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Can Obama Lose? Will he be a one-term president?

 
 
BillRM
 
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Reply Fri 4 Nov, 2011 09:40 am
@gungasnake,
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Latest Rasmussen shows Bork (Obunga) losing to a "generic republican(TM)". That means that Donald or Daffy Duck, either one, would beat him badly and a Duck/Duck ticket would slaughter him


As Republicans had shown a impressed ability to come up with brain dead candidates with Cain being just the last example you better hope that the American people are as stupid as you and your polls claims they are.
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Fri 4 Nov, 2011 09:41 am
@gungasnake,
gungasnake wrote:

Latest Rasmussen shows Bork (Obunga) losing to a "generic republican(TM)". That means that Donald or Daffy Duck, either one, would beat him badly and a Duck/Duck ticket would slaughter him.


How about against your ACTUAL candidates?

Right.

Cycloptichorn
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Questioner
 
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Reply Fri 4 Nov, 2011 09:44 am
@BillRM,
The only fools here are the ones that think we can remain a land of freedom when we allow a select few in our government to determine who lives and dies at whim. You unknowingly make a mockery of all of the families that have lost loved ones in service (myself included) defending our freedom and liberty when you laud and praise the removal of that freedom and liberty in such a way.

Am I glad that Osama is dead? Yes. Am I glad that the President and military can pre-meditate the elimination of any individual they desire without any sort of due-process? No. That scares the **** out of me. It should scare the **** out of you but you're too busy hopping on the DEATH TO THE INFIDELS bandwagon to see what it can mean down the road.

I don't want soldiers to die. I don't want any innocents to die. Yes, SOME people need to be taken out for the simple fact that they pose a very real and immediate threat to us and the security of those soldiers and innocents, and there's no feasible way for us to extradite them. But what I'm willing to admit that you aren't is that once we start going down that road we can end up in some very bad places.

Also, please don't presume that you know jack-**** about how I feel and what I know. You only point out your own ignorance and arrogance when you do so.
Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Fri 4 Nov, 2011 09:52 am
@Questioner,
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Am I glad that Osama is dead? Yes. Am I glad that the President and military can pre-meditate the elimination of any individual they desire without any sort of due-process? No. That scares the **** out of me.


You're kidding yourself if you don't think they've always had the ABILITY to do so. And that we haven't done so many times in the past.

Quote:
I don't want soldiers to die. I don't want any innocents to die. Yes, SOME people need to be taken out for the simple fact that they pose a very real and immediate threat to us and the security of those soldiers and innocents, and there's no feasible way for us to extradite them. But what I'm willing to admit that you aren't is that once we start going down that road we can end up in some very bad places.


I agree with this and I think most people do to. The big difference here is that OBL is generally considered to be one of those people who 'need to be taken out.'

Cycloptichorn
BillRM
 
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Reply Fri 4 Nov, 2011 10:19 am
@Questioner,
My own father live under a death sentence for over a year during WW2 as if he was in danger of falling into enemies hands at the forward base he was at the orders was for his officers was to kill him rather then allow him to do so due to the military hardware secrets he had in his head.

Sorry but the power to do so come with arm conflicts and my father would have been kill without any due process.

Due process and the battlefields conditions do not exist together. Hell officers had always been empowered to kill men showing cowardice in front of the enemy for example.

Stop being in arm conflict with the US would be the first step to have due process come into place.
firefly
 
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Reply Fri 4 Nov, 2011 12:04 pm
@gungasnake,
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Latest Rasmussen shows Bork (Obunga) losing to a "generic republican(TM)".

But, other recent polls show him leading all the Republican candidates...
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Quinnipiac poll: Obama, Democrats gaining ground
By Lynda Waddington | 11.02.11 |

Obama has made gains against his potential GOP rivals:

•47 – 42 percent over Mitt Romney, compared to a 46 – 42 percent Romney lead October 5;
•52 – 36 percent over Rick Perry, up from a 45 – 44 percent tie last month;
•50 – 40 percent over Herman Cain, who was not included in a matchup last month;
•52 – 37 percent over Newt Gingrich, who was not matched last month...

“Obama seems to be improving in voters’ eyes almost across-the-board,” Peter Brown, assistant director of the Quinnipiac University Polling Institute, said in a statement. “He scores big gains among the groups with whom he has had the most problems – whites and men. Women also shift from a five-point negative to a four-point positive.

“Whether this is a blip, perhaps because of the death of Moammar Gadhafi and the slight improvement in some of the economic numbers, or the beginning of a sustained upward move in his popularity isn’t clear and won’t be for some time. Nevertheless, the movement allows the White House a sigh of relief, for the president’s approval had been stuck in the low 40s for some time and even a temporary upward move is good news for the folks at 1600 Pennsylvania Ave.”
http://iowaindependent.com/63199/quinnipiac-poll-obama-democrats-gaining-ground
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ehBeth
 
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Reply Fri 4 Nov, 2011 12:15 pm
@Cycloptichorn,
Cycloptichorn wrote:

You're kidding yourself if you don't think they've always had the ABILITY to do so. And that we haven't done so many times in the past.


thinking that adds a plus to Obama's scorecard is likely a mistake.
failures art
 
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Reply Fri 4 Nov, 2011 12:56 pm
Can he lose? Yes he can.

Will he be a one-timer? Too soon to say. The variables are larger than the two opponents (the GOP one TBD). I think the economy is certainly a factor, but I think it's over emphasized right now. The emphasis is more a part about the general media narrative on the economy. We're being TOLD that it's important, and so many believe it is. I won't say it's unimportant, but come 6 months from now we could well be talking about something else.

The lines of discussion on the performance of the economy versus the employment rate can cut both ways. If Obama decides to adopt the more populist message, it could be validating (i.e. - good economic markets, no jobs, a failure of private industry greed, not government).

Still watching. I feel that the GOP lacks any real image. In other words, even if you want Obama out, no real vision of what a GOP admin looks like has really been pushed forth. Anti-Obama is not enough. We get it. The GOP's hardest task is going to be to compete with Obama's current trajectory in a way that people understand and relate to.

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BillRM
 
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Reply Fri 4 Nov, 2011 01:06 pm
@failures art,
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We get it. The GOP's hardest task is going to be to compete with Obama's current trajectory in a way that people understand and relate to.


Good luck with the crazies in charge of the GOP in doing that.
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TheLeapist
 
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Reply Fri 4 Nov, 2011 01:10 pm
@BillRM,
Just curious. You seem to obviously be an american. Why do you so frequently refrain from conjugating? It makes your posts difficult to read and you come across as either unintelligent or typing so quickly to get the first things popping in your head onto the computer that you're not stopping to think and really formulating properly what you're trying to say. Both of which, clearly, aren't things you want to portray.

I'm not saying either of those things are true. I especially doubt you're that unintelligent. It just comes across like that.
BillRM
 
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Reply Fri 4 Nov, 2011 01:12 pm
@TheLeapist,
See five hundreds or so posts on the subject on this website.
Questioner
 
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Reply Fri 4 Nov, 2011 01:33 pm
@failures art,
failures art wrote:

The GOP's hardest task is going to be to compete with Obama's current trajectory in a way that people understand and relate to.


The GOP's hardest task is going to be fielding a candidate that 1) has experience in office 2) can string a noun, verb, and object together coherently in a single sentence and 3) prove that they're not just a haircut with eyes and legs.

The dog and pony show they're trotting out right now is less than inspiring.
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Questioner
 
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Reply Fri 4 Nov, 2011 01:44 pm
@Cycloptichorn,
Cycloptichorn wrote:

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Am I glad that Osama is dead? Yes. Am I glad that the President and military can pre-meditate the elimination of any individual they desire without any sort of due-process? No. That scares the **** out of me.


You're kidding yourself if you don't think they've always had the ABILITY to do so. And that we haven't done so many times in the past.


Never said they hadn't been.

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Quote:
I don't want soldiers to die. I don't want any innocents to die. Yes, SOME people need to be taken out for the simple fact that they pose a very real and immediate threat to us and the security of those soldiers and innocents, and there's no feasible way for us to extradite them. But what I'm willing to admit that you aren't is that once we start going down that road we can end up in some very bad places.


I agree with this and I think most people do to. The big difference here is that OBL is generally considered to be one of those people who 'need to be taken out.'

Cycloptichorn


Agreed, but he also wasn't an American citizen. Anwar al-Awlaki was.
BillRM
 
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Reply Fri 4 Nov, 2011 01:52 pm
@Questioner,
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Agreed, but he also wasn't an American citizen. Anwar al-Awlaki was.


An the fact that he had citizenship means that he should be free to wage war against his fellow citizens and do such things as plotting the bringing down of a jet liner over Detroit on Christmas day.

Once more the word fool keep coming up.

Let see we should not had fire that missile but perhaps send in enough military force to perhaps being able to capture him without too must lost of life on all sides?

Of course if he had gotten away what the hell as why be concern over the future attacks he surely would had been an important part in launching.
Questioner
 
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Reply Fri 4 Nov, 2011 02:05 pm
@BillRM,
I see you've entered 'broken record' mode. Thanks for passing by.
BillRM
 
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Reply Fri 4 Nov, 2011 02:14 pm
@Questioner,
You damn right I am in broken mode as I had never read anywhere in the constitution that having citizenship grant you special rights to wage illegal war against the US in order to murder hundreds or thousands of your fellow citizens.

Or that the government had some special duty to place large numbers of soldiers at risk in order to capture instead of kill an arm terrorist if he happen to had US citizenship.


Questioner
 
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Reply Fri 4 Nov, 2011 02:37 pm
@BillRM,
Again, as per usual, you're missing the point and going off on an emotion-fueled tangent that's not hitting the point I was making.

Trust me, I'm losing no sleep tonight that the bastard is dead. Not the point.
Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Fri 4 Nov, 2011 02:38 pm
@ehBeth,
ehBeth wrote:

Cycloptichorn wrote:

You're kidding yourself if you don't think they've always had the ABILITY to do so. And that we haven't done so many times in the past.


thinking that adds a plus to Obama's scorecard is likely a mistake.


Well, I think that surveys have shown that the vast majority of Americans approve of it, and my personal experience has been that nobody had much of a problem with it. (In regards to Bin Laden, not the other dude)

Cycloptichorn
BillRM
 
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Reply Fri 4 Nov, 2011 02:56 pm
@Cycloptichorn,
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In regards to Bin Laden, not the other dude)


You mean the other dude who was behind trying to bring down a jet liner over Detroit on Christmas day in 2009?

People other then a few fools here and there are crying about him getting a hell fire missile up his ass because he had citizenship?
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BillRM
 
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Reply Fri 4 Nov, 2011 02:59 pm
@Questioner,
The point is the military and the government acted 100 percent correctly in killing a known and proven dangerous arm terrorist no matter where he was born.
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