housing for an offender is a difficult ordeal, Anselmo said. Offenders are often shunned by family members and former friends and they have nowhere to turn once the state no longer shelters them in a prison or a halfway house, according to Anselmo.

Laws in many states restrict the distance that a sex offender can live from a school but Connecticut does not have state-mandated residency restrictions for registered sex offenders. Connecticut allows judges, probation officers and municipalities to impose residency restrictions on sex offenders.

Possession of child pornography is considered a crime against children and Rockwell's conditions of release state that he cannot live within 1,000 feet of a school.

Rockwell said that his conviction prevents him from staying at a homeless shelter. He cannot even receive meals at the shelter because of the likelihood that he may be in the vicinity of a child.

According to Anselmo, some shelters limit the number of sex offenders who are allowed to sleep at the facilities but family shelters and shelters that have female residents do not allow sex offenders who committed crimes against children to use their services.

Since he was released from the halfway house in September 2009, Rockwell has been living at motels when he manages to scrape together enough cash, and living on friends' couches. He said many of his family members live out of the area and the majority of his friends have shunned him since his arrest.

Rockwell said the friends he has left do not allow him to stay at their homes for extended periods of time because they do not want their address to appear on the sex offender registry. Rockwell currently sleeps in his Jeep and is listed as homeless on the sex offender registry.

Although sex offenders like Rockwell face stringent conditions and multiple obstacles upon their release, Wien believes the criminal justice system should place additional restrictions on offenders like Rockwell.

"Like the old saying goes: 'Don't do the crime if you can't do the time,'" he said.

Wien said offenders should also have to pay restitution to their victims. He said he has paid tens of thousands of dollars for therapy because of the actions of the man who molested him.

"The offender has to register but the victim goes through life trying to be normal," he said. "It screws up a kid's identity. Victims often suffer in silence."


http://www.wiltonvillager.com/story/489159
firefly
 
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Wed 30 Nov, 2011 12:28 am
@hawkeye10,
Sorry, Smith who has two Masters degrees, as well as a Ph,D., and who taught at a university, in addition to running his own company, and earned $170,000 a year, has far more resources to earn a living than the man in the article you posted. He can be self-employed--he is an expert in a particular field--and he has been earning money through self-employment. He can, therefore, have the money to find housing in a more than decent neighborhood.

I'm not moved by your sob stories about sex offenders. These people do pose a potential danger in the community, and there are good reasons why their movements have to be restricted and why others shun them.

Ask BillRM to loan you some Kleenex to wipe away your tears of sympathy for convicted sex offenders.
OmSigDAVID
 
  1  
Wed 30 Nov, 2011 12:30 am
@hawkeye10,
Quote:
Smith will still lose his university job if he is convicted, and he'll still be a sex offender, but his life, and his earning potential won't be over. He is also president of a company he owns, and he has the qualifications and credentials to continue earning money in his field, as long as he does so in a place where he has no contact with minors.
hawkeye10 wrote:
Spoken like a person who has zero knowledge of how sex offenders live, or pretends not to. For your education:

Quote:

STAMFORD -- One year after finishing his prison sentence on child pornography charges, former Stamford volunteer firefighter Dan Rockwell is calling his car his home. . . .

Wien said offenders should also have to pay restitution to their victims.
He said he has paid tens of thousands of dollars for therapy because
of the actions of the man who molested him.

"The offender has to register but the victim goes through life trying to be normal," he said.
"It screws up a kid's identity. Victims often suffer in ilence."
If I had been in that victim's position,
I probably woud have KILLED the perpetrator, in revenge,
but I bear no ill will toward whoever it was that took a picture of me in the hospital.





David
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hawkeye10
 
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Wed 30 Nov, 2011 01:10 am
@firefly,
firefly wrote:

Sorry, Smith who has two Masters degrees, as well as a Ph,D., and who taught at a university, in addition to running his own company, and earned $170,000 a year, has far more resources to earn a living than the man in the article you posted. He can be self-employed--he is an expert in a particular field--and he has been earning money through self-employment. He can, therefore, have the money to find housing in a more than decent neighborhood.

I'm not moved by your sob stories about sex offenders. These people do pose a potential danger in the community, and there are good reasons why their movements have to be restricted and why others shun them.

Ask BillRM to loan you some Kleenex to wipe away your tears of sympathy for convicted sex offenders.


He is going away to prison, he will be out of the field for probably years, which alone greatly decreases his earning potential. He then cant work with students, cant do much traveling, may more may not be able to use the internet, and will have a very hard time finding an employer who wants a sex offender. Then on the expenses side he has to pay alimony and child support, back payments for his time in prison on both unless he has savings after he pays his lawyers (not likely), pay for treatment, the new gas is making these guys pay restitution to every kid that can be identified in the photos, he needs to pay living expenses, and I presume that he will have charges to the university for work that he was paid for but did not complete.

Even a successful and talented guy like Grant Smith will have a hard time making a go of it after the state is done beating him up.
hawkeye10
 
  1  
Wed 30 Nov, 2011 01:18 am
@firefly,
Quote:
Still waiting for you to post those verbatim excerpts from statutes to back up your ridiculous, fanatical, distorted statements...


I was wrong, the law now states that kiddie porn must be reported immediately and deleted upon report. Technology has passed the do-gooder work force by, as the new thing is internet filters and turning the screws on the ISP's. I expect the DOJ has been sending teams to China to learn up on internet filtering.
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firefly
 
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Wed 30 Nov, 2011 01:24 am
@hawkeye10,
Quote:
He is going away to prison, he will be out of the field for probably years...

Did you read my post about Massachusetts law regarding sentences for a first offense of possession of child pornography? It is much more likely he will get probation.
Quote:
Smith will have a hard time making a go of it after the state is done beating him up.

The man knowingly violated criminal laws--what do you want the state to do, hand him a medal?

If you can't do the time, don't do the crime.

He won't owe the university money, and he can be self-employed--he runs his own company. He's not dependent on university teaching.

No one ever said that being a sex offender is easy. He should have thought of that before he downloaded child pornography on his computer.

OmSigDAVID
 
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Wed 30 Nov, 2011 01:31 am
@firefly,
firefly wrote:
Sorry, Smith who has two Masters degrees, as well as a Ph,D., and who taught at a university, in addition to running his own company, and earned $170,000 a year, has far more resources to earn a living than the man in the article you posted. He can be self-employed--he is an expert in a particular field--and he has been earning money through self-employment. He can, therefore, have the money to find housing in a more than decent neighborhood.

I'm not moved by your sob stories about sex offenders. These people do pose a potential danger in the community, and there are good reasons why their movements have to be restricted and why others shun them.

Ask BillRM to loan you some Kleenex to wipe away your tears of sympathy for convicted sex offenders.
Y were these sentiments of hostility NOT manifested against the communists, during the Third World War??????
This is the spirit of antagonism that we shoud ALL have applied against THEM (housing, etc.), but I never saw much of that.





David
hawkeye10
 
  1  
Wed 30 Nov, 2011 01:33 am
@firefly,
Quote:

Did you read my post about Massachusetts law regarding sentences for a first offense of possession of child pornography? It is much more likely he will get probation.
Do we know that the state is keeping this case? If the feds get him he faces a five year mandatory min on the transport of the computer alone. I think I read somewhere that on sex charges the Feds make the scum do every day of their sentences as well.

Quote:
The possession of child pornography charge carries a maximum penalty of 10 years in prison, to be followed by up to a lifetime of supervised release and a $250,000 fine. The transportation of child pornography charges carries a mandatory minimum sentence of five years in prison and a maximum sentence of 20 years in prison, as well as a lifetime term of supervised release and a $250,000 fine.

http://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/2011/September/11-crm-1284.html

I suspect that you are again being dishonest, in this case about how little life he is going to have when the state is done with him, because minimizing what is going to happen to him suits your purposes. As always honesty is a stretch for you.
firefly
 
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Wed 30 Nov, 2011 01:44 am
@hawkeye10,
Quote:
I suspect that you are again being dishonest, in this case about how little life he is going to have when the state is done with him, because minimizing what is going to happen to him suits your purposes

And acting like Chicken Little suits your purposes.

I don't care what this man's life will be like--I didn't tell him to violate the child pornography laws.

He chose to download illegal child pornography on his computer. Then he was brazen enough to view it in public. He deserved to be arrested. I'm not wasting sympathy on him. He's not the victim of anything except his own criminal behavior.


 

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