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Iran - What Nuclear Weapons Program?

 
 
edgarblythe
 
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Reply Fri 24 Feb, 2012 10:21 pm
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Fri 24 Feb, 2012 10:33 pm
@edgarblythe,
Iran is playing a foolish game of hide and seek. Even if they develop nuclear weapons, who are they going to use it against? Their country will be demolished if they do.

They're suffering from sanctions for no good reason; their people suffer. Foolish.
MontereyJack
 
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Reply Sat 25 Feb, 2012 12:18 am
WHAT NUCLEAR WEAPONS PROGRAM?

Exactly.

NY Times today:

Quote:
U.S. Agencies See No Move by Iran to Build a Bomb
By JAMES RISEN and MARK MAZZETTI
Published: February 24, 2012
WASHINGTON — Even as the United Nations’ nuclear watchdog said in a new report Friday that Iran had accelerated its uranium enrichment program, American intelligence analysts continue to believe that there is no hard evidence that Iran has decided to build a nuclear bomb.

Recent assessments by American spy agencies are broadly consistent with a 2007 intelligence finding that concluded that Iran had abandoned its nuclear weapons program years earlier, according to current and former American officials. The officials said that assessment was largely reaffirmed in a 2010 National Intelligence Estimate, and that it remains the consensus view of America’s 16 intelligence agencies.

At the center of the debate is the murky question of the ultimate ambitions of the leaders in Tehran. There is no dispute among American, Israeli and European intelligence officials that Iran has been enriching nuclear fuel and developing some necessary infrastructure to become a nuclear power. But the Central Intelligence Agency and other intelligence agencies believe that Iran has yet to decide whether to resume a parallel program to design a nuclear warhead — a program they believe was essentially halted in 2003 and which would be necessary for Iran to build a nuclear bomb. Iranian officials maintain that their nuclear program is for civilian purposes.



No apparent nuclear weapons program in the past nine years. Remember "Saddam's regime clearly possesses stockpiles of weapons of mass destruction and could bomb New York on 45 minutes' notice"? Remember how that "iron-clad evidence" turned out?
edgarblythe
 
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Reply Sat 25 Feb, 2012 07:59 am
Panic over Iran nuclear threat outdated'
www.youtube.com
The United States' intelligence community has ruled out allegations that Iran is creating a nuclear bomb. The Los Angeles Times reports that 16 separate agencies have all reached the same conclusion. Sasan Fayaz-manesh, from California State University, says similar intelligence reports a few years .....
roger
 
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Reply Sat 25 Feb, 2012 11:59 am
@edgarblythe,
Un huh. They need nuclear power because they don't have any oil.
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MontereyJack
 
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Reply Sat 25 Feb, 2012 12:08 pm
They need nuclear power because it was estimated five or six years ago that domestic Iranian consumption of petroleum was growing so fast that within ten years there would be no oil left over for export, and oil constitutes the vast majority of their foreign trade. , and that ten year period only has a couple of years to run. So yes, ironically, yoiu're right, Roger.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sat 25 Feb, 2012 12:53 pm
@MontereyJack,
By not allowing nuclear inspectors into their country, they're defeating their own self-interest by the international sanctions against their own country and people. Fuel problems are creating unnecessary hardship for - nothing, if they are not developing uranium for weapons!

Sort of like North Korea, where most of their people are starving to death.
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edgarblythe
 
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Reply Sat 25 Feb, 2012 12:55 pm
It was fine for them to seek nuclear power when the Shah was fab.
Irishk
 
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Reply Sat 25 Feb, 2012 01:40 pm
@edgarblythe,
That's what the professor in your youtube thinks, too. It's all about regime change...not so much about a nuclear Iran.
JTT
 
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Reply Sat 25 Feb, 2012 01:55 pm
@Setanta,
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I'd say we've got just as much chance of getting reliable intelligence from Iran as we do from North Korea.


Or the US.
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JTT
 
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Reply Sat 25 Feb, 2012 02:01 pm
@georgeob1,
Geeze, imagine that, that renowned American hypocrisy pours forth from the gobbies of Gob.

The Iranians have as much right as anyone on the planet to pursue all the science they please.

Consider that it's the US that always seeks to kaibosh world treaties to ban this and that evil weapon.
JTT
 
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Reply Sat 25 Feb, 2012 02:15 pm
@edgarblythe,
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I'm tired of endless wars, with no payoff in sight.


You're just in the wrong demographic, Ed. There have been huge payoffs since the US began. You think these guys who make these fortunes would continue all this slaughter if there wasn't a profit to be had.

[Well okay, I'm sure there is a small segment of sadists who do it out of pleasure.]

Quote:
I spent 33 years and four months in active military service and during that period I spent most of my time as a high class muscle man for Big Business, for Wall Street and the bankers. In short, I was a racketeer, a gangster for capitalism. I helped make Mexico and especially Tampico safe for American oil interests in 1914. I helped make Haiti and Cuba a decent place for the National City Bank boys to collect revenues in. I helped in the raping of half a dozen Central American republics for the benefit of Wall Street. I helped purify Nicaragua for the International Banking House of Brown Brothers in 1902-1912. I brought light to the Dominican Republic for the American sugar interests in 1916. I helped make Honduras right for the American fruit companies in 1903. In China in 1927 I helped see to it that Standard Oil went on its way unmolested. Looking back on it, I might have given Al Capone a few hints. The best he could do was to operate his racket in three districts. I operated on three continents.[13]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smedley_Butler
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JTT
 
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Reply Sat 25 Feb, 2012 02:42 pm
@edgarblythe,
Quote:
Al-CIAda? 'US in bed with Al-Qaeda to oust Assad'


Been there, done that, innumerable times.

I thought that a democracy was not supposed to have illegal secret police groups. Y'all just sit there complacent as Gob1/Finn while these criminals prey on innocents the world over.

And then y'all go thru another big round of back patting over what a great country the USA is, what a grand noble experiment it has been.
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High Seas
 
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Reply Sat 25 Feb, 2012 03:01 pm
@Irishk,
I don't know about the professor in any video but "regime change" is a chimera. The Iranian people overwhelmingly support the nuclear program. Furthermore none of their neighbors worries about them getting a few nukes - what are they going to do with them? Pakistan has 200, Israel has even more.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sat 25 Feb, 2012 03:16 pm
@High Seas,
You wrote,
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Furthermore none of their neighbors worries about them getting a few nukes - what are they going to do with them?


That's the bottom line; why worry when their neighbors aren't worried? Developing missiles that can travel half way around the world is probably a bigger challenge then making a nuclear bomb.

If you want to talk about a "suitcase" size bomb, I'd like to know how that's possible? I have worked with nuclear weapons, and the necessary hardware wouldn't fit in any suitcase.

Has anyone gone through airport security? Do you own a tablet or laptop?
Try getting through security without taking it out of your bag.

You have a better chance winning the lottery.
JTT
 
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Reply Sat 25 Feb, 2012 03:19 pm
@High Seas,
What's with this new found interest in honesty, HS? You've always struck me as a Finn or a Gob in a short skirt.
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oralloy
 
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Reply Sun 26 Feb, 2012 12:22 am
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:
Iran is playing a foolish game of hide and seek. Even if they develop nuclear weapons, who are they going to use it against? Their country will be demolished if they do.

They're suffering from sanctions for no good reason; their people suffer. Foolish.


Their actions would indeed be foolish if they were blocking inspections for no reason.

Odds are they are hiding an illegal nuclear weapons program however.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sun 26 Feb, 2012 12:27 am
@oralloy,
You wrote,
Quote:
Odds are they are hiding an illegal nuclear weapons program however.


That's also foolish. Who are they going to use it against?
oralloy
 
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Reply Sun 26 Feb, 2012 12:34 am
@MontereyJack,
MontereyJack wrote:
WHAT NUCLEAR WEAPONS PROGRAM?

Exactly.

NY Times today:

Quote:
U.S. Agencies See No Move by Iran to Build a Bomb
By JAMES RISEN and MARK MAZZETTI
Published: February 24, 2012
WASHINGTON — Even as the United Nations’ nuclear watchdog said in a new report Friday that Iran had accelerated its uranium enrichment program, American intelligence analysts continue to believe that there is no hard evidence that Iran has decided to build a nuclear bomb.

Recent assessments by American spy agencies are broadly consistent with a 2007 intelligence finding that concluded that Iran had abandoned its nuclear weapons program years earlier, according to current and former American officials. The officials said that assessment was largely reaffirmed in a 2010 National Intelligence Estimate, and that it remains the consensus view of America’s 16 intelligence agencies.

At the center of the debate is the murky question of the ultimate ambitions of the leaders in Tehran. There is no dispute among American, Israeli and European intelligence officials that Iran has been enriching nuclear fuel and developing some necessary infrastructure to become a nuclear power. But the Central Intelligence Agency and other intelligence agencies believe that Iran has yet to decide whether to resume a parallel program to design a nuclear warhead — a program they believe was essentially halted in 2003 and which would be necessary for Iran to build a nuclear bomb. Iranian officials maintain that their nuclear program is for civilian purposes.


It should be noted that "build a nuclear bomb" is being defined unusually narrowly.

While Iran may not be snapping together all the parts of an A-bomb to form a working device, they sure are building up all the specific infrastructure they'd need to be able to do so, and they are illegally keeping IAEA inspectors from checking out their sites.



MontereyJack wrote:
No apparent nuclear weapons program in the past nine years.


That depends on how you define a nuclear weapons program.

Building up all the infrastructure you'd need to make a nuke seems pretty ominous.

Also, while it may not be apparent that they are assembling components into a working device, that may well just be because of the blocking of inspectors.



MontereyJack wrote:
Remember "Saddam's regime clearly possesses stockpiles of weapons of mass destruction and could bomb New York on 45 minutes' notice"? Remember how that "iron-clad evidence" turned out?


Nonsense. No one said anything about bombing New York in 45 minutes

And there were in fact a number of nerve gas shells found in Iraq.
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oralloy
 
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Reply Sun 26 Feb, 2012 12:38 am
@edgarblythe,
edgarblythe wrote:
Panic over Iran nuclear threat outdated'
www.youtube.com
The United States' intelligence community has ruled out allegations that Iran is creating a nuclear bomb. The Los Angeles Times reports that 16 separate agencies have all reached the same conclusion. Sasan Fayaz-manesh, from California State University, says similar intelligence reports a few years .....


Nonsense. They've hardly ruled it out.

And they define "creating a nuclear bomb" unusually narrowly. All efforts to build up the infrastructure necessary to create a nuclear bomb do not count as "trying to create a nuclear bomb" under that definition.

Plus, they do not have the benefit of knowing what is going on at Iran's nuclear sites due to the illegal blocking of inspectors.
 

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