Two weeks into Occupy Wall Street protests, movement is at a crossroads

Once again, you prove your ignorance.
You are a proud member of the dumbmasses

The world will be a better place when the Occutards are just a distant bad memory and that time is coming fast.

Are you calling the TEA party ignorant?
Or just Dick Armey?

Parasite, why must you confirm your award winning ignoranus status with each and every post?

We get it already!

H2; they are angry, and they are peacably expressing their anger....

They are angry about what they see going on, no less than the tea party... In the one sense they think government should get out of its pocket and leave people alone... In the case of the resisters; they want government to do its job and earn its money, and protect us from the predations of Free enterprise... But; according to the principals upon which government was founded, =for enterprise to be free, it must be free of government restraint... And so there is no prior restraint no matter how often business abuses the people...

Property is always considered innocent umtil proven guilty, but it does not succeed because it sneeeks around in the night... Free enterprise sneaks around all the time, like a wolf incognito, selecting victims by chance, but bleeding all the people... Government is bound up and broke in the process of keeping peace between people, but because it never demands justice of all people, it makes certain law and punishment will always be needed and never in short supply...

H2... Admit that you are angry, and forget the usual target, and consider the source... A lot of people are angry and as likely to hit the correct reason for it as hit a fly buzzing their nose... We've lost the dream... For some to live as kings on a Leutenant's budget, they bought imported labor, and imported the third world at the same time... What is the cost of living in Mexico??? About what the cost of life is in Mexico -is the answer... Life is cheap, but because you are suporting life there your wages are forced down to the level of his- because he who works cheap and hard gets the job, and he is a long way from home without alternatives... So what will you do, but be angry at him, and because- IF you stand by the notion of free enterprise, then people must be free to pursue their own self interest... What if one man's self interest today becomes a whole society's resident alien tomorrow???...

Could we not anticipate it, and correct it in advance??? Are we not as intelligent beings able to perturb the future with our gaze??? Instead we let the future run all over us when we could have it eating out of our hands... We let some stupid, failed principal from the high middle ages run our lives, and honor it as if it were a God, and sacrifice to it the living and the dead, even our children, and finally our dreams- to see free enterprise free and ourselves slaves.... NO WONDER this people is angry...

Democracy would have forced freedom on us and it would have kept us free... What can we do but express ourselves at this point, one and all, Idiots and Saints, every point of view, and let the people decide for themselves and take the consequences of their actions... If you have power over your self you learn your limits... The government can no longer protect us from the consequences of outlaw capitalism... The profit margin is so slight that the rich can no longer support all the human garbage it has tossed aside, and you blame the garbage for being tossed aside, and they blame those who have tossed them... This society is a form of relationship so long as its cost does not exceed its benefit...

You have reached that point... Many have not because they have hope... When hope is gone anger and despair appear... It is not by choice that any healthy person feels such emotions... They would not live in hope if possibility could bear a good reality, and they would never seek out the council of anger and dispair...This people is feeling their society crashing down on their ears... They secretly damn the dead for getting them into this mess and many aloud rail against the living, the helpless, and the hopeless...The disease they entertain is immorality...

Morality which seems so much an obligation is really a dream... No people is enslaved except out of immorality, nor is any people empoverished but in the same fashion...What would we be if we everywhere was allowed the public plunder of every weak by every strong as today we allow the plunder of poor by rich???...

What would our world be like if we could stand by while one is beat to death because our principals denied prior restraint??? If at some point you do not anticipate injury where injury is obvious and ongoing, then you too would have blood on your hands...Some people in this country celebrate what they take as fact, that there are only goats and butchers, and it is better to be a butcher...

What usually happens is superficially more benign... It is when people suffering their own issues based in part upon choices they made out of misunderstanding and false hope find they cannot help others in like condition. and can barely feel for them... They can not feel for themselves, cannot acknowledge their own pain, cannot spare sympathy for themselves- let alone for others...

Such people though they want to be good will not dare risk being evil for a total good and moral society... The good ness of life and of moral living will not come to people who sit passively bemoaning their fate... Those who are willing to act, if they are in sufficient numbers can turn a coin from head to tails in a heartbeat...A demoralized people, wishing the evils they suffer upon others if not immoral will still never act, nor change anything, but mired in the gut of a dying society will die too, and never act...Morals are not passive... For what they give they add obligations....Change when it comes for the better will be driven...

http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/289806/san-francisco-tunes-and-drops-out-charles-c-w-cooke











When you lose San Francisco and an African-American blogger from Oakland, you've lost Middle America.

I never liked radical chic. I am sad that it still exists.

Try to remember, dear one; that you cannot believe anyone and you should not try... But you can believe everyone, and right or left, everyone knows the thing is not working even if they have not settled on a cure, or put their lives and trust in the hands of some Savior... Collectively, we must first agree that there is a problem, and I think we are there... Then we must define the nature of the problem, and we are a long way from that judging from all the finger pointing... Then we must decide upon some solution, or plan for one... There simply is no delicate way of going about revolution...Change and progress, and even, life depend upon revolution and to have these is like having a new marriage without sex...You have to have the will to get a little dirty...And, People with only misery to share never get married... All we have in common now is our misery, and those are better grounds for divorce than for consumation...

http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/mounted-police-converge-on-park-in-washington-dc-1-of-nations-remaining-occupy-sites/2012/02/04/gIQAxH82oQ_story.html

Protesters can stay 24 hours a day, and can have tents that conform to regulations. I guess I'm missing the point, if there's a point.

I think the point is when GOP Congressmen complain, organizations feel they have to do something or risk being investigated or considered unAmerican or some other foolishness.

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The point is that the DC police are bending over backward to strike a balance between existing law and public safety, and first amendment rights.

There is a very clear statute that makes it illegal to "camp out" in or on DC public spaces.

Citizens can erect tents but they must have at least one side open, and not contain any materials (sleeping bags etc) that suggest habitation.

If someone wants to stay in one of these open tents for 24 hours a day and perhaps sleep on a lawn chair, or the grass, they may.

The DC police were very clear with the Occupy folks in terms of how they intended to enforce the law, and they all had sufficent time to comply. Obviously a number refused to obey the law and the warning of the police and they were arrested as they should have been.

Incidently while the DC police were advising the Occupy crown of their intentions, they set up a delousing facility for the filthy buggers who had been camping out on public land. Lord knows how many of these folks availed themselves of this public utility.

The law allows three sided tents without camping equipment. If any of the Occupiers are robust enough to remain "living" in such conditions, they may do so.

The law is enforced and their free speech rights are not compromised.

An elegant solution.

Some laws should not be enforced, because they are bad laws, but your overall point is interesting.....and I would expand it to ask what about free speech gives political activists the right to take possession of property which belongs to the collective? I think all citizens have the right to make transient use of collective property, and to speak while on communal property if they wish, but there is nothing about free speech which requires using communal property so depriving activists of taking possession of this communal property does not deprive them of free speech.

This comes from me, one of the strongest free speech advocates at A2K.

I thought that H20man would enjoy a police arresting civilians video.

Not all of that is LEOs dealing with Occutards and unless you have been in their shoes or worked closely with them you don't have a clue the kind of disrespectful human garbage our police officers deal with day in and day out. An old fashioned beat down by the police is usually something the individual(s) deserves.

Thanks for the video!

Hey, watertard, anything new in your world? Now, if only those police officers can clear you out from this planet, it'll be a much saner place.

Have the police offended you in some way Ci?

The DC solution doesn't deprive anyone of free speech rights.

One doesn't need to live in the park to be heard in the park, and the act of squatting in the park has already been ruled to not be a protected expression of speech.