America making it harder to vote? WTH?

I find it funny that when I rented a carpet cleaning machine the other day they made me show ID for it yet you complain about having to show an ID to vote.

like I said touchy

Actually, there aren't many other countries where "voter fraud" is such a topic.

As for ACORN, the scandal at the 2008 election also involved Obama and his relationship with ACORN. ACORN itself was not convicted but several of their people in various states were. At least 18 former workers had admitted guilt or been convicted on varying charges of election fraud. The punishment ranged from probation to a few months in prison.

. . . it should focus on discouraging the growing segment of Stupid-Americans from casting ballots . . .

Actually, there aren't many other countries where "voter fraud" is such a topic.

Are you referring too both political parties or just the dems.

as you are unlikely to be a quality voter.

Are Americans given a tube of K-Y Jelly after they vote?

Sorry, but this bugs me every time I see it repeated. ACORN workers were never charged with election fraud. They were charged with voter registration fraud. They were accused, in many instances, of registering ineligible or non-existent voters (largely because they were paid per signature, so the more bogus signatures they collected, the more they got paid). Registering Mickey Mouse to vote is a whole lot different from stuffing ballot boxes or rigging electronic voting machines.

It's not uncommon for specific types of electoral fraud (i.e. voter registration fraud and ballot stuffing) to be referred to under the broader umbrella of election fraud or voter fraud.

In any case, it's not as if millions of Americans might say something to the effect of:

"Oh, those ACORN people were only guilty of voter registration fraud? And here I've been thinking they were guilty of election fraud! Where's my checkbook, this organization got shafted!"

So voter registration fraud is a relatively benign scam, because the only guys getting cheated are the ones who paid for the bogus registrations.

I guess those guys were just looking to incentivize voter registration and they made the harmless mistake of assuming that's what they and ACORN had in common, a desire to see more citizens enabled to exercise their precious right to vote.

Come to think of it, why does anyone think that someone would pay for bogus registrations? It's not like they can be put to use in committing election fraud.


On the general topic, I think there are many voters today who shouldn't be voting at all. The last congressional election is pretty solid evidence for that.

I know, do you believe the Republicans didn't take back the Senate too? What kind of a moron votes for Harry Reid?

I am, therefore, all in favor of the government discouraging people from voting. But if the government takes any steps in this direction, it should focus on discouraging the growing segment of Stupid-Americans from casting ballots, rather than putting hurdles only in the path of the poor and lazy.

Fine with me, you pretty much catch all the poor and lazy by disqualifying for stupidity.

Have you been saving your tubes or using them for extra-curricular activities, Hawk?

Joe: I am, therefore, all in favor of the government discouraging people from voting. But if the government takes any steps in this direction, it should focus on discouraging the growing segment of Stupid-Americans from casting ballots, rather than putting hurdles only in the path of the poor and lazy.

Finn: Fine with me, you pretty much catch all the poor and lazy by disqualifying for stupidity.