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Herman Cain accused of 'sexually suggestive behaviour'

 
 
Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Tue 1 Nov, 2011 12:34 pm
@Cycloptichorn,
Then he wouldn't be leading in the polls now.
Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Tue 1 Nov, 2011 12:40 pm
@Finn dAbuzz,
Finn dAbuzz wrote:

Then he wouldn't be leading in the polls now.


C'mon, that's also BS - he's leading in the polls because he makes sounds the crazies in your party like, and because Perry and Mitt are both disasters waiting to happen (and everyone knows it).

At various points Bachmann and Trump were leading the polls for your bunch too - and it's not because people think they would have done a great job. It's flailing.

Cycloptichorn
sozobe
 
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Reply Tue 1 Nov, 2011 12:55 pm
@Cycloptichorn,
I think it's more targeted than that. Mitt Romney is the clear front-runner -- he doesn't really have any credible competition. Perry seemed to maybe be credible (to some people) for about a week, but that didn't last.

So there has been this ongoing cycle of "not Romney", which as it claims more victims becomes "none of the above" in addition to just "not Romney."

Once one of the not-Romneys start to actually be treated like a front-runner, they're supplanted by a new not-Romney/ none-of-the-above.

Time is running short for a credible new not-Romney though.

I'm not sure if Cain will fall (and this "scandal" will be blamed, though Trump, Bachmann, Perry et al didn't need any scandal), or if the lack of a new not-Romney will mean that people will dig in their heels.

Because of a lot of Republicans really, really don't like Romney.

Either way I think it's more about Romney than about who the current not-Romney happens to be.
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Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Tue 1 Nov, 2011 12:59 pm
@Cycloptichorn,
You're flailing.

No matter why something like 25% of polled Republicans like him, he's not hidden the fact that he is black. If race was a negative factor to the 25% they would not have indicated support for him. Unless of course you want to flail away with the theory that they only want to look like they don't have a problem with a black candidate.

Of course there's no way of knowing for certain if the remaining 75% of those polled did not have a problem with Cain's race.

Allen West won the House seat in the FL 22nd District which, at 75%, is whiter than the rest of the country

I suppose you can flail away and claim it was the democrats in District 22 who voted West in and those who didn't vote for him were Republican racists.

I doubt it will be Cain for reasons other than his skin color, but when a black conservative wins the presidency I suppose you'll flail around and come up with a reason why it doesn't mean that race doesn't matter to Republicans.

coluber2001
 
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Reply Tue 1 Nov, 2011 01:37 pm
Cain, another Republican "saint", bites the dust. Rick Perry--who is still a saint in Texas--is now considered a nut job in the rest of the country--even though most republicans agree with him. He just needed to keep his true feelings to himself and campaign as a saint and savior. Romney is left now, as a last resort to fall back on, and his moderation is taken as extreme by the reactionary republicans--or are all republicans reactionary?
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Tue 1 Nov, 2011 02:17 pm
@Finn dAbuzz,
Finn dAbuzz wrote:

You're flailing.

No matter why something like 25% of polled Republicans like him, he's not hidden the fact that he is black. If race was a negative factor to the 25% they would not have indicated support for him. Unless of course you want to flail away with the theory that they only want to look like they don't have a problem with a black candidate.

Of course there's no way of knowing for certain if the remaining 75% of those polled did not have a problem with Cain's race.

Allen West won the House seat in the FL 22nd District which, at 75%, is whiter than the rest of the country

I suppose you can flail away and claim it was the democrats in District 22 who voted West in and those who didn't vote for him were Republican racists.

I doubt it will be Cain for reasons other than his skin color, but when a black conservative wins the presidency I suppose you'll flail around and come up with a reason why it doesn't mean that race doesn't matter to Republicans.


Hey, go ahead and support or put forward whoever you like; it's nothing to me. Cain is a buffoon and I certainly don't worry about him for a second. But pointing out the 1 (out of 2 total - do you know who the other guy is, without looking it up?) member of your caucus who happens to be black doesn't really help your point much.

Maybe you could use the word 'flail' a few more times, that'll make your point... I certainly won't be holding my breath, for this nebulous 'Black Conservative' who is going to win the presidency, anytime soon.

Cycloptichorn
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Tue 1 Nov, 2011 03:17 pm
In news related to the thread topic,

One of the women who accused Cain is asking his old employer (the National Restaurant Assoc.) to release her from her confidentiality agreement, so she can tell her side of the story publicly. Which pretty much guarantees that this story will lurch on a few more days.

Cycloptichorn
BumbleBeeBoogie
 
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Reply Tue 1 Nov, 2011 03:25 pm
@Cycloptichorn,
Attorney: Cain accuser wants to tell her story
James V. Grimaldi - Washington Post
11/1/11

Lawyer Joel P. Bennett called on the National Restaurant Association to release the woman from her written promise not to talk about the allegations against Herman Cain.
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Tue 1 Nov, 2011 03:25 pm
Chait gets it.

Quote:
Everything Is Working Out for Herman Cain
11/1/11 at 11:45 AM

The question of whether the Herman Cain sexual harassment story will hurt his presidential campaign sort of misses the point that there is no Herman Cain presidential campaign. There are certain things you do when you run for president. You try to raise a lot of money. Cain is not doing that. If you can’t raise a lot of money, you campaign heavily in early primary states, trying to get some early success that can snowball into later primaries. Cain isn’t doing that, either. You hire a staff of political operatives. You at least pretend to know something about world affairs. You try to attract as many people as possible to your events. Cain, by contrast, frequently charges admission.

Cain is executing a business plan.
It’s an excellent plan. The plan involves Cain raising his profile as a conservative personality, which he can monetize through motivational speaking, book sales, talk shows, and other media. Cain’s selling point is that he’s a black conservative who can capitalize on the sense of white racial victimization that has mushroomed during the Obama era. Accordingly, Cain assures conservatives that they are not racist, as proven by their support for him. Indeed, it is the liberals who are racist, as evidenced by their opposition to Cain.

If Cain were campaigning to be president, the scandal would hurt him. Since he is instead campaigning to boost his profile, it will help him.

Cain is exploiting a loophole which allows a person to declare their candidacy for president, and then attract free media coverage and participate in nationally televised debates simply because the media can’t prove that they’re not really trying to win. The actual presidential candidates seem to understand this. That’s why they have spared him the vicious attacks that a putative front-runner might be expected to attract, and completely avoided jumping on the latest scandal. If they were worried about Cain winning the nomination, they would be using the issue to sow doubts about him with women and Republican elites concerned about electability.

Instead, the vacuum has been filled with right-wingers rallying to Cain’s defense. Here we have Cain pitted against the dread liberal media, targeting him for his race. Rush Limbaugh announces:

"What's next, folks? A cartoon on MSNBC showing Herman Cain with huge lips eating a watermelon? What are they gonna do next? No, Snerdley, I'm not kidding. The racial stereotypes that these people are using to go after Herman Cain, what is the one thing that it tells us? It tells us who the real racists are, yeah, but it tells us that Herman Cain is somebody. Something's going on out there. Herman Cain obviously is making some people nervous for this kind of thing to happen."

Cain is not actually making anybody nervous, save perhaps his female underlings. But before this week, the one element missing from Cain’s profile was persecution by the liberal media. In the minds of the most conservative Republicans — which is to say, Cain’s customers — the sexual harassment story proves his importance and his virtue.


http://nymag.com/daily/intel/2011/11/everything_is_working_out_for.html

Cycloptichorn
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revelette
 
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Reply Wed 2 Nov, 2011 07:27 am
If I was Cain I would either keep my story straight or at least stick to one version.

Even if all this is true, and it is a big deal if is true unless it is just misunderstandings, (seems like sometimes the least little thing can be construed as sexual harassment making it harder to prove real sexual harassment...) to my mind it don't make a difference in terms of his eligibility.

He don't really have a foreign policy and seemed proud to be ignorant in that regard. He seems to be prejudiced against Muslims overall and serving in his administration. His tax policy would have plunged the middle class further into poverty while taxing the states twice in sales tax and according to those who know, his math didn't even add up. He also seems silly to say the least with his ad commercials promoting smoking not to mention that sort of spooking smile at the end.
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Wed 2 Nov, 2011 09:37 am
Quote:
[Y]es [the Chinese are] a military threat. They’ve indicated that they’re trying to develop nuclear capability and they want to develop more aircraft carriers like we have. So yes, we have to consider them a military threat.


- Herman Cain, who apparently doesn't realize that China has had nukes for a long, long time.

Seriously, this guy is a joke, can we just get him off the stage already?

Cycloptichorn
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Setanta
 
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Reply Wed 2 Nov, 2011 09:54 am
But . . . but . . . the Yellow Peril . . . who will sound the clarion call to maintain the Arsenal of Democracy in the face of the yellow hordes?
RABEL222
 
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Reply Wed 2 Nov, 2011 10:06 am
@Setanta,
I guess its going to fall on your shoulders. I would like to help but I cant even empty my chamber pot any more.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Sat 5 Nov, 2011 10:46 pm
Quote:
Even what constitutes “sexual harassment” has crossed from common sense into farce. In the 1970s, my mother was a lawyer who faced the real thing as one of the very few women in a testosterone-fueled district attorney’s office. Today, women are at or near parity with men in most every field, and are even ahead of them among entrants to the professions.
Yet where sexual-harassment law once protected women from being forced to be the playthings of crude lechers, it’s been transformed to enforcing a prim puritanism that drains the humor and humanity from the workplace. People are afraid to make an innocent joke or compliment a co-worker’s appearance for fear of crossing some unspoken line that will bring down the wrath of the human-resources department.
The effect on our politics is just as bad. It seems the interlude in which sexual-harassment claims were disregarded as meaningless ended when Bill Clinton left office and such allegations once again became a useful cudgel to bash conservatives.
So instead of talking about policies that might rescue the country from the disaster of Obamanomics, we will spend days or weeks hearing nothing but how, at some unspecified time, some unspecified people accused Cain of some unspecified things and resolved their unspecified claims for unspecified amounts.
Maybe he did do something wrong, but we may never learn his side beyond generic press releases. Cain probably can’t even discuss it -- he himself might be bound by the nondisclosure agreements and to even offer his side of the story could breach them.
But don’t expect the media to explain that when they run footage of him repeating “no comment” to the barrage of questions he’s no doubt going to face. Cain is damned if he does, and damned if he doesn’t -- and the liberal media is going to damn well enjoy harassing him


Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/news/opinion/opedcolumnists/facts_are_optional_MGlu78c7RflvWKMH5eUuvM#ixzz1cthbcN3g


Hear! Hear!
BillRM
 
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Reply Sun 6 Nov, 2011 12:59 am
@hawkeye10,
I think Cain is lucky so far in having this matter in front of the public and therefore keeping people from taking note of his complete lack of knowledge and abilities to hold the office he is running for.

Let see his 999 tax plan even if we disregard that it seeming to had come from a computer game would complete the job of wiping out the middle class, he is so lacking in knowledge that he did not know that China is a fully functional nuclear power since 1964, and in interviews he is both for a woman right to make the decision to had an abortion and yet wish it to be illegal at the same time.

He even earned shocked and confused looks from the Fox network interviewers with his had it both ways stand on abortions.


hawkeye10
 
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Reply Sun 6 Nov, 2011 01:04 am
@BillRM,
Quote:
I think Cain is lucky so far in having this matter in front of the public and therefore keeping people from taking note of his complete lack of knowledge and abilities to hold the office he is running for.
He should be disqualified for the job for many reasons, but very old and undocumented claims that he be likes to teasingly banter with women is not one of them. These women who complain about Cain need to put on their big girl panties as most young women of today do, and not be so offended when men are men, from the sound of it. I have not heard a single claim made about Cain that should rate any response other than "so what is the problem?"
BillRM
 
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Reply Sun 6 Nov, 2011 01:20 am
@hawkeye10,
We do not know the details of the charges except from his camp at the moment at least number one and number two if I was him I would be happy to be able to play the victim and not get my crazy views and lack of knowledge look at.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Sun 6 Nov, 2011 01:26 am
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:

We do not know the details of the charges

====so what is the problem?

Wake me when you have a complaint that I should take seriously....saying that Cain was "inappropriate" ain't that.
BillRM
 
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Reply Sun 6 Nov, 2011 02:23 am
@hawkeye10,
I am not the one placing this in the news and I am not the one playing it for all it is worth as being a poor victim of silly charges.

hawkeye10
 
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Reply Sun 6 Nov, 2011 02:27 am
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:

I am not the one placing this in the news and I am not the one playing it for all it is worth as being a poor victim of silly charges.


The "you" was intended to be rhetorical, not personal...which brings up another subject...on the other thread are you going to answer Roberts question about what your native tongue is??
 

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