From the OWS.org forum.
Disorganization & Demands -7
Posted Oct. 6, 2011, 12:25 a.m. EST (9 minutes ago) by MichaelFerrer
PLEASE REPOST.
In the interest of teaching by example, I'm going to repost this every two hours until at least the concerns about forum organization are addressed. If you agree, please do the same; just modify the title with a new number. If 'we' can't get the organizers of the Occupation and the moderators of this site to respond to specific, legitimate concerns, how should we expect the government or financial power brokers to respond to a general expression of dissatisfaction? So, to begin with, and echoing many other posts, what this forum needs is:
BETTER ORGANIZATION - collapsible threads & sub-forums
BETTER MODERATION - get rid of the conspiracy theories and off-topic rants
Again, if you agree, REPOST until these concerns are addressed; just maintain the original title. If we have to create a wall of the same post to disable the utility of this site until the concerns are addressed, perhaps that could serve as a lesson about how to get things done.
Below is my original (re)post, with the two threads it is a response to posted first:
http://occupywallst.org/forum/proposed-list-of-demands-for-occupy-wall-st-moveme/
http://occupywallst.org/forum/a-disorganized-forum-reflects-a-disorganized-movem/
This is in response to (at least) two threads below. First, I'd like to wholly second the sentiments of 'A Disorganized Forum Reflects a Disorganized Movement.' There is no excuse, however generically postmodern or strainingly anti-authoritarian, for how poorly arranged this section of the site is, given its significance. Threads should be collapsible and sub-divided, topics should be organized into smaller sub-forums, off-topic threads, unfiltered rants and flame wars should be deleted.
Second, and as an illustration of the above, I didn't want my response to the highly damaging farce of the "Proposed List of Demands...!" post to languish at the bottom of 500 largely shouty, uncollapsed comments, so I'm reposting it here. Just as my above comments are also supportive of one dominant theme of the threads below, these are supportive of another. Both require what the public at large keeps asking for: some sort of definitive action/statements from the organizers (besides the 'standard gripes' statement the GA recently released). So, here goes:
Do a search for 'Occupy Wall Street demands,' and this ["Proposed List of Demands"] is the first substantive thing that comes up. It's easy enough to overlook that it's being made in a forum setting and take it for an "official statement" representing the 'movement', and to then dismiss the 'movement' as a whole on the back of that; and this is, of course, how right wing commentators (and many people not at all aligned with the right) are treating it, if only disingenuously.
If the organizers came up with a list of demands, rather than just the complaints listed in their recent statement, this would not have to suffice as the top result available to the public It is weakening, and will continue to weaken, the credibility of the 'movement' (which is not yet a movement, just the suggestion of one) that it hasn't presented any progressive strategy or list of specific, actionable demands. Meanwhile the failure to simply moderate comments like this one [Proposed List of Demands] with any sort of readily apparent disclaimer, the general indie-left ethic of uncritical and directionless inclusivity, reflect a broader unseriousness to how the Occupation is presenting its message. The festival vibe threatens to eclipse any substantive position on the part of the movement it presumably represents. It looks, in short, amateurish.
You've got the attention of the world. Don't just stand up there and dance and chant, march cheerfully back and forth around the city, pat each other on the back at General Assembly, slap a "REVOLUTION" sticker on the whole package and then balk and lay blame when the unconverted don't buy it. Don't blow this. The effect that that single post has had on your ability to be taken seriously should be an embarrassment and a wake-up call. Tighten up. Or else it's not just going to be the right-wing commentariat concluding that this kind of tinfoil hat flakery is the best you can come up with.