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Man's life Over, Cops Decide He Watched Child Porn in First Class

 
 
OmSigDAVID
 
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Fri 22 Jun, 2012 01:37 am
@izzythepush,
izzythepush wrote:
What she did to the mining industry will do for starters,
there's also the mass privatisation of utilities, forcing up the cost of living.
OK. Of that, I have no opinion.
I believe that Mrs. Thatcher was and is an anti-gun possession person,
that she opposed freedom in that regard.
I believe that u and she agree concerning that.
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BillRM
 
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Sat 28 Jul, 2012 06:20 am
http://gawker.com/5916994/dark-net-kiddie-porn-website-stymies-fbi-investigation


Dark Net’ Kiddie Porn Website Stymies FBI Investigation

We're fascinated by the Tor Network, an online anonymizing technology that is often referred to by the much more sexy nickname "the dark net." The dark net is a shadow internet where people can do what they please with little fear of being tracked down and identified. Activists in oppressive regimes use the dark net, but so do drug dealers, gun dealers and pedophiles.

Newly released documents from the FBI provide an inside look at how authorities are largely helpless to stop even a brazen child pornography trade on the dark net.
In June 2011, a man called up the Detroit office of the FBI to report a child porn violation, according to documents obtained via a Freedom of Information Act request by transparency agitators Muckrock. The man said he'd found a dark net website called "TSChan," which was hosting child porn.

"He said it looked like child pornography because he could tell the subjects were very young with some in diapers," wrote an FBI agent who conducted a follow-up interview with the tipster.

The guy didn't want to see child porn. He'd just been trying to visit Silk Road, the dark net drug market we exposed a couple years ago. Which must have been a sort of awkward admission to make in an interview with an FBI agent. But in the process he came across TSChan through a link on a dark net directory website. The directory was almost certainly The Hidden Wiki, which is the best map to the dark net. The crowdsourced Hidden Wiki features tantalizing categories—"Markets," "Drugs," "Erotica," etc.—and is the starting place for many dark net newbies. (Here's a screenshot of the Hidden Wiki.)

So he was probably horrified to find the kiddie porn hive on TSChan and went to the feds with the URL in hand. But if he expected them to leap into their black vans and speed off to bust some pedophiles, he was mistaken.

From the report:

"Complaintant had no other information about who the subjects of the pictures were or who would have posted the pictures. Also, because everyone (all internet traffic) connected to the TOR Network is anonymous, there is not currently a way to trace the origin of the website. As such no other investigative leads exist."

On August 2nd, 2011, the interviewing agent recommended the case be closed without further investigation, according to the documents.

This isn't to say that people on the dark net are completely impervious. Some vigilante Anonymous hackers exposed the IP addresses of visitors to a dark net child porn site with an elaborate sting last year. And through careful infiltration, authorities were able to take down a dark net drug market not unlike the Silk Road called the Farmer's Market, in April. TSChan is also no more, apparently chased off the dark net by hackers, according to a note on the Hidden Wiki—it's been moved to a graveyard for "defunct" underage porn websites on the Hidden Wiki.

Still, it's an impressive reminder of the untamed digital wilds that are just a download away.

[Image by Jim Cooke, source art via Andrey Kasimov/Shutterstock]

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firefly
 
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Sat 8 Sep, 2012 01:10 pm
The church proves once again, they can't deal properly with either pedophilia or child pornography. I am glad that the government is holding them accountable.
Quote:
The New York Times
September 7, 2012
Defying Canon and Civil Laws, Diocese Failed to Stop a Priest
By LAURIE GOODSTEIN

On the surface, the Rev. Shawn Ratigan was just the kind of dynamic new priest that any Roman Catholic bishop would have been happy to put in a parish. He rode a motorcycle, organized summer mission trips to Guatemala and joined Bishop Robert W. Finn and dozens of students on a bus trek to Washington for the “March for Life,” a big annual anti-abortion rally.

But in December 2010, Bishop Finn got some disturbing news: Father Ratigan had just tried to commit suicide by running his motorcycle in a closed garage. The day before, a computer technician had discovered sexually explicit photographs of young girls on Father Ratigan’s laptop, including one of a toddler with her diaper pulled away to expose her genitals.

The decisions that Bishop Finn and his second-in-command in the Diocese of Kansas City-St. Joseph, Msgr. Robert Murphy, made about Father Ratigan over the next five months ultimately led to the conviction of the bishop in circuit court on Thursday on one misdemeanor count of failing to report suspected child abuse. It was the first time a Catholic bishop in the United States had been held accountable in criminal court in the nearly three decades since the priest sexual abuse scandals first came to light.

Both Bishop Finn and Monsignor Murphy, as ministers, were required by law to report suspected child abuse to the civil authorities. But they were also required to report under policies that the American bishops put in place 10 years ago at the height of the scandal — policies that now hold the force of canon law.

This is an account of how, as recently as 2011, in violation of both church and civil laws, a bishop and church officials failed to stop a priest from pursuing his obsession with taking pornographic photographs of young girls. Eventually it was Monsignor Murphy, not Bishop Finn, who turned in Father Ratigan.

The witnesses never told their stories in court. The verdict was decided by a judge in a bench trial that lasted less than an hour and a half. But the facts of the case are known and even agreed upon by both the prosecution and the defense — summed up in a nine-page stipulation of testimony that contained details about the case that were not public until they were submitted to the judge on Thursday. Many details were also revealed in what is known as the Graves report, an independent investigation commissioned by the diocese last year and conducted by a former United States attorney, Todd P. Graves.

“I truly regret, “ Bishop Finn said in court on Thursday, “and am sorry for the hurt that these events have caused.”

The bishop had advance warning about Father Ratigan, well before pornography was discovered on the priest’s laptop. Julie Hess, the principal of the parochial school, next door to St. Patrick Parish where Father Ratigan served, had sent a memorandum in May of 2010 to the diocese, which said:

“Parents, staff members, and parishioners are discussing his actions and whether or not he may be a child molester. They have researched pedophilia on the Internet and took in sample articles with examples of how Father Shawn’s actions fit the profile of a child predator.”

Children in the diocese’s schools are taught about appropriate boundaries between adults and children in an abuse-prevention education program called Circle of Grace. Ms. Hess said that while she was inclined to believe that Father Ratigan’s behavior amounted to nothing more than “boundary violations,” other adults were alarmed about specific events: Father Ratigan had put a girl on his lap on a bus trip, attempted to “friend” an eighth grader on Facebook, and had an inappropriate “peer to peer” relationship with a fifth-grade girl. On a children’s group excursion to Father Ratigan’s house, parents spotted hand towels shaped to look like dolls’ clothes, and a pair of girls’ panties in a planter in his yard.

The bishop told Father Ratigan in June 2010 that “we have to take this seriously.” But the testimony showed that the bishop, too, perceived the concerns simply as “boundary issues.”

Nine days before Christmas, Father Ratigan took his sluggish laptop to Ken Kes, a computer technician on contract with St. Patrick Parish, for repairs. Mr. Kes was startled to find photographs of young girls’ torsos and crotches. When he saw the one of the naked toddler, he took the laptop to the parish’s deacon. Mr. Kes is described in the testimony as “being so upset that his hands were shaking to the point he couldn’t open the laptop.”

The deacon immediately took the laptop to Monsignor Murphy at the chancery offices. He gave it to Julie Creech, a technology staff member at the diocese. Ms. Creech found “hundreds of photographs,” according to the testimony, many taken on playgrounds, under tables or in one case, while a girl was sleeping. Many pictures did not show faces — only close-ups of crotches. Ms. Creech wrote a report for her superiors noting that only four or five of the hundreds of pictures appeared to have been downloaded from the Internet: “the rest appeared to have been taken with a personal camera.”

Nevertheless, even before getting the laptop, Monsignor Murphy had already consulted with a Kansas City Police Department captain who served on the diocese’s Independent Review Board. The Graves report said that the captain, Rick Smith, recalled being told by Monsignor Murphy that the diocese had found only one nude photograph, that it was of a member of Father Ratigan’s family, and that it was not a sexual pose. Monsignor Murphy said he did not remember telling the captain those things. Their recollections also differed on what the captain had said about whether the photograph constituted pornography.

The next day, Dec. 17, 2010, Father Ratigan attempted suicide. He left messages apologizing to his family for “the harm caused to the children or you.” When he survived, he was sent first to a hospital, and then to Dr. Rick Fitzgibbons, a psychiatrist in Pennsylvania selected by Bishop Finn. The bishop testified that he was told by the psychiatrist that Father Ratigan was not a risk to children, and had been falsely accused by the school principal.

During this period, two women on staff in diocesan headquarters were urging their superiors to turn Father Ratigan in. Rebecca Summers, then the director of communications, told Monsignor Murphy to call the police, according to the testimony. And Julie Creech, the technology employee, said in a deposition in a related civil suit that she went to see Bishop Finn in his office to make sure he understood what she had seen on the laptop.

“I really got the feeling that maybe he didn’t understand,” Ms. Creech said in the deposition. “I don’t think he saw what I saw.”

The bishop assigned Father Ratigan to serve as a chaplain to the Franciscan Sisters of the Holy Eucharist, in Independence, Mo. He placed seven restrictions on the priest, including not using computers and avoiding all contact with children. But the bishop allowed him, on a “trial” basis, to celebrate Mass for youth groups at the prayer center that the sisters ran.

Over the next five months, Father Ratigan, who is now 46 attended a sixth-grader’s birthday party, co-celebrated a child’s confirmation, communicated with children on his Facebook page, hosted an Easter egg hunt and attended a parade, the testimony recounts. Invited to dinner at the home of parishioners, he was caught taking photographs, under the table, up their daughter’s skirt, according to a federal indictment of Father Ratigan.

Neither the bishop nor any church official told church members or Father Ratigan’s large extended family — which includes many children — that the priest had been ordered to stay away from children, Darron Blankenship, a brother-in-law of Father Ratigan and a police officer who has handled child abuse cases, said in an interview on Friday.

“For somebody that was under restrictions, he had free rein,” Officer Blankenship said. “He just went and did what he wanted.”

Some family members had heard that Father Ratigan’s laptop had contained pornography, Officer Blankenship said, but they assumed it was adult pornography taken off the Internet — upsetting but not surprising, they thought, for a man who had become a priest and had to adjust to celibacy later in life.

Bishop Finn and Monsignor Murphy learned about some of Father Ratigan’s violations of his restrictions. “I will have to tell him,” Bishop Finn wrote in an e-mail to the psychiatrist, “that he must not attend these children’s gatherings, even if there are parents present. I had been very clear about this with him already.”

The testimony filed in court on Thursday says that because the bishop trusted Father Ratigan to respect the restrictions, he was never monitored and the community was never informed.

On May 11, 2011, while Bishop Finn was out of town, Monsignor Murphy again contacted Captain Smith at the Police Department and told him that the diocese had indeed found not one, but hundreds of photographs of little girls. A week later, Father Ratigan was arrested for possession of child pornography. He was convicted in August and is awaiting sentencing.

Bishop Finn and the diocese were indicted by a grand jury in October 2011. Monsignor Murphy was given immunity for cooperating with the prosecution. He testified that he turned Father Ratigan in because he had grown concerned that he was truly a pedophile. The monsignor said that when the bishop learned he had turned in Father Ratigan, “It seemed he was angry.”

After Father Ratigan was arrested, Bishop Finn met with his priests. Asked why Father Ratigan was not removed earlier, the bishop replied, according to the testimony, that he had wanted “to save Father Ratigan’s priesthood” and that he had understood that Father Ratigan’s problem was “only pornography.”
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/08/us/in-pedophile-case-church-failed-to-stop-priest.html?_r=1&hp
BillRM
 
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Sat 8 Sep, 2012 01:34 pm
@firefly,
Interesting and my question is why would not a whole lot of other people who was in the church and have questions about this priest such as Rebecca Summers and Julie Hess, the principal of the parochial school, not also be charge with the same crime? Only the head of the local church have a reporting obligation under this law .

Having CP is a crime in itself but also seems not to be by itself evidence of likely child abuse happening even if it surely a big red flag in that direct.

I might need to take the time to look at the wording of this mandatory reporting law.

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During this period, two women on staff in diocesan headquarters were urging their superiors to turn Father Ratigan in. Rebecca Summers, then the director of communications, told Monsignor Murphy to call the police, according to the testimony. And Julie Creech, the technology employee, said in a deposition in a related civil suit that she went to see Bishop Finn in his office to make sure he understood what she had seen on the laptop.
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BillRM
 
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Sat 8 Sep, 2012 03:08 pm
@firefly,
Nothing is ever simple.......here is another viewpoint


TAKING AIM AT BISHOP FINN
This ad, written by Bill Donohue, was rejected by the Kansas City Star, without explanation. The close relationship between the newspaper and SNAP is disturbing, but to turn down $25,000 is still surprising. The Star can impose a gag rule on us, but it cannot control us. We intend to let everyone in Kansas City, Missouri know about this matter.

TAKING AIM AT BISHOP FINN

There is nothing wrong with asking legitimate questions about the way Bishop Robert Finn handled the Fr. Shawn Ratigan matter. But there is something wrong about not asking legitimate questions about the politics of those out to sink him. First, let’s recap what actually happened.

Last December, crotch-shot pictures of young girls, fully clothed, were found on Fr. Ratigan’s computer; there was one photo of a naked girl. The very next day, the Diocese contacted a police officer and described the naked picture; a Diocesan attorney was shown it. Because the photo was not sexual in nature, it was determined that it did not constitute child pornography. This explains why the Independent Review Board was not contacted—there was no specific allegation of child abuse.

When Fr. Ratigan discovered that the Diocese had learned of his fetish, he attempted suicide. When he recovered, he was immediately sent for psychiatric evaluation. It is important to note that Bishop Finn, who never saw any of the photos, did this precisely because he was considering the possibility of removing Fr. Ratigan from ministry. After evaluation (the priest was diagnosed as suffering from depression, but was not judged to be a pedophile), Fr. Ratigan was placed in a spot away from children and subjected to various restrictions. After he violated them, the Diocese called the cops. That’s when more disturbing photos were found. At the same time, Bishop Finn contacted an attorney to do an independent investigation into this matter.

Fair-minded persons may question whether the Diocese was too lenient, but unless there is reason to believe that a crime has been committed, there is no cause for contacting the authorities. Yet the Diocese—unlike the officials of other organizations faced with the same situation—contacted a police officer and a lawyer immediately. [Note: in 2007, a huge investigation by the Associated Press of teacher sexual misconduct revealed that Missouri school districts were guilty of “backroom deals” that allowed molesting teachers to “quietly move on.” So where is the dust-up about this? Where are the calls for grand jury probes?] Why, then, the attempt to get Bishop Finn?

What’s driving the anti-Finn campaign is politics. The major players are the Survivors Network of those Abused by Priests (SNAP) and attorneys Rebecca Randles and Jeffrey Anderson. Their goal is not justice. Nor is it child welfare. Their goal is to sabotage the Catholic Church.

Here’s how it works. Anderson, who is worth hundreds of millions, helps to fund SNAP. SNAP works with Randles, a protégé of Anderson, and together they find new “victims”—adults who just now seem to remember being groped decades ago. Indeed, upwards of 20 new lawsuits have been filed since Ratigan was nailed in May. SNAP, ever coy, then holds a press conference, making wild accusations. Importantly, no one in Finn’s office is prepared to comment because Randles has yet to file suit. In other words, SNAP and Randles ambush the Diocese, garnering a high media profile, and then press the authorities to indict Bishop Finn.

What is SNAP? It sells itself as a victims’ advocacy organization that represents those who have been abused by any authority. This is a lie. It concentrates almost exclusively on the Catholic Church. How do I know? For one, just check its website. More revealing, last July I asked trusted sources to register at a SNAP conference outside of Washington, D.C. The entire event was dedicated to discussing ways to undermine what they called the “evil institution,” namely the Catholic Church. No one from SNAP has contested a single comment attributed to the speakers as described in my report, “SNAP Exposed.”

Here’s how SNAP manipulates the media. At the meeting, attendees were instructed how to hold a press conference: “Display holy childhood photos”; Use “feeling words”; Say, “I was scared” or “I was suicidal”; “Be sad, not mad”; “If you don’t have compelling holy childhood photos, we can provide you with photos of other kids that can be held up for the cameras.” The unmistakable goal is to feign sorrow and stage the event.

SNAP’s director, David Clohessy, began his activist career by working for ACORN, the now discredited far-left wing organization. In 1988, while watching the movie, “Nuts,” he had a revelation: his memory exploded with tales of being molested by a priest 20 years earlier. Three years later, his attorney, Jeffrey Anderson, sued the local diocese; working with Anderson for the first time was Rebecca Randles. The time gap in both instances is striking.

Clohessy wants Bishop Finn behind bars for not moving fast enough on this matter. But when Clohessy was working for SNAP in the 1990s, he refused to contact the authorities when he learned of a man who was sexually abusing young men. That man was his brother, Kevin, a Catholic priest. Feeling conflicted, David wondered, “he’s my brother; he’s an abuser. Do I treat him like my brother? Do I treat him like an abuser?” He chose the former. “He [Kevin] told me he was getting help, getting treatment.” This is understandable. What is not understandable is his outrage at bishops when they voice the same sentiment about their brother priests. The duplicity is sickening.

Is SNAP really upset about child porn, or just when a priest is involved? Dr. Steve Taylor is a psychiatrist who is in prison for downloading child porn on his computer. He is not just an ordinary shrink with a sick appetite—he worked for SNAP for years. Before his conviction, Barbara Blaine, the founder of SNAP, intervened on his behalf and wrote to the Louisiana State Board of Medical Examiners asking them to give consideration to Taylor’s alleged humanitarian work—she didn’t want him to lose his license. Had Taylor been a priest, her reaction would have been vengeful.

At the July SNAP conference, Blaine spoke about priests who believe they have been mistreated by the authorities and want to countersue. She said they may have “a legal right,” but they “don’t have a moral right to do so.” This is what SNAP means by justice. When lawsuits were flying in 2002, after revelations about the Boston scandal, many priests who claimed innocence decided to countersue. SNAP actually declared such lawsuits “brutal” and “un-Christian.”

This one-way street favored by SNAP also manifests itself in other ways. While it always protects the names of its accusers, it demands that we know the names of accused priests, including those who are dead. Moreover, it will not release the names of its donors. Yet they condemn the Catholic Church for lacking transparency.

In August, SNAP accused New York Archbishop Timothy Dolan of covering up an alleged incident involving a teenage girl who said she was “inappropriately touched” by an 87-year-old priest. Dolan knew nothing about it until the cops were called. SNAP has yet to apologize. It also accused Dolan of “acting secretively” about a previous case where a priest was suspended. But Dolan was not in New York at the time—he was the Archbishop of Milwaukee. Moreover, at the SNAP conference, Dolan was accused of shielding 55 molesting priests. This is libelous. But it is what we have come to expect from these people—a SNAP official once spat in the Archbishop’s face.

SNAP is so anti-priest that its Kentucky chapter leader once lobbied state authorities to warn residents when Catholic priests who have been accused, but not convicted, of sexual abuse move into their neighborhood. Just priests. A few years ago, in California, a boy’s father alleged that his son had been abused by a priest in the 1990s. The case was dismissed. The alleged victim, now a grown man, said it never happened. When SNAP then learned that this innocent priest was appointed to a sex abuse panel, it went ballistic. In SNAP’s mind, once a priest is charged, he’s guilty, no matter what the verdict says.

The reason why SNAP wants to bring down Bishop Finn is because it always shoots for the top. In September, Clohessy admitted that his goal is to bring down the pope. “We’re not naïve,” he said. “We don’t think the pope will be hauled off in handcuff’s next week or month. But by the same token, our long-term chances are excellent.” This kind of thinking explains why SNAP recently blasted the Vatican’s new guidelines on sex abuse the day before they were released.

SNAP is so hateful that it even endorses Gestapo-like tactics used against the Catholic Church. Last year, the world was stunned to learn of a Belgium police raid on Church facilities, looking for evidence of wrongdoing. The bishop was detained for over nine hours; the police even went so far as to drill into the tombs of two deceased cardinals looking for documents. And what did Barbara Blaine say? “If children are to be protected, the actions of Belgian law enforcement must become the norm, not the aberration.”

While fascistic means are acceptable to SNAP, it knows it can’t get away with that in the U.S. So it elects to work with those who are flooding the Diocese with lawsuits. This way it can drain its resources, tie up the courts and seek to turn the public against the Catholic Church.

Randles was one of the lawyers who was behind the bundled lawsuits that led to a 2008 settlement with the Diocese of Kansas City-St. Joseph. Those lawsuits included claims dating back to just after World War II. Now she’s back, representing clients who just now seem to recall being abused many moons ago. The timing couldn’t be more convenient. The SNAP-led crowd is now claiming that the settlement, which held that the Diocese had to take steps to curb abuse, was violated. Their proposed remedy represents the fulfillment of their dreams: they want the Diocese to cede control of its operations.

Between 2009-2010 (the latest years for which data are available), there was a 42 percent increase in false allegations against priests. So-called repressed memory figures prominently in these bogus charges. A few years ago, researchers at Harvard Medical School studied this phenomenon and concluded that it has no scientific basis—it is purely a cultural invention. Harvard psychology professor Richard J. McNally also studied this subject. “The notion that the mind protects itself by banishing the most disturbing, terrifying events is psychiatric folklore.” He added, “The more traumatic and stressful something is, the less likely someone is to forget it.”

Randles is now charging that not only did the Diocese know what was happening, and did nothing about it, those in charge actually encouraged it. Here are some examples, all filed recently. In the case of Fr. Stephen Wise, the suit charges that “The Diocese ratified Wise’s sexual abuse of the plaintiff by encouraging him to commit the abuse and encouraging him to continue committing the abuse.” In the Fr. Michael Tierney case, the suit claims, “the sexual abuse of minors became a collective objective of the Diocese.” And in the Fr. Mark Honhart case, the suit also claims, “the sexual abuse of minors became a collective objective of the Diocese.”

In one sense, this kind of language is useful: it is positive proof of the anti-Catholic mindset. In their vision, the Catholic Church is the font of all evil, with the pope at command central. All of this might have been believable if it had been said by nativists 150 years ago, or by those in the asylum today, but to think that such malicious fiction is being trumpeted in 2011—by lawyers no less—is mind-boggling.

Clohessy recently wrote to the prosecutors of Clay County and Jackson County. “Jailing Finn, once his guilt has been determined or admitted, would be an unprecedented and effective step toward preventing future clergy sex crimes and cover ups, in Kansas City and elsewhere.” So Bishop Finn either admits his guilt or is found guilty. There is no other option. That’s exactly the way they think.

It is incorrect to assume that Randles and company are motivated mostly by money. No, their real goal is control—the control of the Catholic Church. Randles wants the Diocese to accept third-party supervision of these matters. She is asking for “continuing supervision,” explaining that she is “looking for a mechanism to enforce the provisions of the settlement agreement from this day forward, so that there is some form of continuing watch-dogging.” It doesn’t get much plainer than this.

The Catholic League stands by Bishop Finn without reservation. What’s at stake goes well beyond Kansas City. It should be clear by now that the ultimate goal is to have the Catholic Church cede its autonomy to the state. It’s what the Catholic haters have long wanted, and are now using Bishop Finn to dig a hole in the First Amendment.

Bill Donohue

President

Catholic League for Religious and Civil Rights

450 7th Avenue, New York, New York 10123

www.catholicleague.org

BillRM
 
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Sat 8 Sep, 2012 03:24 pm
@firefly,
http://www.ewtnnews.com/catholic-news/US.php?id=4332


Bishop Finn indictment is legally defective
By Michael Quinlan
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The indictment of Kansas City-St. Joseph Bishop Robert Finn has captured national and international attention, as he is the highest-ranking Church official in the United States to be criminally charged in connection with allegations of sexual misconduct by a priest under his authority.

As justified as outrage may be concerning admitted missteps of diocesan officials, careful review of the indictment, the applicable law and the facts found by the former U.S. Attorney Todd Graves, reveals that the law Bishop Finn is charged with breaking does not apply to the circumstances of this case.

The prosecutor’s overzealous misuse of that law in these circumstances violates constitutional due process protections and denies rights to fundamental fairness. The expedient denial of these rights to some is an assault on us all.

Background

After diocesan officials delayed five months in turning over to police “disturbing” photos obtained from his laptop, Father Shawn Ratigan was indicted on child pornography charges based on photos investigators found on Father Ratigan’s other computer devices they obtained later through search warrants.

Following these indictments, and the media outcry that followed, newly appointed Jackson County Circuit Attorney Jean Peters Baker obtained a grand jury indictment charging Bishop Finn and the diocese with violating Missouri’s mandatory child abuse reporting law.

That law requires specified professionals (including priests) to report immediately to the state Department of Family Services (DFS) suspected past or likely future child abuse. In addition to a fine, conviction for violating this law can lead to imprisonment for up to one year.

Media and victims advocate groups have likened the diocese’s delay in notifying authorities to the inexcusable conduct of bishops in the U.S. and Europe, who for years and sometimes decades covered up known sexual abuse of minors by priests under their control and even assigned and reassigned these men to stations where they could continue their predation.

The facts, however, as found by an independent investigation, do not support this comparison. Nor do they support the criminal charge against Bishop Finn.

Based upon what is currently known, Bishop Finn did not commit a crime. Fundamentally, the law under which Bishop Finn was indicted does not apply to the facts of this case. Whatever other consequences Bishop Finn must endure, he should not be threatened with imprisonment under this law.

Essential Facts

On Dec. 17, 2010, Bishop Finn learned from his vicar general, Msgr. Robert Murphy, that Father Ratigan was found to have “disturbing” photos of children on his personal laptop, but that the police captain on the diocese’s Independent Review Board (IRB) advised that they were not pornographic. This advice was confirmed within a day by the diocese’s attorney, a partner with one of Kansas City’s most prominent law firms, who reviewed the laptop pictures and advised that they did not constitute child pornography.

That day, Father Ratigan unsuccessfully attempted suicide. After some weeks, he recovered and was sent to Pennsylvania for psychiatric evaluation. This evaluation resulted in a report to Bishop Finn that concluded Father Ratigan was not a pedophile. From Dec. 17, 2010 until sometime shortly after Feb.10, 2011, Father Ratigan was hospitalized for treatment of depression.

After his release from the hospital, while diocesan officials considered how to deal with the situation, Bishop Finn isolated Father Ratigan with an assignment serving elderly nuns in a secluded location. In addition, among other restrictions, Bishop Finn explicitly ordered Father Ratigan to have no contact with children and not to use a computer.

On March 31, 2011, Bishop Finn first learned that Father Ratigan had violated his restrictions by attending a young girl’s birthday party earlier that month. Following consultations with his staff, on April 8, Bishop Finn met with and reprimanded Father Ratigan, repeating his directive to not contact children. However, Ratigan began disobeying these orders within days, although the Graves report seems to indicate diocesan officials were not aware of this at the time.

Around the beginning of May, Msgr. Murphy, recovering from knee surgery, received a report that Father Ratigan was accessing guest computers at the place he was staying. On May 11, returning from his convalescence, Msgr. Murphy met with the IRB police captain and made the determination to turn the laptop photos over to police. Bishop Finn was out of town at the time. The ensuing investigation led to the child pornography charges previously mentioned.

At no time during this process was any victim of sexual abuse ever identified. The children in the “disturbing” laptop photos could not be readily identified at the time because all but two of the subjects’ faces were obscured. All but one of the photos were of normally clothed children, although the pictures focused on the children’s abdomen and crotch areas.

Bishop Finn was told of only one nude photo of a diaper-removed toddler showing full frontal nudity. However, as noted, the diocese’s attorney had advised the bishop this photo was not pornographic because there was no depiction of sexual activity. This confirmed the previous advice from the IRB police captain. Bishop Finn did not personally review any of the photos.

The Graves Report indicates that, based on the information available to him, Bishop Finn did not believe Father Ratigan had sexually molested anyone. This belief seems so far to be validated by the continuing absence of any criminal charges of sexual molestation against Father Ratigan. The Graves Report acknowledged that diocesan officials were never aware of an “identifiable victim.”

It is precisely this absence of an “identifiable victim” that renders the indictment erroneous and exonerates Bishop Finn from the criminal charges.

The Law

Crimes are defined by statute. Guilt is found only when the state proves beyond a reasonable doubt the key factual elements specified in the statute. The criminal statute Bishop Finn is accused of violating, Mo. Rev. Stat. 110.115, provides that “When any … person with responsibility for the care of children … has reasonable cause to suspect that a child has been or may be subjected to abuse … that person shall immediately report or cause a report to be made” to DFS.

The indictment tracks the statutory language, alleging that Bishop Finn had “reasonable cause to suspect that a child may be subjected to abuse …” principally because of his knowledge of the “disturbing” contents of the laptop.

It is significant that the indictment refers only to possible future abuse, because it conveys the prosecutor’s recognition that there was no “cause to suspect” (i.e., evidence of) past reportable abuse. Also significant is the indictment’s failure to allege that Bishop Finn knew of an identifiable potential future victim.

In essence, Bishop Finn is accused of failing to alert DFS when he allegedly should have suspected Father Ratigan might abuse an as yet unidentified child at some unknown future time and place. This charge is a distortion and misuse of the mandatory reporting statute, because the plain language of the statute requires the identification of an identifiable victim who was or might be “subjected to abuse.”

The statute defines reportable “abuse” as “any physical injury, sexual abuse or emotional abuse inflicted on a child other than by accidental means by those responsible for the child’s care, custody and control.”

The statutory language plainly contemplates an identifiable child and a specific incident or threat of actual harm. This intention is obvious from the overall statutory scheme (Mo. Rev. Stat., 210.109-210.183), providing that a “report” puts in motion an investigative process aimed at the protection of the identified at-risk child.

There is no reported Missouri case in which someone has been charged with violation of the mandatory reporting law in the absence of an identified abuse victim. On the contrary, these prosecutions invariably arise when a mandated reporter (e.g. ER nurse, etc.), in the course of contact with a child, has observed evidence of abuse (bruises, etc.) and failed to report, and thereafter the child was abused again — always seriously, often fatally.

Additionally, the fact that reportable abuse under the statute refers to an identified at-risk child is demonstrated by the instructions on the DFS website, which require a caller to convey detailed information about the victim, the nature of the abuse/neglect, evidence relied on, etc.

When a call was placed to the Midtown Kansas City office of DFS, an official stated it was necessary to identify an endangered child. This is consistent with specific advice DFS had given to the diocese, as noted in the Graves Report, that clearly indicated that reportable abuse refers to an identifiable victim.

Furthermore, the call to DFS revealed that one could not report just a suspected abuser on the hotline. To report suspicions only a possible abuser, the DFS official said, one “would probably contact the police.” This, of course, is what Msgr. Murphy ultimately did. Note, however, that there is no law that required that report and, similarly, there is no law punishing anyone’s failure to have done so sooner.

Because there was no identifiable at-risk child, the bishop and the diocese had nothing to report to DFS and, the DFS website and DFS official indicate that such a report would not even have been accepted.


Conclusion

Catholics and non-Catholics alike are rightfully outraged at the laxity of bishops who for many years effectively sheltered child predators and thereby endangered children. Yet for all the errors in the handling of the Father Ratigan case, based on the facts found in the Graves Report, it cannot fairly be said that Bishop Finn deliberately sheltered a known predator or knowingly endangered children.

On the contrary, Bishop Finn isolated and restricted Father Ratigan, and the diocese turned him in to police when he defied those restrictions. The three months between his release from the hospital and when the diocese turned him in is not remotely comparable to the years and decades of cover up and enabling that came to light in 2002.

We may justifiably condemn the sluggish and inept handling of the Father Ratigan case by diocesan officials and lawyers. However, on the issue of whether Bishop Finn’s conduct was criminal, we must follow the dictates of the law. He simply did not violate the law.

Ours is a government of laws and not men. In criminal prosecutions especially, rank or stature cannot trump the law either for leniency or vengeance. For a prosecutor to twist the law in a case of even justifiable outrage undermines the integrity of our system and threatens us all.
With no known victim, neither Bishop Finn nor anyone else at the Diocese broke the law by failing to notify DFS, and, therefore, the indictment cannot stand.

Michael Quinlan, J.D., L.L.M., is a Missouri licensed attorney. He has practiced law in the St. Louis area for 25 years.


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firefly
 
  1  
Sun 9 Sep, 2012 06:10 am
@BillRM,
Oh, please, not William Donohue.

What other viewpoint could possibly come from him? He does nothing but relentlessly promote the idea that everyone is anti-Catholic and out to get the Church, denying the fact that the Church is still failing to uphold both civil and canon law.
Quote:
It should be clear by now that the ultimate goal is to have the Catholic Church cede its autonomy to the state. It’s what the Catholic haters have long wanted, and are now using Bishop Finn to dig a hole in the First Amendment.


Donohue still doesn't get it. The Catholic Church is not above, or beyond, the law when it comes to their complicity in crimes. He can rant and rave as much as he wants to, the Church has no autonomy in that regard.

The Church cannot continue to hide and shield its pedophiles and child pornographers. It should have learned that by now. Until that happens, the government will continue to impress that on them.

This legal case was decided by a judge, at a bench trial, and the defense stipulated to the facts--they agreed with the facts as they were presented by the prosecution--which is why there were no witnesses called. And it only took the judge a half hour to arrive at a decision.

Donohue's rant against SNAP, like all of his other public rants, is one of his usual paranoid diatribes about everyone being out to get the Church. He's a major apologist for the Church.

This latest legal case had nothing to do with a political vendetta. Sure, it's bad P.R. for the Church, and that's really why Donohue's upset.

The disgrace is that these things are still going on in the Church,




BillRM
 
  1  
Sun 9 Sep, 2012 06:19 am
@firefly,
Sorry but in this case there is no known victim of child abuse or likely victim to report about and nor had any shown up to date concerning this priest.

The pictures the church knew about was judge not to be CP if very questionable.

This time for once the church got the short end of this matter as they did take steps with the information they had at the time.

It look like they are being punish for past sins of the church more then what happen in this case.
firefly
 
  1  
Sun 9 Sep, 2012 06:24 am
@BillRM,
Well, in posting that article, you just proved that Michael Quinlan, J.D., L.L.M. was wrong in his thinking.
Quote:
neither Bishop Finn nor anyone else at the Diocese broke the law by failing to notify DFS, and, therefore, the indictment cannot stand.


The law did apply in the circumstances of this case.

Not only did the indictment stand, a conviction was just obtained.
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firefly
 
  1  
Sun 9 Sep, 2012 06:28 am
@BillRM,
You really do soak up the propoganda that people like Donohue put out.

I didn't think you were that gullible.



BillRM
 
  1  
Sun 9 Sep, 2012 06:38 am
@firefly,
Had the priest in question been charge to date with abusing any child?

Had any child come forward with such charges against this priest to date?

There is no mandatory reporting laws over what might or might not be CP and that to date is what the priest been charge with.
BillRM
 
  1  
Sun 9 Sep, 2012 08:11 am
http://www.boston.com/sports/colleges/football/articles/2012/08/27/minn_coachs_wife_porn_charges_ridiculous/

MINNEAPOLIS—A Minnesota football coach accused of taking pornographic videos of his children is offering a simple explanation: The images are nothing more than innocent family antics, unfairly misinterpreted by authorities as having the darkest possible motive.

That defense, first presented by Todd Hoffner's attorney last week and reiterated by his wife on Monday, will face tremendous scrutiny by investigators in the days ahead and a likely challenge by prosecutors before a jury, experts said.

"Where you draw the line is through investigation," said Meg Garvin, the executive director of the National Crime Victim Law Institute in Portland, Ore. "Because sometimes the pictures you first see in a child pornography case might be very similar to benign family photos, and it takes more investigation to determine that, as well as experts talking to the children. And that's sometimes how we'll find out what's happening."

What they'll discover is nothing illegal, said Melodee Hoffner, whose husband is the football coach at Minnesota State University in Mankato. In the family's first statement since her husband's arrest last week, Hoffner called the charges against her husband "ridiculous and baseless."

"My family does what every family does -- we take videos and pictures of our kids in all their craziness," Melodee Hoffner said Monday.

Hoffner, 46, of Eagle Lake, was arrested last week and charged with two felonies: possession of child pornography and using minors in a sexual performance or pornographic work. Capt. Rich Murry of the Blue Earth County Sheriff's Office said officers seized computers, discs and electronic equipment when they searched the coach's home following his arrest, and that material is being searched for any relevant evidence.

Experts who reviewed authorities' descriptions of Hoffner's videos said to determine the innocent from the nefarious, detectives will try to uncover whether the videos were kept secret or if other adult family members knew of them. While debating whether to file charges, they said, officials often consider whether there are multiple pictures or videos and whether the children are acting naturally for their age.

Marsh Halberg, a prominent defense attorney in the Minneapolis-St. Paul area, said such investigations rarely yield close calls. He cited a case in which his client was investigated for taking a picture of her naked toddler on a beach. It was seen by day care workers, who went to authorities.

Officials searched his client's home and conducted interviews to determine the context of the photo, Halberg said. They decided not to charge his client.

"Usually, when I have a child porn case, this hasn't been a gray line," he said.

In Minnesota, the legal definition of child pornography includes performances depicting actual or simulated sexual conduct, and the definition of sexual conduct includes masturbation or lewd exhibitions of the genitals. That's typical of state and federal laws on child pornography, which generally define videos or photos as such if they include images that have the intent of evoking a sexual response, said Parry Aftab, a New Jersey attorney and online child safety advocate.

A naked child in the bathtub is not pornography by itself, she said, but a nude girl with her legs spread or a boy touching his genitals meets that definition.

At a court hearing after Hoffner's arrest, his attorney, Jim Fleming, said the videos show nothing graphic, abusive or exploitive and defended them as "private family moments." Hoffner's wife said Monday the couple's three children love to dance, play and act silly, and to be photographed and recorded.

"I assure you our children have not been exploited or abused -- they are healthy physically, mentally and emotionally; and have normal relationships with friends, family and teachers," said Hoffner, who works as a guidance counselor at Mankato East High School.

Cordelia Anderson, a Minneapolis-based consultant on the prevention of child sexual abuse and exploitation, said one of the things investigators likely will look at is whether Hoffner was directing the children. The description of the videos offered by authorities state a man's voice can be heard, but does not include what is being said. The described actions don't sound like those of children between the ages of 5- and 9-years-old who were in front of their parents, she said.

"Children can be smiling. Children can be laughing. The adult can be very skilled at setting this up as a game at these ages," Anderson said.

Fleming rejected such assessments of the videos: "I don't know how they can say it when they haven't seen (them)," he said.

Hoffner has been placed on leave at Minnesota State, where he was entering his fifth year as football coach. Authorities said they uncovered the videos after Hoffner brought his university-issued phone to the school's information technology department earlier this month because it wasn't working properly. An employee came across the videos and reported them to his superiors.

"There was certainly something in what they saw that concerned them. It's good to see they were willing to report it," Anderson said.

------

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firefly
 
  1  
Sun 9 Sep, 2012 09:15 am
@BillRM,
Quote:
Had the priest in question been charge to date with abusing any child?

Had any child come forward with such charges against this priest to date?


A child doesn't have to come forward to press charges. Where did you ever get that idea? Does a murder victim have to come forward to press charges? You have no understanding of the law, the legal process, or the criminal justice system, and you really should not continue to comment on such matters because you only make a fool of yourself.

The priest is a pedophile. He was producing, collecting, and possessing, child pornography. There doesn't seem to be any doubt that was going on--that's why the Bishop forbade this priest to have contact with children--and that's why Monsignor Murphy finally turned him in to law enforcement. The Bishop failed to do what he should have done as a mandated reporter of child abuse. You don't seem to understand the basic facts of this case.

The taking of photos, of this type, which are child pornography, is a form of child abuse. And the priest was taking these photos himself.
Quote:
Invited to dinner at the home of parishioners, he was caught taking photographs, under the table, up their daughter’s skirt, according to a federal indictment of Father Ratigan....

The deacon immediately took the laptop to Monsignor Murphy at the chancery offices. He gave it to Julie Creech, a technology staff member at the diocese. Ms. Creech found “hundreds of photographs,” according to the testimony, many taken on playgrounds, under tables or in one case, while a girl was sleeping. Many pictures did not show faces — only close-ups of crotches. Ms. Creech wrote a report for her superiors noting that only four or five of the hundreds of pictures appeared to have been downloaded from the Internet: “the rest appeared to have been taken with a personal camera

You want them to be able to identify the crotches? Even if they could, you would want to drag these children into court? Are you out of your mind?
Quote:
On May 11, 2011, while Bishop Finn was out of town, Monsignor Murphy again contacted Captain Smith at the Police Department and told him that the diocese had indeed found not one, but hundreds of photographs of little girls. A week later, Father Ratigan was arrested for possession of child pornography. He was convicted in August and is awaiting sentencing.

Quote:
There is no mandatory reporting laws over what might or might not be CP and that to date is what the priest been charge with.

Even the defense attorney for the Bishop in this case did not make that sort of idiotic argument.

There was a great deal of investigation done in this case, and the defense attorney did not dispute the facts.

That was child pornography the priest possessed. And the priest has already been convicted.
Quote:
The witnesses never told their stories in court. The verdict was decided by a judge in a bench trial that lasted less than an hour and a half. But the facts of the case are known and even agreed upon by both the prosecution and the defense — summed up in a nine-page stipulation of testimony that contained details about the case that were not public until they were submitted to the judge on Thursday. Many details were also revealed in what is known as the Graves report, an independent investigation commissioned by the diocese last year and conducted by a former United States attorney, Todd P. Graves.


The Bishop who was convicted, for failure to report suspected child abuse, and the potential for future child abuse, knew exactly the sorts of activities this priest was engaged in. That's why he moved the priest to another assignment and tried to put limitations on the priest's contacts with children. That's exactly the same sort of thing the Church did in the past to protect these pedophiles, and the public image of the Church, rather than turn them into the police for a government investigation. And that Bishop never did turn the priest in--that's why he was convicted.
Quote:
This is an account of how, as recently as 2011, in violation of both church and civil laws, a bishop and church officials failed to stop a priest from pursuing his obsession with taking pornographic photographs of young girls. Eventually it was Monsignor Murphy, not Bishop Finn, who turned in Father Ratigan.


The accusations, and evidence, against the priest, have nothing to do with whether the Bishop failed to fulfill his mandated, legal obligation to report suspected child abuse. He failed to do what he should have done. He suspected child abuse--even though he might have tried to rationalize or minimize it, or hoped that his restrictions would control the priest--but he never reported it.

In the Church hierarchy, that Bishop is the responsible party--and he failed to act responsibly, even according to canon law.

Stop drinking Donohue's KoolAid.

And that other case you posted is totally irrelevant to this case of the priest and the Bishop. Again revealing that you don't really comprehand the case we are discussing.

As I said before, you have no understanding of the law, the legal process, or the criminal justice system, and you really should not continue to comment on such matters because you only make a fool of yourself.




BillRM
 
  1  
Sun 9 Sep, 2012 09:36 am
@firefly,
No child had been shown to had been abuse by him and no showing that he produce any of those pictures himself so once more what to report other then some pictures that might had been child porn or not child porn.

There is no mandatory perhaps it child porn reporting laws so clearly the DA did some very created reading of the current law.

You picked one hell of a weak case to posted about and once more the church seems to be being punished for past inactions not current actions in this case.

Name one child that was being abused or was claiming to had been abused and a non reporting claims by the church would be valid.

As you pointed out the church did take steps at once to have the situation investigated and in the mean time to protested children but that does not mean that they knew of any child that had been harm that they needed to do a report over.

BillRM
 
  1  
Sun 9 Sep, 2012 09:49 am
@firefly,
That one of the problems with trying to turn citizens into unpaid police informers as the laws were sold to the public by referring to cases of clear child abuses and hitting the emotional buttons of the public and a DA will then read the laws wording to give him the right to charge people under it in a manner and under conditions that was not discuss when the laws was passed in the first place.

We all know of the past shameful history of the church when it came to dealing with pedophile priests but this case seem to be an example of the church acting in a very responsible manner.

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firefly
 
  1  
Sun 9 Sep, 2012 10:12 am
@BillRM,
Quote:
No child had been shown to had been abuse by him and no showing that he produce any of those pictures himself so once more what to report other then some pictures that might had been child porn or not child porn

You are as dumb as a rock.

The priest has already pleaded guilty to production of child pornography.There is no question about the pictures being child pornography. They were child pornography. And the priest took the photos himself.

Producing child pornography is child abuse you idiot.

And "some pictures" were hundreds of pictures on the priest's computer.

And, the priest, the Bishop, and the Diocese were slapped with a civil suit by the parents of a specific child last year.
Quote:
KANSAS CITY, Missouri - The Catholic Diocese of Kansas City-St. Joseph, a bishop. and a priest now face a civil lawsuit, which alleges that Father Shawn Ratigan created child pornography, and the diocese distributed the pornographic images.

At a news conference on Thursday, the Jeff Anderson and Associates law firm, announced their civil lawsuit against the Diocese of Kansas City-St. Joseph, Bishop Robert Finn and Father Shawn Ratigan. The lawsuit alleges that the Diocese and Finn violated federal and state child pornography and child abuse laws when they concealed evidence of FRatigan creating child pornography by photographing and being sexually inappropriate with young parish girls.

The lawsuit also accuses the Diocese of possessing and distributing child pornography. The court documents allege that the Diocese and Bishop Finn possessed the child pornography for approximately six months and concealed the images from law enforcement, in order to protect the Diocese, Bishop Finn and Father Ratigan from scandal.

... Now he faces this lawsuit from the parents of a 7-year-old parish girl. Lawyers say Ratigan took pictures of the girl when she was as young as 3 years old. They say Ratigan was working for the church in Easton, Missouri at the time.

They accuse Ratigan and Finn of concealing sexually inappropriate photos found on Ratigan's computer in order to avoid a scandal within the Diocese. Finn has conceded he didn't heed warnings about Ratigan from a concerned school principal early enough.

The Diocese of Kansas City-St. Joseph's communication director, Rebecca Summers, released a statement on Thursday regarding the lawsuit , which read in part:

"First and foremost, the diocese is deeply concerned for the well-being of this child and her family. We urge anyone within the community who has information about the actions of Shawn Ratigan to make a confidential report to Detective Maggie McGuire, at (816) 584-6633."

http://www.kshb.com/dpp/news/local_news/civil-lawsuit-launched-against-diocese%2C-bishop-and-priest#ixzz25zIjCftw


Quote:
As you pointed out the church did take steps at once to have the situation investigated and in the mean time to protested children...

They made no attempt to monitor the priest's behavior after the Bishop told him not to have contact with children. But, more importantly, the Bishop should not have tried to deal with the situation on his own by just trying to restrict the priest--he was mandated to report what he knew to the police.
Quote:
That one of the problems with trying to turn citizens into unpaid police informers...

The Bishop violated canon law as well as civil law by not notifying the police. The Church wants their Bishops to notify the police, and not deal with these matters on their own. This Bishop failed in his obligations under canon law as well as civil law.
Quote:
that does not mean that they knew of any child that had been harm that they needed to do a report over

The Bishop knew those were photos of real children. The communications director for the Diocese had told him to contact the police. He just failed to act. The clergyman who finally did contact the authorities about the priest had to wait until the Bishop was out of town before he could do that.

Stop trying to defend pedophiles, child abusers, and child pornographers, and those who try to shield them from the law, you sociopath. Even the Church isn't doing that. They want their mandated reporters to abide by their reponsibilities, and they don't want their priests abusing children. That's where they part company with a creep like you.





firefly
 
  1  
Sun 9 Sep, 2012 10:53 am
Quote:
Rev. Shawn Ratigan: Kansas City priest pleads guilty to child porn charges
08/02/2012
By: Associated Press

A Kansas City priest has pleaded guilty to federal child pornography counts in a case that led to misdemeanor criminal charges against his bishop and diocese.

The Rev. Shawn Ratigan on Thursday pleaded guilty to five counts of producing and attempting to produce child pornography. Eight other counts were dismissed.

No sentencing date has been set, but guidelines indicate he'll spend at least 15 years in prison.

In December 2010 a technician found "troubling images" of children on Ratigan's laptop computer. The photos weren't turned over to police until May 2011, after Ratigan violated orders from Bishop Robert Finn to stay away from children.
http://www.abcactionnews.com/dpp/news/national/rev-shawn-ratigan-kansas-city-priest-pleads-guilty-to-child-porn-charges#ixzz25zVpZxPH


So the Diocese, and the Bishop, knew about those images on the priest's laptop for 5 months, and, in the end, it was not the Bishop who turned the priest into the police. The Bishop violated both canon law and civil law by his failure to report this matter to the police as soon as he became aware of the images. And, in doing that, he exposed the Diocese, as well as himself, to both criminal and civil liability.

In return for the conviction against the Bishop, the prosecution is not going to pursue criminal misdemeanor charges against the Diocese, but the Diocese remains civilly liable for the Bishop's failure to act.

This Bishop was too busy trying to protect his priests rather than protect children. But, both canon and civil law required him to act to protect children, and not the priest. He failed to do that, and that's why he was convicted. And his failure exposed the Church to another disgraceful scandal regarding how it handles such matters, as well possible liability in civil suits. He hurt his own Church by his irresponsible behavior.
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OmSigDAVID
 
  1  
Sun 9 Sep, 2012 10:53 am
@firefly,
BillRM wrote:
No child had been shown to had been abuse by him and no showing that he produce any of those pictures himself so once more what to report other then some pictures that might had been child porn or not child porn
Firefly wrote:
You are as dumb as a rock.

The priest has already pleaded guilty to production of child pornography.
There is no question about the pictures being child pornography.
They were child pornography. And the priest took the photos himself.

Producing child pornography is child abuse you idiot.
People have pled "guilty" to crimes
which were later proven (sometimes by DNA)
to have been absolutely IMPOSSIBLE for those people to have committed. That is old news.

For years, decades & centuries, the police have been besieged
by many fellows from many directions who insist upon confessing to well publicised crimes.




POINT OF INFORMATION, if I may, Firefly:
IF those children did not KNOW of the existence
of that photography of their fully clothed crotches,
then by what reasoning have u asserted that it is "child abuse".
Will u explain that for us, please??

On another point, according to what definition
were those pictures "pornography" if all depicted people
were fully clothed and not involved in sexual conduct??

I 'd like to know and to understand that, Firefly.
I look forward to your enlightenment.





David

BillRM
 
  1  
Sun 9 Sep, 2012 11:06 am
@firefly,
Sorry dear once more where is the knowledge of the church that he abuse any child directly instead of 'just' owing child porn in fact where is the knowledge that pictures of fully cloths children repeat fully cloths children that the church knew about was child porn in the first place.

They did get a legal opinion of their lawyers that such materials was not in fact not child porn along with a police officer opinion.

Once more your case is weak that the church not the priest acted in any improper manner in this case.
firefly
 
  1  
Sun 9 Sep, 2012 11:22 am
@OmSigDAVID,
Quote:
On another point, according to what definition of pornografy
were those pictures "pornography" if all depicted people
were fully clothed and not involved in sexual conduct

They were child pornography under the federal definition of child pornography. I do not believe the defense attorney for the priest disputed whether they were, in fact, child porn.
Child pornography does not have to show children engaging in sexual conduct. Sexually explicit photos of children's genitalia can be child porn

Who said the images were all of fully clothed children's crotches? I don't believe they were. At least one photo was an image of an infant's crotch without a diaper. And the priest had hundreds of images--some might have been more sexually explicit than others.
And it's child abuse, and sexual exploitation of a child, to take such photos, even if the child doesn't know the photo is being taken or that it exists. What the child knows does not alter the criminal behavior of the person who takes the photo. And it likely will not alter this priest's liability in civil suits either.

Go argue with the federal government, and not with me, if you don't agree with the child pornography statutes or how they are prosecuted.

The defense is not disputing the indictment or conviction of the priest on the production and possession of child pornography charges. The case has already been adjudicated, only sentencing remains.
 

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