Is dating someone who's a different race okay?

We don 't ofen agree, Rocky,
but I think u got it right this time.
I 'd not wanna get locked in.





David

I somehow knew statistics were going to be involved in this.
There is a huge problem with statistics of this sort, they are not formed in a sterile laboratory setting.
There are many factors involved in the raising of children, poverty and access to education are just a couple. Statistics aren't very good at getting a clear picture.
I'll give you this much, the Ideal of marriage, certainly appears to give children a better chance. However, that doesn't take into account the many realities involved, for instance, the many other possible moral values of the parents. Marriage does not guarantee moral values, many are the thieves who came from good families.
You can't give a child something you don't have, marriage does nothing to change that.

Marriage is like lions: safe, as long as u don 't get too close.





David

( I just saw on Animal Planet where some [unarmed] kid got pulled in
under a fence, into a lion compound; that can bring bad luck.)

Look my friend there are many many factors that impact the success or lack of success in raising any given child by any given parent or parents.

Hell the factors are unless however it is still unwise and irresponsible to have a very important indicator of whether a child will have a successful upbringing or not set negative and then hoping that enough of the other factors will be favorable enough to overcome the fact that this child/children was born out of wedlock.

No one had stated and surely not I that a child or children can not be raised successfully in an out of wedlock situation it just far less likely to happen that way compare to a child born into a marriage.

To sum up if our 13 years old does grow up and decide to follow through with her idea of having her children out of wedlock she is setting the odds strongly against them compare to if she would find a partner who is willing to legally sign on to the task of raising a family with her.

I agree with you that statistics don't always give a clear picture, and anyone who would base major life decisions, like whether to marry, or have children, on some sort of statistical probabilities would be in a very sorry state regarding their level of maturity and social development.

People decide whether to marry, and whether to have children, on factors having absolutely nothing to do with statistics, and they generally base these decisions on factors which are operating in their lives at the time they are actually faced with making such decisions and not on the basis of some hypothetical discussions they engage in when they are still at the stage in their life where they have barely begun dating yet.

GracieGirl has stated her current views on these matters, and she may be a full lifetime away (another 13 years) from making any actual life-changing decisions about them. To obsessively badger her now about what she might do then, as BillRM is doing, is not only absurd, I think his complete lack of respect for her opinions, and her reasons for holding such opinions, is downright hostile. Gracie has heard what BillRM is saying, and she's let him know that, but, because she still doesn't agree with him, he's keeping up a rather relentless barrage of repetitive posts to continue to tell her she's wrong if she doesn't see things the way he does. Why is an adult man so obsessed with badgering a 13 year old female about the possible welfare of her, as yet, unborn children--why is he so concerned with the hypothetical future children of a female who has continued to remind BillRM that she herself is still a child?

And, no matter how many times GracieGirl has very nicely told him to knock it off, BillRM is still keeping it up, and I'm finding what he is doing downright distasteful at this point. This is not the helpful advice, or differing perspectives, that others have offered to Gracie, it is just out and out badgering being done by someone who is unable to admit, and accept, that others hold opinions different than his own, on very personal matters, and they are perfectly entitled to hold such opinions. It's GracieGirl who is displaying far more maturity than BillRM in this thread, particularly in the way she handles differing opinions, and, it's a shame that he's apparently not learning more from her.

Besides the issue being off-topic, it has become tedious to the OP and many others here. BillRM has demonstrated a marked consistency wherever he made commentary. And, after all, it has been said, "Consistency is the Hobgoblin of small minds." - Ralph Waldo Emerson

True that is has been SAID,
but without consistency, all that we know woud fall apart.





David

Strange my question is similar in it being why an adult woman is so set on patting a young girl on the back as being a free thinker for declaring that she would have any future children of her out of wedlock?

Second point biologcailly she is likely to now be able to or very shortly will be able to both concieve and carry to term a child.

So as must as we all hope she will not do any such thing this "child" is likely to be a fully functioning human female in the biology sense.

Given that fact her thinkings concerning the proper manner and conditions to bring new human life into the world is not an issue that with complete safety can wait for the future to address.

I 'm not strident nor passionate about it,
but I will observe that some young people
who were raised without fathers
seem to have had negative emotions about it.
I saw one lad on TV last nite whose father
was killed before his birth; he was almost in tears about it.

I 'm not sure of the REASON for that,
but it appears to be the case.





David

Do you think BillRM even remembers what the topic is?

OCD obliterates reality for some. He's not just consistent, he's more than slightly obsessed and compulsive in his postings--and, I agree with you, it is extremely tedious.

Let see is the tropic can a woman ever ask to be rape no that is not the topic is DSK a sex fiend no that is not the tropic or
the secret and strange sex life of Firefly.........................

Firefly I am way ahead of you as your one post attacking me only got one vote down and my funny and amusing (at least to me amusing) reply got all of four votes downs...

Of course maybe some of the members here view you as a modern day virgin Mary and therefore do not care for me using the words sex life secret or otherwise in connection with your name.

most of us object to the ugly dance you are doing all over Gracie's thread...

Hmm perhaps we should talk about this season dancing with the stars.........

we.

you and firefly?

gotta admit, that would be an improvement over your usual choice of subject matter....

I'd certainly appreciate them dancing off together.

They could discuss American dating rituals during rehearsal.

Lord Firefly and me together on dancing with the stars..........

How was he not consistent, Firefly??




I guess I 've been guilty of that in some of my posts qua the right to self defense.





David

If you want that creep, you waltz off with him.

On the OTHER hand (concerning one-parent families),
altho I woud have imagined that a mother is naturally
more necessary for a child's development than a father:
I have known a father and son family in Florida
for 11 years. The father is a small businessman
and a very devoted, kind, loving father.
His son is about 17.

I asked about the missing mother; he said that she was
in prison for drug related offenses. I 'd have imagined
that a missing mother woud be a horrible thing
for him to have grown up without, but the boy
did not feel that way, to my surprize.

Last year, he got together with his mother,
who had been released from prison. He was cold
in his emotions toward her and he told me of his indifference.
I was very, very surprized.

Presumably, that is because I had a very good mother.
I must have projected that onto him, without being aware of it.





David