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Man's life Over, Cops Decide He Watched Child Porn in First Class

 
 
BillRM
 
  1  
Tue 18 Sep, 2012 07:13 am
@oralloy,
Quote:
The law should really be changed so that the taxpayers are always forced to reimburse innocent people for all their legal costs.


Agree somewhat however Firefly did not agree in the past under the theory just because a jury found someone not guilty does not mean that person is innocent and she pointed to OJ murder trial as an example.

I do have a problem with it myself to a degree as I would then be concern that the DA would use even more pressures on the person charge in order to try to get some kind almost any kind of plea deal so the state would not get hit by a big bill.

As it is guilty or innocent you need to have big balls to take a charge to a jury trial due to the overcharging done now in order to force plea deals mean that you are likely risking many more decades in prison by rolling the dice on a trial then to just plea out.

Over 90 percents of all charges now at both the Federal and the States level are in fact plead out.
oralloy
 
  1  
Tue 18 Sep, 2012 08:01 am
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:
oralloy wrote:
The law should really be changed so that the taxpayers are always forced to reimburse innocent people for all their legal costs.


Agree somewhat however Firefly did not agree in the past under the theory just because a jury found someone not guilty does not mean that person is innocent and she pointed to OJ murder trial as an example.

I do have a problem with it myself to a degree as I would then be concern that the DA would use even more pressures on the person charge in order to try to get some kind almost any kind of plea deal so the state would not get hit by a big bill.

As it is guilty or innocent you need to have big balls to take a charge to a jury trial due to the overcharging done now in order to force plea deals mean that you are likely risking many more decades in prison by rolling the dice on a trial then to just plea out.

Over 90 percents of all charges now at both the Federal and the States level are in fact plead out.


I wouldn't mind doing away with plea deals so that the state always has to prove its case in a trial.

And if that has the side effect of resulting in fewer prosecutions, forcing the government to focus only on important cases, that is a plus in my view.


I also think that all interrogations should require a lawyer. No mere reading their rights and letting the suspect opt for a lawyer at their own discretion. Change the law so that if the police want to question someone they've arrested, there has to be a lawyer present representing the suspect.


And I also think the taxpayers should be forced to make major payouts to innocent people who end up in prison (much greater payouts than are currently made in those states that bother to pay compensation).
BillRM
 
  1  
Tue 18 Sep, 2012 08:11 am
@oralloy,
We have an incredible high percents of our total citizens involved in the criminal justice system compare to any other first world nation.

Somewhere near to ten times the percents behind bars at any given time then the UK have for example.

We could released half of the people in prison and still not come near to the average of first world nations prison population and not needing to released one person convicted of a violence offense beside.

We should tear about our criminal justice system and rebuild it completely over as the system now is insane.
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firefly
 
  2  
Tue 18 Sep, 2012 01:06 pm
@oralloy,
Quote:

The law should really be changed so that the taxpayers are always forced to reimburse innocent people for all their legal costs.

I agree with you, if you are referring to people who have been exonerated after having been unjustly convicted of a crime.

BillRM foolishly equates a verdict of "not guilty" with innocence--that's not what that verdict means. It simply means the state did not prove their case beyond a reasonable doubt. It does not mean there is no possibility that the person committed the crime. Not only is the O.J. case a good example of that, so is the more recent Casey Anthony case.

But, regarding child pornography, which is what this thread is about, it is far less likely that people are being falsely convicted because the charges rest on the fact that physical evidence of the illegal material was found in the defendant's possession. And a judge must concur that the material is consistent with how the law defines "child pornography". Because there must always be some actual physical evidence to back up a charge of possession of child pornography, the probability of a conviction at trial is always high. So, for this particular type of crime, a plea deal is generally in the defendant's best interests, it will help them to get reduced charges and shorter sentences. And the defendant always has the option of a jury trial.

It's expensive to violate child pornography laws. It's much cheaper not to violate the law.

In the case of this man who is charged with child pornography violations, because of the videos of his own children on his cell phone, we, in the public, don't know exactly what is on that cell phone, in terms of content, or why it was considered to be child pornography, both by the person who reported it the authorities, as well as the law enforcement personnel who viewed it. It is far too premature to assume that the charges are baseless.

The state may decide to continue with a prosecution, or they may not, but, in either case, they are conducting a lawful investigation and the man is being afforded due process. Should they decide to drop the charges, and the defense is convinced this was all the result of a malicious or blatantly inappropriate action by the state, the man does have recourse in civil court--because that's where monetary compensation is decided in our legal system.

But, the mere dropping of charges is not an exoneration--it can mean the state has some evidence of guilt, but not necessarily enough evidence to convince a jury beyond any reasonable doubt. If for instance, it could be shown that the child pornography wasn't really in the person's possession, or they really had no knowledge it had been placed on their cell phone or computer, then the dropping of charges would be an exoneration--and the state is required to publicly exonerate the person under those circumstances--to declare them "innocent"--and to acknowledge that the charges are without any foundation.

When it comes to child pornography crimes, the government already has its hands full. It's hard to imagine why they would bother to level charges that are completely baseless in this area--particularly since they need to justify the charges with some physical evidence of child pornography that satisfies a judge.

Maybe what's on this man's cell phone is genuinely somewhat ambiguous regarding whether it's child pornography or not--his defense lawyer asserts it's nothing more than a typical family home video, but law enforcement contends it's legally child pornography. In that case, if the state continues with its prosecution, the defense should insist on a trial so the jury can decide the matter. But the jury would have actual physical evidence to consider, and a legal definition of child pornography to evaluate that evidence against.




BillRM
 
  1  
Tue 18 Sep, 2012 02:11 pm
@firefly,
See by Firefly world view once someone is charge he or she never can clear his name even with a verdict of innocent by a jury of his or her peers,

The sad part is that she is correct the person once charge never can had his or her name completely clear and that is not even in the power of the state to do if it wish to do so.

Still in a fair world if a person is harm by the state with charges that it can not prove at the very least the state should make the person financial whole as there is no moral rights to harm a person and his family that have been found innocent on the theory that the jury might had gotten it wrong.

To put it in another way if the choice is between taking a chance on making some guilty person whole and harming innocent people that are found not guilty I vote for not harming the innocent people.

The old saying it is better to let a hundred guilty men go free then to send one innocent man to prison is a concept that Firefly does not understand in fact her motto seems to be it is far better to harm a thousand innocent men and their families then to let one guilty person go.
BillRM
 
  2  
Tue 18 Sep, 2012 02:27 pm
@firefly,
Quote:
on the fact that physical evidence of the illegal material was found in the defendant's possession.


The physical evidence of naked home videos, that by one hell of a lot of lawyers who had express their opinions on the matter, is not proof of being child porn without some evidence that it was produce not as a silly record of his children childhoods but for his sexual gratification instead.

Intended is the core to this issue and it would not had harm the DA or the judge to had seen if there was any proof that his intended was sexual gratification before bringing charges.

The DA and the judge seems to had let themselves be seduce with visions of being public heroes by bringing down another pedophile coach.

Instead they are looking like fools who are a threat to the wellbeing of every parent and grandparent who ever film or taken pictures of the family children playing around naked.
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oralloy
 
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Tue 18 Sep, 2012 03:43 pm
@firefly,
firefly wrote:
BillRM foolishly equates a verdict of "not guilty" with innocence--that's not what that verdict means.


That's exactly what it means. If the state cannot prove someone guilty, they are innocent.
firefly
 
  1  
Tue 18 Sep, 2012 04:00 pm
@BillRM,
Quote:
See by Firefly world view once someone is charge he or she never can clear his name even with a verdict of innocent by a jury of his or her peers,

The sad part is that she is correct the person once charge never can had his or her name completely clear and that is not even in the power of the state to do if it wish to do so.

That's not what I said. You, again, show a marked ability to comprehend what you read.
And you continue to distort my remarks and continue to attribute to me things I never said. Either you are extremely stupid, or you are extremely malicious--or both.

People who have been unjustly charged, and even unjustly convicted, can certainly clear their names--and that does happen. And it certainly is within the power of the state to completely clear an unjustly convicted person's name.

We don't have a jury verdict of "innocent" in this country--it's "not guilty" for a reason. It means the state failed to prove the charges beyond a reasonable doubt, not that the defendant couldn't possibly have committed the crime. Plenty of people still think Casey Anthony is responsible for her child's death, she just wasn't convicted of it. And O.J. was found to be reponsible for those murders at his civil trial, despite an aquittal in his criminal case. Once a trial is completed, the evidence is publicly available, and the public may view that evidence, and weigh it, quite differently than the jury did.

And, in the instance of this man who has been charged with having child pornography on his cell phone, you are making assumptions and pronoucements without having any idea of the content of the material on that cell phone. Everything you're saying is a product of your imagination, and unrelated to any factual evidence.

So, all you're spouting is fantasy, and you're also distorting what you read, and what I post. Meaning all that's coming out of you is BS.
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firefly
 
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Tue 18 Sep, 2012 04:19 pm
@oralloy,
Quote:
That's exactly what it means. If the state cannot prove someone guilty, they are innocent.

A not guilty verdict means the defendant is not held criminally liable for the state's charges. It does not mean the defendant could not possibly have committed the crime.

Juries can make mistakes with both guilty and not guilty verdicts--and sometimes those mistakes are exposed at a later date. New evidence may definitively prove someone else committed the crime, rather than the defendant who was convicted of it, or reveal that the defendant couldn't possibly have committed the crime for which he was convicted. Then you get a complete exoneration--and that's an "innocent" person.

Sometimes evidence emerges after an acquittal which is able to establish that the person did commit the crime, even though a jury didn't convict him--that's what happened with O.J., new evidence helped to find him responsible for those deaths at his civil trial.

So "not guilty" refers to not being found criminally responsible in a court of law, but "innocent" means that no way could you have committed the crime--and the two are not the same.

BillRM
 
  2  
Tue 18 Sep, 2012 07:08 pm
@firefly,
Quote:
A not guilty verdict means the defendant is not held criminally liable for the state's charges. It does not mean the defendant could not possibly have committed the crime.


That is a fine reason to leave someone life in financial ruin as he can not prove that he is no question about it innocent. In other word you might be able to beat the charges but not the financial ruin that the state had cause you to suffer.

Let go over this so call justice system.

You find yourself one fine day charge with a serious crime and they had just done the perp walk on you and claimed they had an open and shut case.

Then your family and the few friends you have remaining get the bail up so you do not need to spend the next two years waiting for a trial in a small jail cell.

Your employer had either fired you or told you to come back when and if you are found innocent.

In the lawyer office you find that the retainer will be a hundred thousand dollars and the total cost will likely be many times over that.

There go your retirement savings plus home and any dreams you might had to help your grandkids get their college degrees.

Then the lawyer called you with the news that the state is offering you a plea deal of only two years in prison if you plead guilty and you will end up with at least some part of your retirement fund and home if you do not demand a jury trial.

Being a person of principle you refused to do a plea deal for a crime you did not do and guess what you are found innocent of all charges.

The only problem is you are as poor as you when you were just starting out in life at late middle age and on the internet some woman by the name of Firefly had just compare you to OJ and told the world she consider you are guilt any way,

Such is the US so call justice system.
BillRM
 
  2  
Tue 18 Sep, 2012 08:51 pm
All this posting about the fact that any prosecutor in the country might not be able to send you to prison but he or she surely can financial ruin any middleclass person had remind me the time I went to the mail box and found an official US government envelope from the US Attorney General for the Southern District of Florida.

Now here I am a law abiding citizen of in theory a free country and yet my heart went down my throat wondering why the hell I was receiving such a letter.

Opening it up I found from the letterhead that this was from the gentleman himself not just his office.

It turn out that my congressman had just been picked to be the Southern District Attorney General and a letter of mine concerning some issue send to my congressperson had been bounce to him in his new position.

He was nice enough to send me a reply in person that he totally agree with me but as you can see I am no longer a congressman for your district.

I guess the reaction of getting a letter from such an office out of the blue would be similar to getting a letter say from the IRS criminal investigation division address to you in your mail box out of the blue no matter how clear your conscious happen to be.

An interesting few seconds until I got that letter open and read in any case.
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firefly
 
  1  
Tue 18 Sep, 2012 09:03 pm
@BillRM,
Quote:
Such is the US so call justice system.

And the U.K justice system, the French justice system, the Canadian justice system, the Australian justice system, the Italian justice system, and on and on...

Your real bitch is with lawyer's fees. Are they any cheaper elsewhere?

It's definitely less expensive not to get arrested. What else is new?
Any other great insights.
firefly
 
  1  
Tue 18 Sep, 2012 09:20 pm
I think this man should be able to afford a lawyer...
Quote:

Prominent Boston doctor arrested for having child porn
By NBC News and Reuters

A prominent Boston physician, who was the medical director of the famed prep school Phillips Academy for nearly two decades, was arrested on Thursday and charged with receiving child pornography.

A search of Richard Keller's home turned up more than 500 high-gloss prints of child pornography and between 60 and 100 DVDs full of pornography, the U.S. Attorney's Office in Boston said in a statement.

A criminal complaint filed Thursday described the content of some of the DVDs, including one titled “Boy Fights XX: Late Night Party (2009)," in which young boys displayed their genitals.

Federal investigators, including the United States Postal Inspection Service, started investigating a movie production company that sold DVDs and streamed movies online. The National Center for Missing and Exploited Children’s Cyber TipLine had received more than 20 complaints about the company’s sale of child pornography, according to the criminal complaint.

Most of the movies featured young boys, the complaint said, although it did not name the company.

Keller, 56, was in the customer database, which included two addresses where DVDs had been mailed, including the Isham Student Health Center at Phillips Academy. Keller had placed 19 orders, including more than 50 movie titles totaling $2,695.

Keller was medical director of Phillips for 19 years, ending in 2011. A prestigious boarding school that dates to the 1780s, it counts both former presidents Bush among its graduates.

The prominent people who attended the school during Keller's time there include Facebook co-founder Chris Hughes, actress Olivia Wilde and King Jigme Khesar Namgyel Wangchuck of Bhutan. There was no suggestion in the criminal complaint that Keller had abused any students while at the school.

Phillips Academy, in a brief statement on its website, said it was fully assisting prosecutors and that it planned to brief the community in coming days.

More recently Keller worked as a pediatric endocrinologist at Boston Children's Hospital. The hospital said it put Keller on administrative leave as soon as it learned of the complaint.

"No complaints or concerns have been expressed by any patients or family members about the care Dr. Keller provided while he was at Children's," the hospital said in a statement.

A check of Keller's record with the Massachusetts Board of Registration in Medicine shows no criminal convictions, hospital or board discipline or malpractice claim payments in the last decade. If convicted, Keller could face between five and 20 years in prison.
http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/09/13/13849609-prominent-boston-doctor-arrested-for-having-child-porn?lite


You can read the criminal complaint against him here
http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/i/msnbc/sections/news/keller-affidavit.pdf
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firefly
 
  1  
Tue 18 Sep, 2012 09:25 pm
Terrific, this one was a Sheriff's Deputy.
Quote:
By Angel Brooks
The Atlanta Journal-Constitution
Tuesday, Sept. 18, 2012

A former deputy with the White County Sheriff’s Office pleaded guilty Monday to charges of producing child pornography, the U.S. Attorney’s Office announced Tuesday.

Christopher Thomas Davis, 32, of Dahlonega made the plea in federal court after a jury had been chosen on the first day of his trial. He was indicted last September.

According to the information presented in court, Davis took photographs of a 6-year-old girl engaged in sexually explicit conduct inside his home in May and June 2009. In August 2011, federal agents said they found hundreds of additional images of child pornography on a laptop and an external hard drive at Davis’ home.

Davis worked for the White County Sheriff’s Office at the time of the crime and when he was arrested but has since been fired.

“He violated the trust of the 6-year old victim, who he was charged with protecting, and betrayed the trust of his community by committing this heinous act while employed as [a] sworn law enforcement officer,” U.S. Attorney Sally Quillian Yates said in a news release.

Davis’ sentencing hearing is scheduled for Nov. 27. He could receive a maximum sentence of 30 years in prison, a $250,000 fine and supervised release for life. Upon release, he must register as a sex offender.
http://www.ajc.com/news/news/crime-law/ex-white-county-sheriffs-deputy-pleads-guilty-in-c/nSFGN/
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firefly
 
  1  
Tue 18 Sep, 2012 09:30 pm
This woman had run day care centers...
Quote:
Woman accused in child porn case owned local day cares
Tuesday, September 18, 2012 4:39 pm
By Jenny Wagner

A Moon Township woman who was charged Sunday with child abuse and possession of child pornography is the former owner of two local day care centers, according to a spokeswoman for the state Department of Public Welfare.

DPW spokeswoman Anne Bale said Pamela Smallis, 49, of 300 Stocker Drive, previously operated the Little Folks Child Care Center, 2002 Montour Church Road, North Fayette Township, and Children’s Palace Day Care Center, 1499 Indiana Ave., Monaca, but is no longer affiliated with either facility.

After Smallis was arrested on drug charges in April, investigators found two videos and 33 image files portraying minors in various stages of undress and engaging in sexual activity.

The state Attorney General’s office has filed 100 charges against Smallis, including possession of child pornography, photographing, videotaping, depicting on computer or filing sexual acts, sexual exploitation of children, and corruption of minors.

Lauren Bozart, assistant press secretary for the attorney general’s office, said she could not comment when asked whether Smallis' involvement with the day care centers is part of the ongoing investigation.

Little Folks was shut down after DPW inspectors conducted an emergency relocation of children on Sept. 1, 2010, according to documents from the agency, which regulates child care facilities in the state.

According to inspection reports, numerous violations were observed at the facility between Sept. 2008 and Sept. 2010, including several employees who were supervising children even though they did not have valid child abuse or criminal history clearances.

Other violations included hazardous conditions inside the center and in the outdoor yard and play area, staff members fighting and swearing at each other in front of children, children being left alone and staff members biting children to discipline them for biting others.

Bale said Children’s Palace is still in operation, but is now under new ownership since Smallis sold the business in March 2012.
http://www.timesonline.com/news/police_fire_courts/woman-accused-in-child-porn-case-owned-local-day-cares/article_9649a198-f099-5098-b96a-16c9283eb2ac.html
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firefly
 
  1  
Tue 18 Sep, 2012 09:36 pm
Quote:
Columbia County man sentenced to 6 years in prison for child porn
Sep 18, 2012

JACKSONVILLE, Fla. -- On Monday, a Columbia County man was sentenced to six years in federal prison for receiving child pornography over the internet.

United States District Judge Roy B. Dalton, Jr., sentenced 24-year-old High Springs resident Robert Allen Brammer to 72 months in federal prison Monday, according to a news release from United States Attorney Robert E. O'Neill.

The judge also sentenced Brammer to ten years supervised release after he completes his prison sentence and will have to register as a sex offender and forfeit his computer media.

O'Neill said court documents showed a detective with the North Florida Internet Crimes Against Children (ICAC) Task Force identified Brammer as possibly having child pornography after his IP address had been flagged as offering images of child porn. Detectives traced the IP address back to Brammer's home in High Springs.

Law enforcement served a federal search warrant at Brammer's home September 3, 2010. Authorities seized a laptop computer and desktop tower computer during the search.

O'Neill said during his interview with investigators, Brammer said he began searching for and downloading child porn about three and a half years ago. Brammer said he used file sharing programs to search for and download child porn from the internet.

When the contents of Brammer's computers was analyzed, O'Neill said, detectives found 28 images and 15 videos of child pornography.

The case against Brammer was prosecuted as part of Project Safe Childhood, a nationwide initiative launched in May 2006 by the Department of Justice to combat the growing epidemic of child sexual exploitation and abuse.
http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/local/article/274207/3/Man-sentenced-to-6-years-in-prison-for-child-porn
firefly
 
  1  
Tue 18 Sep, 2012 09:48 pm
Quote:
Photographer admits possession of child pornography
Sep 18, 2012

LOUISVILLE, Ky. (WDRB) -- An Indiana youth sports photographer has admitted to possessing child pornography.

Stephen Brockman pleaded guilty to two counts.

Brockman was arrested in December after police officers saw disturbing images on Brockman's computer when he fell asleep at a Corydon, Indiana McDonald's restaurant.

Police say they later found hundreds of images on the computer.

He's scheduled to be sentenced in December.
http://www.wdrb.com/story/19577515/photographer-admits-possession-of-child-pornography


They don't seem to be lacking people to charge with child porn possession--judging by all the stories just in today's news.

These people seem to be keeping prosecutors quite busy....unfortunately.
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oralloy
 
  0  
Tue 18 Sep, 2012 10:14 pm
@firefly,
firefly wrote:
A not guilty verdict means the defendant is not held criminally liable for the state's charges. It does not mean the defendant could not possibly have committed the crime.


Right, but when it comes to the way they are treated by the law, they are considered innocent.

Otherwise we'd have a de-facto system of guilty until proven innocent, where the state could accuse whoever they wanted, and those who couldn't prove their innocence would have their lives destroyed even if they were not convicted.



firefly wrote:
Sometimes evidence emerges after an acquittal which is able to establish that the person did commit the crime, even though a jury didn't convict him--that's what happened with O.J., new evidence helped to find him responsible for those deaths at his civil trial.


I admit I didn't follow the civil trial, but I think it was more a matter of a lower burden of proof.



firefly wrote:
So "not guilty" refers to not being found criminally responsible in a court of law, but "innocent" means that no way could you have committed the crime--and the two are not the same.


As far as the legal system is concerned, they are the same.

If charges cannot be proven against someone, then society has no business disrupting their lives in any way.
oralloy
 
  1  
Tue 18 Sep, 2012 10:21 pm
@firefly,
firefly wrote:
BillRM wrote:
Such is the US so call justice system.


And the U.K justice system, the French justice system, the Canadian justice system, the Australian justice system, the Italian justice system, and on and on...

Your real bitch is with lawyer's fees. Are they any cheaper elsewhere?

It's definitely less expensive not to get arrested. What else is new?
Any other great insights.


When the system is harmful and is destroying innocent lives that way, it needs to be changed.
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firefly
 
  1  
Tue 18 Sep, 2012 10:50 pm
@oralloy,
Quote:
If charges cannot be proven against someone, then society has no business disrupting their lives in any way.

Well, you don't know until after a trial whether the charges were proved--the defendant's life has already been disrupted.

And just because a conviction wasn't obtained at trial, it doesn't mean the charges and prosecution weren't justified.

This thread is about child pornography possession and distribution. Those cases hinge on actual physical evidence of this material in the defendant's possession, so they pretty much have the proof of possession when they file the charges.

As an example, read the actual criminal complaint against that Boston doctor in one of my last few posts--I provided a link to the actual criminal complaint. It describes the type of material they found in his possession, as well as where he acquired/purchased some of it.

 

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